Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > Some people (Dennis??) like built-in extension languages. But I guess > that's for heavy text scripting etc. I don't personally use such, but > it could be useful. THE uses Rexx, VIM has VIMscript (or can use Lua), > Emacs has ELisp, etc. etc. > >

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 3:21 PM, dmccunney wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: >>> At 08:51 AM 1/29/2013, Michael B. Brutman wrote: >> - Editors do not need interpreted languages in them. (EMACs users, please

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 3:21 PM, dmccunney wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: >> At 08:51 AM 1/29/2013, Michael B. Brutman wrote: > >>>- Editors do not need interpreted languages in them. (EMACs users, >>>please forgive me.) >> >> EMACS? Like the operating system

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > At 07:02 AM 1/29/2013, =?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDuxdbEwc7P1w==?= wrote: > >>2. These editor must be only 8086 or can be 80386 (8086 machines >>used only by nostalgy value by museum staffs)? > > IMHO, authors of FreeDOS related programs shou

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Евгений Нежданов wrote: > Hi all, dear FreeDOS community members! I please answer all to my questions: > 1. You want to have in the FreeDOS distribute more powerful text editor as > standard text editor? No. The default is fine. The whole world doesn't need all

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > At 08:51 AM 1/29/2013, Michael B. Brutman wrote: >>- Editors do not need interpreted languages in them. (EMACs users, >>please forgive me.) > > EMACS? Like the operating system, that's just lacking a decent editor? >:-} > (Doesn't EMACS sta

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Tom Ehlert
> Get up on the wrong side of the bed today? Why so defensive? > PC/MS DOS 5.x and 6.x will run in 256K with usable memory to spare. > PC/MS DOS 3.x will run in 128K with usable memory to spare. FreeDOS will inherently use ~60K more then MSDOS as command.com swaps only to XMS or not at all. > If

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 29-1-2013 20:02, Michael B. Brutman schreef: > PC/MS DOS 5.x and 6.x will run in 256K with usable memory to spare. > PC/MS DOS 3.x will run in 128K with usable memory to spare. If FreeDOS > is designed/optimized for a bigger footprint then that's fair, but there > is nothing wrong with asking

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Michael B. Brutman
Tom, Get up on the wrong side of the bed today? Why so defensive? PC/MS DOS 5.x and 6.x will run in 256K with usable memory to spare. PC/MS DOS 3.x will run in 128K with usable memory to spare. If FreeDOS is designed/optimized for a bigger footprint then that's fair, but there is nothing w

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 08:51 AM 1/29/2013, Michael B. Brutman wrote: >- Editors do not need interpreted languages in them. (EMACs users, >please forgive me.) EMACS? Like the operating system, that's just lacking a decent editor? >:-} (Doesn't EMACS stand for "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping"? :-P >- An edit

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 07:02 AM 1/29/2013, =?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiDuxdbEwc7P1w==?= wrote: >Hi all, dear FreeDOS community members! I please answer all to my questions: >1. You want to have in the FreeDOS distribute more powerful text >editor as standard text editor? Well, not the greatest fan of the FreeDOS EDIT, but

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Tom Ehlert
> On 1/29/2013 11:09 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote: >>> - An editor should be small enough to run on a 128K machine. >> FreeDOS will not run on a 128K machine. > Ok. Then make it 256. You get the idea. > I haven't looked into the source code, but is FreeDOS really that much > of a memory hog where it w

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Michael B. Brutman
On 1/29/2013 11:09 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote: >> - An editor should be small enough to run on a 128K machine. > FreeDOS will not run on a 128K machine. Ok. Then make it 256. You get the idea. I haven't looked into the source code, but is FreeDOS really that much of a memory hog where it will not bo

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread John Ames
The FreeDOS EDIT clone is perfectly sufficient for basic editing purposes. The one thing it could really use is optimization - partly for performance (it's rather balky on my 10MHz 286, where EDIT is perfectly fine,) but mostly for memory usage (it's about the same size as the whole QBASIC package

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Tom Ehlert
> - An editor should be small enough to run on a 128K machine. FreeDOS will not run on a 128K machine. > - Calculator? How many people do not have a physical calculator or cell > phone laying around nearby? you are right. but wtf will I use a 128K machine for if I have a iPhone around ? > - An e

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:00 PM, bruce.bowman tds.net wrote: >>The usual limitation is a 64K file size. How often must you *edit* >>(as opposed to view) a larger file? > > Often enough that I want it. Fair enough. What are you editing when you do? > Bruce __ Dennis https://plus.google.com

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Michael B. Brutman wrote: > - Editors do not need interpreted languages in them. (EMACs users, > please forgive me.) Fundamentally, Gnu Emacs is a Lisp interpreter, and most of the editor is written in Lisp. But while you may not go the Emacs route, how do you

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread bruce.bowman tds.net
>The usual limitation is a 64K file size. How often must you *edit* >(as opposed to view) a larger file? Often enough that I want it. Bruce -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Wi

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:41 AM, bruce.bowman tds.net wrote: > My biggest complaint about currently available editors are their > restrictions on file size. A new editor should page the file in from > disk as needed so as to avoid this restriction. The usual limitation is a 64K file size. How

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Michael B. Brutman
Most people have a favorite editor already; you have an "uphill battle" if you think that one editor can replace the rest. Here are some comments on your feature list: - 8088 class machines should be supported. There is nothing in the 80286 or 80386 opcode set that should be required for a g

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Marco Achury
El 29/01/2013 11:11 a.m., bruce.bowman tds.net escribio': > Any improvements to the current editors would be nice, but the > following things don't strike me as particularly important: > > -- external fonts > -- what language it was written in > -- built-in BASIC interpreter > -- calendar > > My bi

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread bruce.bowman tds.net
Any improvements to the current editors would be nice, but the following things don't strike me as particularly important: -- external fonts -- what language it was written in -- built-in BASIC interpreter -- calendar My biggest complaint about currently available editors are their restrictions o

Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Jim Hall
Hi. I got all four copies of this email that you crossposted to the FreeDOS lists. Please don't spam. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Евгений Нежданов wrote: > Hi all, dear FreeDOS community members! I please answer all to my questions: > 1. You want to have in the FreeDOS distribute more power

[Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Евгений Нежданов
Hi all, dear FreeDOS community members! I please answer all to my questions: 1. You want to have in the FreeDOS distribute more powerful text editor as standard text editor? 2. These editor must be only 8086 or can be 80386 (8086 machines used only by nostalgy value by museum staffs)? 3. Editor mus

[Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Евгений Нежданов
Hi all, dear FreeDOS community members! I please answer all to my questions: 1. You want to have in the FreeDOS distribute more powerful text editor as standard text editor? 2. These editor must be only 8086 or can be 80386 (8086 machines used only by nostalgy value by museum staffs)? 3. Editor mus

[Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-29 Thread Евгений Нежданов
Hi all, dear FreeDOS community members! I please answer all to my questions: 1. You want to have in the FreeDOS distribute more powerful text editor as standard text editor? 2. These editor must be only 8086 or can be 80386 (8086 machines used only by nostalgy value by museum staffs)? 3. Editor mus