Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-02 Thread E. C. Masloch via Freedos-user
On at 2024-07-01 20:12 +, tsiegel--- via Freedos-user wrote: On 7/1/2024 7:56 PM, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: The WIN31SUPPORT define is still not enabled/defined by default I believe. Some discussion in [7]. At some point I manually built a kernel including it. I also contributed

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-02 Thread E. C. Masloch via Freedos-user
On at 2024-07-01 21:56 +0200, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: Hi ECM, thanks for the explanations! If I understand https://github.com/FDOS/kernel/issues/50 correctly, Windows 386enh support is not part of the automated builds yet because there originally were limitations regarding which com

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-01 Thread Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user
Hi, > On Jul 1, 2024, at 4:15 PM, tsiegel--- via Freedos-user > wrote: > >  >> On 7/1/2024 7:46 PM, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: >> >> Hi Jerome, >> I basically wonder about something like a third choice, next to "auto-fdisk & auto-format" and "exit to DOS", which lets the use

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-01 Thread Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user
> On Jul 1, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Eric Auer via Freedos-user > wrote: > >  > Hi Jerome, > >>> I basically wonder about something like a third choice, next to >>> "auto-fdisk & auto-format" and "exit to DOS", which lets the user >>> run FDISK interactively and then returns to the installer. >> It

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-01 Thread tsiegel--- via Freedos-user
On 7/1/2024 7:56 PM, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: The WIN31SUPPORT define is still not enabled/defined by default I believe. Some discussion in [7]. At some point I manually built a kernel including it. I also contributed a workaround to allow the gcc build to succeed with WIN31SUPPORT

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-01 Thread tsiegel--- via Freedos-user
On 7/1/2024 7:46 PM, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: Hi Jerome, I basically wonder about something like a third choice, next to "auto-fdisk & auto-format" and "exit to DOS", which lets the user run FDISK interactively and then returns to the installer. It could be a shell to dos instea

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-01 Thread Eric Auer via Freedos-user
Hi ECM, thanks for the explanations! If I understand https://github.com/FDOS/kernel/issues/50 correctly, Windows 386enh support is not part of the automated builds yet because there originally were limitations regarding which compilers are supported, which have since been resolved? The secon

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-01 Thread Eric Auer via Freedos-user
Hi Jerome, I basically wonder about something like a third choice, next to "auto-fdisk & auto-format" and "exit to DOS", which lets the user run FDISK interactively and then returns to the installer. It only auto partitions in normal mode when no partitions exist. If partitions exist and ar

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-01 Thread tsiegel--- via Freedos-user
PPS: I do not suggest specific UEFI-BIOS-CSM projects. Anybody? I went searching for some recently, and the only ones I found were pcem (no longer maintained it seems, although there was an update a few months ago, just no new release), and of course, the original pcXT rom from IBM which is

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-01 Thread E. C. Masloch via Freedos-user
On at 2024-07-01 13:26 -0400, Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user wrote: Hi ECM, On Jul 1, 2024, at 12:51 PM, E. C. Masloch via Freedos-user wrote: On at 2024-06-30 23:32 +0200, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: Remember that Jeremy first posted in 2021-07-26 about his proof of concept demo of

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-01 Thread Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user
Hi ECM, > On Jul 1, 2024, at 12:51 PM, E. C. Masloch via Freedos-user > wrote: > > On at 2024-06-30 23:32 +0200, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: > >> Remember that Jeremy first posted in 2021-07-26 about his proof >> of concept demo of a Windows 386enh install on FreeDOS kernel. >> Kernel ve

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-01 Thread E. C. Masloch via Freedos-user
On at 2024-06-30 23:32 +0200, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: Remember that Jeremy first posted in 2021-07-26 about his proof of concept demo of a Windows 386enh install on FreeDOS kernel. Kernel version 2044 exists since 2023-12-02. Since then, we basically have been waiting for people to TE

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-01 Thread Liam Proven via Freedos-user
On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 at 16:43, Alvah Whealton via Freedos-user wrote: > > Excellent, Liam, and thanks greatly for posting. I would try keeping up with > all that you write but there are an insufficient number of hours in a day. Why thank you! I can tell you that it frequently feels like there are

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-01 Thread Alvah Whealton via Freedos-user
Excellent, Liam, and thanks greatly for posting. I would try keeping up with all that you write but there are an insufficient number of hours in a day. Al Whealton On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 8:23 AM Liam Proven via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 at 23

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-07-01 Thread Liam Proven via Freedos-user
On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 at 23:34, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: > > Interesting that MS Word for DOS looks a bit like EDIT, but > with char style highlighting and a graphical preview :-D Well, yes. They are both Common User Access apps. MS Word for DOS up to v5.0 used its own UI, but 5.5 switche

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-30 Thread Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user
> On Jun 30, 2024, at 7:35 PM, Eric Auer via Freedos-user > wrote: > >  > Hi Jim, > > *Installer* > >> the installer tries to do everything for you; the user should >> just be able to respond to prompts. > > I basically wonder about something like a third choice, next to > "auto-fdisk & au

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-30 Thread Eric Auer via Freedos-user
Hi Jim, *Installer* the installer tries to do everything for you; the user should just be able to respond to prompts. I basically wonder about something like a third choice, next to "auto-fdisk & auto-format" and "exit to DOS", which lets the user run FDISK interactively and then returns to

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-30 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Jim Hall wrote: > > Join us today for the VCF Live Stream, hosted by Jeff Brace from the > > Vintage Computer Federation. Jerome Shidel wrote: > I was tied up (figuratively). So, I missed the first couple minutes. > > I was thinking it was going to be another interview. > > I just found it a littl

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-30 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Eric Auer wrote: [..] > Interesting that MS Word for DOS looks a bit like EDIT, but > with char style highlighting and a graphical preview :-D Yes, it's probably not surprising that the company that made MS-DOS Edit and Word for DOS would make them look a bit similar. I used Microsoft QuickC in th

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-30 Thread Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user
Hi Jim, > On Jun 29, 2024, at 5:03 PM, Jim Hall via Freedos-user > wrote: > > Join us today for the VCF Live Stream, hosted by Jeff Brace from the > Vintage Computer Federation. > I was tied up (figuratively). So, I missed the first couple minutes. I was thinking it was going to be another

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-30 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Eric Auer wrote: > Hi Jim and VCF, thank you for sharing the stream on > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peIYEAM9pk > > Of course, I have some thoughts about it: > > Earlier in the video, when you present some spreadsheets > and word processors, there is a point where you show the > Windows 3

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-30 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Eric Auer wrote: [..] > Unfortunately, the rolling monthly release apparently > uses very OLD FreeDOS core components: > > A 2021 kernel with a copyright message saying 1995-2012 > and a 2021 shell version 0.85a :-( [...] > Remember that Jeremy first posted in 2021-07-26 about his proof > of concep

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-30 Thread Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user
Eric, > On Jun 30, 2024, at 5:33 PM, Eric Auer via Freedos-user > wrote: > […] > > Unfortunately, the rolling monthly release apparently > uses very OLD FreeDOS core components: > > A 2021 kernel with a copyright message saying 1995-2012 > and a 2021 shell version 0.85a :-( What? Those are

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-30 Thread Eric Auer via Freedos-user
Hi Jim and VCF, thank you for sharing the stream on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peIYEAM9pk Of course, I have some thoughts about it: Earlier in the video, when you present some spreadsheets and word processors, there is a point where you show the Windows 3 about screen and it mentions

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-30 Thread Eric Auer via Freedos-user
Hi and a belated happy 30th birthday FreeDOS! If using freedos exclusively, what tools would allow you to attend this event? As Jim mentioned accessibility (although in another context) it would indeed be a good question whether for example the audio could be provided as a non-https download

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-30 Thread Angel M Alganza via Freedos-user
On 2024-06-30 00:37, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: If using freedos exclusively, what tools would allow you to attend this event? It could be downloaded with a browser using an Invidious link (either the audio, the video, or both) and later reproduced using a media player. Has mpla

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
no. It is supposed to be a question allowing the sharing of how those using freedos could have enjoyed this event. On Sat, 29 Jun 2024, Ralf Quint via Freedos-user wrote: On 6/29/2024 3:37 PM, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: Just wondering. If using freedos exclusively, what tools

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-29 Thread Ralf Quint via Freedos-user
On 6/29/2024 3:37 PM, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: Just wondering. If using freedos exclusively, what tools would allow you to attend this event? Again, simply curious. Best, Karen Was this supposed to be a trick question? Ralf ___

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
Just wondering. If using freedos exclusively, what tools would allow you to attend this event? Again, simply curious. Best, Karen On Sat, 29 Jun 2024, Jim Hall via Freedos-user wrote: Join us today for the VCF Live Stream, hosted by Jeff Brace from the Vintage Computer Federation. I'm plan

[Freedos-user] FreeDOS live stream event with VCF

2024-06-29 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
Join us today for the VCF Live Stream, hosted by Jeff Brace from the Vintage Computer Federation. I'm planning for this to be accessible to non-tech folks, so I'll start with a reminder about what DOS was like in the 1980s and 1990s, and what "Windows" was like. Then I'll talk about how we got sta