Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 08:32 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: > > For more than half of those languages, there doesn't exist a (at > > least serious) DOS implementation. > > You rather have to use what is available, and that is fairly limited... > >There is easily an implementation for more than half of those, but >often

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: >>2012/4/6, Alex : >> >> > Just to be clear, which is the best Pascal version available to date >> > for FreeDOS? > > Well, I don't know... > I used 3.02 on DOS for a long time, [xyz] would be clear > advantages over 3.0. And it was still r

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > At 03:57 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: >> >>On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: >> > At 02:59 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: >> > >> >>Also see Gautier's "Transparent Language Popularity Index" (updated >> >>each month): >> >

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 05:05 PM 4/6/2012, Zbigniew wrote: >2012/4/6, Alex : > > > Just to be clear, which is the best Pascal version available to date > > for FreeDOS? > >Perhaps TP 3.0 - maximal effect taken out of minimum of code? > >#v+ >Turbo Pascal 3 for MS-DOS was released in September 1986. Being >version 3, th

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 04:45 PM 4/6/2012, Alex wrote: >On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Rugxulo wrote: > > > 16-bit is dead, no machines are made purely 16-bit anymore. AMD64 long > > mode doesn't (properly) support 16-bit at all, and popular compilers > > like GCC never cared to support it. Also, people hate it, so

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Zbigniew
2012/4/6, Alex : > What, in your view, are the best production-ready languages currently > available to FreeDOS users? Don't forget various Forth variants. > By production-ready I also mean that they must have a minimal set of > libraries... Depends, what actually you mean by "minimal set of li

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Zbigniew
2012/4/6, Alex : > Just to be clear, which is the best Pascal version available to date > for FreeDOS? Perhaps TP 3.0 - maximal effect taken out of minimum of code? #v+ Turbo Pascal 3 for MS-DOS was released in September 1986. Being version 3, there were lesser releases prior to it and flashier

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Alex
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Rugxulo wrote: > 16-bit is dead, no machines are made purely 16-bit anymore. AMD64 long > mode doesn't (properly) support 16-bit at all, and popular compilers > like GCC never cared to support it. Also, people hate it, so a lot of > C code uses 32-bit-isms, sadly.

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 03:57 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: >Hi, > >On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > > At 02:59 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: > > > >>Also see Gautier's "Transparent Language Popularity Index" (updated > >>each month): > >> > >>http://lang-index.sourceforge.net/ > > > > Sorry, but as

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > At 02:59 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: > >>Also see Gautier's "Transparent Language Popularity Index" (updated >>each month): >> >>http://lang-index.sourceforge.net/ > > Sorry, but as far as programming for (Free)DOS is concerned, that > li

Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS

2012-04-06 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Alex wrote: > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > >> And what exactly do you mean by "GUI as development tool". That's a >> term that doesn't make any sense to me at least... > > What I meant was simply a tool for developing GUI-based appli

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 02:59 PM 4/6/2012, Rugxulo wrote: >Also see Gautier's "Transparent Language Popularity Index" (updated >each month): > >http://lang-index.sourceforge.net/ Sorry, but as far as programming for (Free)DOS is concerned, that list is completely irrelevant... Ralf --

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Alex wrote: > > The discussion is getting interesting. I have changed the subject of > this thread to Programming languages in FreeDOS, if you dont't mind. > > What, in your view, are the best production-ready languages currently > available to FreeDOS users? >

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Alex
Has anyone tried Lua in DOS? In theory Lua is supposed to run nicely on all platforms, but how well does it play with the DOS environment specifically? I know, it all depends on the availability of libraries/modules. So let me rephrase the question: does anyone know of Lua extensions for the DOS en

Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS

2012-04-06 Thread Marco Achury
El 06/04/2012 03:57 p.m., Alex escribió: > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > >> And what exactly do you mean by "GUI as development tool". That's a >> term that doesn't make any sense to me at least... > What I meant was simply a tool for developing GUI-based applications. >

Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS

2012-04-06 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 01:27 PM 4/6/2012, Alex wrote: >On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > > > And what exactly do you mean by "GUI as development tool". That's a > > term that doesn't make any sense to me at least... > >What I meant was simply a tool for developing GUI-based applications. Well,

Re: [Freedos-user] Programming languages in FreeDOS

2012-04-06 Thread Alex
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > At 12:06 PM 4/6/2012, Eric Auer wrote: >>DJGPP is a free open DOS port of GNU C/C++ and OpenWatcom C is >>also pretty open. None of the Turbo things are open, although >>some were free in the Borland Software Museum for a while. Now >>you hav

Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS

2012-04-06 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! > Actually, what I had in mind when I asked about GUIs was just GUIs > themselves, not application using them. But it was nice to see... > The starting point of my exploration on DOS-based GUIs was: > http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.GallDosGui > My inte

Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS

2012-04-06 Thread Alex
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > And what exactly do you mean by "GUI as development tool". That's a > term that doesn't make any sense to me at least... What I meant was simply a tool for developing GUI-based applications.

Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS

2012-04-06 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 12:48 PM 4/6/2012, Alex wrote: >Any idea why OpenGEM is the only GUI environment listed on the >FreeDOS website under the category GUIs? To be fair, I must say that >if you look hard withing the website you do find the reference to >other GUIs, such as the Icon GUI. So why OpenGEM is the only

Re: [Freedos-user] Catch-all Repository for legacy DOS

2012-04-06 Thread Marco Achury
El 06/04/2012 02:36 p.m., Eric Auer escribió: > Hi :-) A nice thread to ponder some free alternatives for > all those fine classic DOS programs from "back then" :-) > >> Rugxulo: What was DOS most famous for?" >> >> In office software: Lotus 1-2-3 *and clones), DBase 3 and 3.5, >>

Re: [Freedos-user] Catch-all Repository for legacy DOS

2012-04-06 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 12:06 PM 4/6/2012, Eric Auer wrote: >Harbour / xHarbour are free DBase Clipper (database scripting >language compiler?) clones, a bit bulky afair but portable :-) >See also their harbour-project.org web site :-) First of all Harbour and xHarbour are pretty much two completely different proje

Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS

2012-04-06 Thread Alex
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Marco Achury wrote: > > El 06/04/2012 01:25 p.m., Eric Auer escribió: > > Hi! > > Can someone please tell me what are the best GUIs available for FreeDOS? > > Naturally, this is a double question, since GUIs fall into two categories: > > 1) Text-mode GUIs > 2) Graph

Re: [Freedos-user] Catch-all Repository for legacy DOS

2012-04-06 Thread Eric Auer
Hi :-) A nice thread to ponder some free alternatives for all those fine classic DOS programs from "back then" :-) > Rugxulo: What was DOS most famous for?" > > In office software: Lotus 1-2-3 *and clones), DBase 3 and 3.5, > Paradox, QuattroPro, Javelin, MS Proje

Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS

2012-04-06 Thread Marco Achury
El 06/04/2012 01:25 p.m., Eric Auer escribió: > Hi! > >> Can someone please tell me what are the best GUIs available for FreeDOS? >> >> Naturally, this is a double question, since GUIs fall into two categories: >> >> 1) Text-mode GUIs >> 2) Graphical GUIs >> >> So, which GUI(s) would you recommend

Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS

2012-04-06 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! > Can someone please tell me what are the best GUIs available for FreeDOS? > > Naturally, this is a double question, since GUIs fall into two categories: > > 1) Text-mode GUIs > 2) Graphical GUIs > > So, which GUI(s) would you recommend for each category? Maybe unrelated but: File Maven i

[Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS

2012-04-06 Thread Alex
Hi all, Can someone please tell me what are the best GUIs available for FreeDOS? Naturally, this is a double question, since GUIs fall into two categories: 1) Text-mode GUIs 2) Graphical GUIs So, which GUI(s) would you recommend for each category? Alex