>Apr 14, 2021 2:00:05 PM Ralf Quint :
>And I stand by my comments that none of Windows 9x/ME is "running on DOS". I
>don't have the time right now to provide the detailed proof for that, but just
>look at the addresses of some of the DOS services before the booting of the
>Windows 9x GUI and af
Eric Auer composed on 2021-04-14 18:15 (UTC+0200):
> The "usual distro" of the day would be Ubuntu, with
> MINT being a spin-off and with lightweight variants
> such as Xubuntu or Lubuntu which default to install
> less heavy graphical things than the normal Ubuntu.
> MATE also is just yet another
> I was an expert in DOS manual memory management and could usually get
> circa 620 kB free conventional memory even on a heavily-loaded machine
> with multimedia, an optical drive and a network stack.
>
> These skills are completely obsolete and redundant these days.
Have you written down your t
Liam ProvenMuch the same here, just quite proficient with DOS back in the
80's, I like that it's fast only doing ONE thing at a time, and boots so
quickly. Not to mention, it doesn't spy on you! And right, you aren't tempted
to surf the web/ LOL
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> On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 18:00, Johnpaul Humphrey jpth1...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> So my question is, why do YOU use FreeDOS?
>
>
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 18:00, Johnpaul Humphrey wrote:
>
> So my question is, why do YOU use FreeDOS?
OK. Disclaimer first: I do have FreeDOS here and there but I
personally prefer running PC DOS 7.1 or DR-DOS. The small differences
in FreeDOS irritate me, and I am more familiar with these versio
All of the reasons that Thomas voiced, and to that I add control. I
want to automatically save files where I want them, not expecting a
worker to go to "documents' then choose amongst various "folders" to
find the correct one, which sometimes is not. We use WordStar for DOS
and FoxPro for DOS.
+1 on the Linux Mint recommendation. Out of all the Linuxi I've personally
tried, I've found Mint to be quite user friendly and I would say it's a great
place to start for those more familiar with a Windows-like interface.
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Thank you for all your replies! So far I am seeing the following "themes"
* Speed and startup time
* Running "timeless" software that was abandoned largely because of
propaganda and business
* Keeping Old hardware running.
* Distraction free
* Avoid being terrorized by the modern commercial experi
On 4/14/2021 11:10 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 19:11, Ralf Quint wrote:
Windows 95A uses MS-DOS 7, which it is possible to boot directly into
by editing the MSDOS.SYS file (which in this version is a
configuration file, not a binary as in older versions.)
Win95B and later u
April 14, 2021 6:01 PM, "Johnpaul Humphrey" wrote:
> So my question is, why do YOU use FreeDOS?
Because there is no such thing as a "retro" or "ancient" computer.
That wording is programmed obsolescence propaganda. A computer is
a useful tool as long as it works as expected and there is no good
Hi,
On 14 Apr 2021, at 17:59, Johnpaul Humphrey wrote:
So my question is, why do YOU use FreeDOS?
* I maintain open source software that run under DOS (besides other
operating systems).
* I like to program "low-level" with direct hardware access
* I like the quick startup time of DOS
*
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 19:11, Ralf Quint wrote:
> Actually, in that part, Michael was correct. And as people like you seem
> to pushing that old myth of "Windows 9x runs on top of DOS", one of my
> next projects when I find time will be to come up with the definitive
> proof for that...
I ran th
> Am 14.04.2021 um 19:16 schrieb Ralf Quint :
>
> On 4/14/2021 9:30 AM, Thomas Desi wrote:
>> Eric, Tomas,
>> thanks for this helpful info!
>>
>> If installing Linux helps to get my files out of FreeDos
>> (hm… „free my files!!“ - or is it a "Lockdown-Dos“?), I will do.
> You do not have to "in
>> Or something like Dosbian Linux on Raspberry Pi which
>> just immediately boots into only a DOS window.
>>
> Is it known here whether this supports proprietary SVGA text modes, (e.g.
> Trident's 132x43, 132x30, 13
Johnpaul Humphrey composed on 2021-04-14 08:59 (UTC-0700):
> So my question is, why do YOU use FreeDOS?
>
No upgrade path from the DOS apps I became dependent on 3 decades ago, primarily
Quattro Pro using the Lotus 1-2-3
Eric Auer composed on 2021-04-14 18:36 (UTC+0200):
> Or something like Dosbian Linux on Raspberry Pi which
> just immediately boots into only a DOS window.
>
Is it known here whether this supports proprietary SVGA tex
Hi Thomas,
> I just found a recipe regarding USB-Sticks & MS-DOS.
> SOURCE: https://slomkowski.eu/retrocomputing/usb-mass-storage-on-ms-dos/
Well, the old USBASPI drivers might work for you, yes.
Or those by Bret Johnson. Or those by Georg Potthast:
http://www.georgpotthast.de/usb/
The gener
On 4/14/2021 9:30 AM, Thomas Desi wrote:
Eric, Tomas,
thanks for this helpful info!
If installing Linux helps to get my files out of FreeDos
(hm… „free my files!!“ - or is it a "Lockdown-Dos“?), I will do.
You do not have to "install" Linux. Just use a Live CD (my suggestion is
still Linux Mint
I just found a recipe regarding USB-Sticks & MS-DOS.
It says „...Although DOS lacks built-in USB support, some unofficial drivers
are available. They leverage the fact that USB mass storage uses SCSI command
set. SCSI hard drives were readily available during golden years of MS-DOS. The
USB driv
On 4/14/2021 8:54 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
Reality is, Windows 95 dos and Windows 98SE DOS is not really dos per se
Wrong.
Actually, in that part, Michael was correct. And as people like you seem
to pushing that old myth of "Windows 9x runs on top of DOS", one of my
next projects when I find
On 4/14/2021 8:44 AM, Thomas Desi wrote:
UEFI Version AD2559B-ITX P1.40
CPU: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D2550 @ 1.86GHz
Processor Speed: 1865MHz
I don’t use at Boot the „UEFI“, but USB- „Flash“ Disk…
That will definitely not work, you can't boot a FreeDOS install/system
with UEFI. You need to use
On 4/14/2021 8:09 AM, Thomas Desi wrote:
Am 14.04.2021 um 16:57 schrieb Tomas By :
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:25:37 +0200, Thomas Desi wrote:
[...] USB Stick on a FreeDOS [...] This is absolutely crucial to me,
otherwise how would I be able to get something out or in to the
computer??
By dual-bo
On 4/13/2021 11:39 AM, Michael Christopher Robinson wrote:
I am fully aware that BIOS used to be updated in MS-DOS. I am 41
years old, older than some people who seem to be experts on this and
probably older than Liam.
Well, Michael, I have still another 20 years on you (and working with
compu
Jim,
DOS & HW basic like the above might make good 5 minute "FD Shorts" on
youtube.
On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 9:45 AM Ralf Quint wrote:
> On 4/14/2021 5:19 AM, Stephanos wrote:
> > Dear All
> >
> > I want to boot to freeDOS using a CD ROM. Then I want to insert a
> > memory stick into the comput
On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 08:59:05AM -0700, Johnpaul Humphrey wrote:
> So my question is, why do YOU use FreeDOS?
> Is it primarily nostalgia? Legacy program support? Speed?
Visit sites like "vetusware" and you'll see that there's plenty of programs
that can still be useful today, while being used
On 4/14/2021 5:19 AM, Stephanos wrote:
Dear All
I want to boot to freeDOS using a CD ROM. Then I want to insert a
memory stick into the computer and copy a file from the Windows HDD onto
the memory stick. Is this possible and if so which version of freeDOS
do I use?
If you are talking about
> Whom are you addressing
Anybody that want's to talk about it.
I like your points. And yes the single program is a plus.
On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 9:25 AM Thomas Desi wrote:
>
> HI Johnpaul - whom are you addressing in your mail saying
> > "So my question is, why do YOU use FreeDOS?"
>
> just in c
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:30:43 +0200, Thomas Desi wrote:
> My „dream“ was it to „marry“ FreeDOS with a portable USB Stick
> (Backup and Carrying), whilst booting from a Harddisk and working on
> C:. But maybe this is n’t so important after all
It should work (unless I misunderstand it): work in Fre
Hi!
> - want to get rid of networking on my „composing tool“
If that means you want audio in DOS, then I strongly
recommend running DOS inside a hardware simulation
and NOT directly on hardware. Because VERY few apps
for DOS will be able to work with modern sound chips
directly. Accessing a simu
Eric, Tomas,
thanks for this helpful info!
If installing Linux helps to get my files out of FreeDos
(hm… „free my files!!“ - or is it a "Lockdown-Dos“?), I will do.
My „dream“ was it to „marry“ FreeDOS with a portable USB Stick (Backup and
Carrying), whilst booting from a Harddisk and working
HI Johnpaul - whom are you addressing in your mail saying
> "So my question is, why do YOU use FreeDOS?"
just in case… ;) here is my „ranting rating“:
- I am 50ish and not so much nostalgic about computing, but:
- want to get rid of networking on my „composing tool“
- want to have a lighting
Hi Thomas,
> Any particular Linux flavor you suggest for this?
> (I would go for a „command line interface“ only.)
That sounds masochistic ;-) As long as you do not
need 3d accelerated drivers, a graphical desktop
for Linux should work on almost all hardware just
automatically. Of course you wil
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:54:35 +0200, Thomas Desi wrote:
> Any particular Linux flavor you suggest for this?
> (I would go for a „comand line interface“ only.)
Ubuntu should be fine, but Linux flavour not important. Also, don't
bother with changing the defaults. Use a graphical desktop and start a
In light of the "DOS was dead" discussion, I wanted to ask a question.
I was *born* after support was dropped for MS-DOS, so I can't claim
nostalgia as my reason for use. Recently I installed FreeDOS on my
modern HP-Pavilion laptop, alongside BSD, Linux, and plan9. I did this
because I like DOS's s
Hi Thomas,
>> "I want to boot to freeDOS using a CD ROM.
That should be easy.
>> Then I want to insert a memory stick into the computer and copy
>> a file from the Windows HDD onto the memory stick.
That can be complicated. Often, the BIOS only helps DOS with
USB access after you have actuall
thanks, Tomas, I will go the path you suggest. Any particular Linux flavor you
suggest for this?
(I would go for a „comand line interface“ only.)
T-h-omas
> Am 14.04.2021 um 17:51 schrieb Tomas By :
>
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:44:13 +0200, Thomas Desi wrote:
>> [...] Any ideas?
>
> I think A an
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 14:02, Michael Christopher Robinson
wrote:
>
> I am fully aware that BIOS used to be updated in MS-DOS. I am 41 years old,
> older than some people who seem to be experts on this and probably older than
> Liam.
I have 12 years and a lot more than 12 operating systems on
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:44:13 +0200, Thomas Desi wrote:
> [...] Any ideas?
I think A and B are Windows debris.
You probably just formatted C to get rid of Windows. You could have
partitioned the disk first.
I don't know that BIOS.
But start over from the beginning, make two partitions of equal s
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 14:20, Stephanos wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> I want to boot to freeDOS using a CD ROM. Then I want to insert a
> memory stick into the computer and copy a file from the Windows HDD onto
> the memory stick. Is this possible and if so which version of freeDOS
> do I use?
Stepha
UEFI Version AD2559B-ITX P1.40
CPU: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D2550 @ 1.86GHz
Processor Speed: 1865MHz
I don’t use at Boot the „UEFI“, but USB- „Flash“ Disk…
( The Pl.40 Bios: https://www.asrock.com/support/cpu.asp?s=775&u=205 )
— after Booting: —>
FreeDos says:
„No drives assigned.
3 drives(s)
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:09:34 +0200, Thomas Desi wrote:
> The stick is not recognised when booting from HD with stick inserted.
> In this case, the Freedos startup screen (shall I say?), prints „3
> disks available - no disk assigned“.
Maybe you could report the name/version of the BIOS, and then s
> Am 14.04.2021 um 16:57 schrieb Tomas By :
>
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:25:37 +0200, Thomas Desi wrote:
>> [...] USB Stick on a FreeDOS [...] This is absolutely crucial to me,
>> otherwise how would I be able to get something out or in to the
>> computer??
>
> By dual-booting and reading the Fre
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:25:37 +0200, Thomas Desi wrote:
> [...] USB Stick on a FreeDOS [...] This is absolutely crucial to me,
> otherwise how would I be able to get something out or in to the
> computer??
By dual-booting and reading the Freedos FAT partition from Linux or
Windows...
> I just ins
DOS Emulator (which works on the Raspberry Pi) is indeed interesting.
I have similar questions, (also connected the recent question from Stephanos:
>"I want to boot to freeDOS using a CD ROM.
>Then I want to insert a memory stick into the computer and copy
> a file from the Windows HDD onto
>
> EMU2 lets you execute DOS programs as if they are native
> Linux/MacOS/OpenBSD/Raspbian programs. Is a little bit like WINE but for
> DOS, as it's emulates the BIOS and MS-DOS interrupts. EMU2 also works
> quite well as part of a development chain (Makefile etc) where some
> parts needs to be
Hi FreeDOS list,
On 14 Apr 2021, at 14:25, Eric Auer wrote:
I am sure there are a variety of other ways to do
what "nobody" has released yet ;-)
one DOS Emulator (which works on the Raspberry Pi, as well as on almost
all Unix like systems) that I can recommend for non graphical text based
p
Hi Stephanos,
> Dell ... looked at the problem and confirmed that:
> 1) there is no BIOS update offered for my laptop, N5030
> 2) that the BIOs update that I was using is for model M5030,
> which has an AMD processor. Mine has an Intel processor
That explains a lot!
> 3) they are not going to
Hey!
> I want to boot to freeDOS using a CD ROM. Then I want to insert a
> memory stick into the computer and copy a file from the Windows HDD onto
> the memory stick. Is this possible and if so which version of freeDOS
> do I use?
If you ask me: Do not use DOS for that. Your Windows is probab
Hi!
> The Raspberry Pi which is sadly a proprietary hardware
> platform, does nut support DOS. I thought it did by some miracle. It
> doesn't. Apparently, nobody has released a hypervisor for the Raspberry
> Pi 4 that will emulate an 80386 or earlier well enough to run FreeDOS or
> any DOS wit
Dear All
Dell offer an 0800 number in the UK to receive technical assistance. I
rang it. They looked at the problem and confirmed that:
1) there is no BIOS update offered for my laptop, N5030
2) that the BIOs update that I was using is for model M5030, which has
an AMD processor. Mine has an
Dear All
I want to boot to freeDOS using a CD ROM. Then I want to insert a
memory stick into the computer and copy a file from the Windows HDD onto
the memory stick. Is this possible and if so which version of freeDOS
do I use?
Thanks and wait to hear
Stephanos
_
I am fully aware that BIOS used to be updated in MS-DOS. I am 41 years
old, older than some people who seem to be experts on this and
probably older than Liam. Stefano, did you ever successfully update
your bios? Reality is, Windows 95 dos and Windows 98SE DOS is not
really dos per se and Windows M
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