Re: [Freesurfer] Re: 'Max' in sig.cluster.summary

2009-06-04 Thread Doug Greve
The sig.mgh is the input that creates the sig.cluster.mgh (and the summary table). doug On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Judith Segall wrote: Doug. Again, I am only asking about the sig.cluster.summary. This was a thickness study, where monte-carlo simulations where used to correct for multiple compariso

Re: [Freesurfer] Re: 'Max' in sig.cluster.summary

2009-06-04 Thread Judith Segall
Doug. Again, I am only asking about the sig.cluster.summary. This was a thickness study, where monte-carlo simulations where used to correct for multiple comparisons. Why would the *max in column 2 of the sig.cluster.summary* be derived from the sig.mgh and not the sig.cluster.mgh? Since, this r

Re: [Freesurfer] Re: 'Max' in sig.cluster.summary

2009-06-04 Thread Douglas N Greve
The Max is derived from the sig.mgh, not the sig.cluster.mgh. When you load the FSGD and look at the scatter plot, the y-axis will be the thickness value (assuming you're doing a thickness study:). doug Judith Segall wrote: Doug and freesufer list. When I load the sig map in tksurfer i k

Re: [Freesurfer] Re: 'Max' in sig.cluster.summary

2009-06-04 Thread Judith Segall
Doug and freesufer list. When I load the sig map in tksurfer i know that the CWP is displayed as the -log(10)p; however, I am not asking about visualization or the CWP. The newest version of the wiki does a great job in explaining the p values. I am only asking about the sig.cluster.summary repo

Re: [Freesurfer] Re: 'Max' in sig.cluster.summary

2009-06-04 Thread Douglas N Greve
The Max is somewhat unrelated to the CWP. The Max is the vertex-wise maximum and is bounded below by the vertex-wise threshold. The CWP (cluster-wise p-value) which is derived from the size of the cluster, the smoothness, and the size of the search space. It is not necessary for the CWP to be

Re: [Freesurfer] Re: 'Max' in sig.cluster.summary

2009-06-04 Thread Douglas N Greve
It is the maximum vertex-wise -log10(p) found in the cluster. Why do you think otherwise? You should be able to load the sig map into tksurfer and go to that vertex to find out. doug Judith Segall wrote: Thanks, for you responses Doug and Pratap. But, both of your responses need more clarific

Re: [Freesurfer] Re: 'Max' in sig.cluster.summary

2009-06-04 Thread Siddharth Srivastava
The max is the -log10(p), bounded below by -log10(CWP) for positive correlations Hence with an -log10(CWP) of 4, the Max will be greater than 4, and will specify the maximum -log10(p) value in that cluster, occuring at VtxMax Is this right for -log10(p) kind if input? This is how i have been inte

Re: [Freesurfer] Re: 'Max' in sig.cluster.summary

2009-06-04 Thread Judith Segall
Thanks, for you responses Doug and Pratap. But, both of your responses need more clarification, because I believe that we are not all referring to the same 'max'. Doug: I understand that when I display the sig.cluster.mgh that the a CWP value of 0.0001 would be displayed as a 4 by the color bar

Re: [Freesurfer] Re: 'Max' in sig.cluster.summary

2009-06-04 Thread Douglas N Greve
It will be whatever you used as input. In this case, it is the -log10(p) value of the maximum in the cluster (not the thickness value). doug Pratap Kunwar wrote: Hi Judith, Yes thickness. The MAX indicates the maximum -log10(pvalue) in that cluster. Hi all. After looking over our monte-c

Re: [Freesurfer] Re: 'Max' in sig.cluster.summary

2009-06-03 Thread Pratap Kunwar
Hi Judith, Yes thickness. The MAX indicates the maximum -log10(pvalue) in that cluster. > Hi all. After looking over our monte-carlo results, I a simple question > about the sig.cluster.summary output. > > Is the " Max" in column 2 below a measurement of thickness? > thickness, is the correct int

[Freesurfer] Re: 'Max' in sig.cluster.summary

2009-06-03 Thread Judith Segall
Hi all. After looking over our monte-carlo results, I a simple question about the sig.cluster.summary output. Is the " Max" in column 2 below a measurement of thickness? If it is thickness, is the correct interpretation the following: the most significant cluster is in the laterorbitofrontal regio