Adam Vande More wrote:
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Freminlins wrote:
2009/10/30 Adam Vande More
Where's your config files, your errors logs, your stats?
I am not going to reply to you after this because you are blinkered. I'm
not going to waste my time with you. I've given you more
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Freminlins wrote:
> 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More
>
>
>> Where's your config files, your errors logs, your stats?
>>
>
> I am not going to reply to you after this because you are blinkered. I'm
> not going to waste my time with you. I've given you more than enough t
2009/10/30 Adam Vande More
> Where's your config files, your errors logs, your stats?
>
I am not going to reply to you after this because you are blinkered. I'm not
going to waste my time with you. I've given you more than enough to feed on,
but you just can't smell the coffee.
> Adam Vande
2009/10/30 Neil Short
>
> This is comforting for many reasons: notably, that I'm not alone in this
> experience.
>
Do you know something, it's not comforting. Not really. It just means you
are another user for whom a program doesn't work properly.
MF.
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Freminlins wrote:
> You are arrogant because you won't accept that people have problems with
> your beloved HAL, the Half Arsed Luser program. Some or many in the Linux
> crowd are planning to move away from it because it doesn't work properly.
>
> You don't accep
You are arrogant because you won't accept that people have problems with
your beloved HAL, the Half Arsed Luser program. Some or many in the Linux
crowd are planning to move away from it because it doesn't work properly.
You don't accept that a 3k config file now needs 18MB of RAM. And doesn't
wor
--- On Fri, 10/30/09, Freminlins wrote:
> From: Freminlins
> Go and Google for hal problems - you will see
> that this is not an uncommon occurrence. It seems that the
> purpose of hal is to make things easier. Well it didn't
> for me - it made them harder. I dunno, perhaps I'm too
> stuc
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Freminlins wrote:
> 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More
>
>> I was part of this and the x11 mailing list during the period in which
>> most made the switch to hal. I am fully aware of all the complaining which
>> occurred. There was a bug which made the issue difficult.
2009/10/30 Adam Vande More
> I was part of this and the x11 mailing list during the period in which most
> made the switch to hal. I am fully aware of all the complaining which
> occurred. There was a bug which made the issue difficult. I experienced
> it, the workaround was available nearly i
--On Friday, October 30, 2009 13:44:07 -0500 Freminlins
wrote:
2009/10/30 Adam Vande More
I am unable to replicate this.
YMMV. But I did replicate it. I measured "before and after".
Show us the output of top from your box with the hal processes, as I did for
a start.
FWIW, here's m
I was part of this and the x11 mailing list during the period in which most
made the switch to hal. I am fully aware of all the complaining which
occurred. There was a bug which made the issue difficult. I experienced
it, the workaround was available nearly immediately and fixed soon after.
Near
I just saw this on my gentoo list (yes, there are folks complaining
about HAL there as well). I don't know anything about this project
other than it's intentions are to build a replacement for HAL.
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/DeviceKit
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2009/10/30 Adam Vande More
>
> I am unable to replicate this.
YMMV. But I did replicate it. I measured "before and after".
Show us the output of top from your box with the hal processes, as I did for
a start.
> Nowhere have you demonstrated HAL is not working as it's meant to. This is
> poi
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Freminlins wrote:
> 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More
>
>
>> No my point was top is not accurate measure of HAL's memory usage. HAL
>> has shared library's just like many other applications.
>>
>
> Yep, I know all about that. But it is indicative. And indeed born out
2009/10/30 Adam Vande More
>
> No my point was top is not accurate measure of HAL's memory usage. HAL has
> shared library's just like many other applications.
>
Yep, I know all about that. But it is indicative. And indeed born out by the
fact that when HAL is not running I get 18MB more memory
--On Friday, October 30, 2009 10:11:57 -0500 Adam Vande More
wrote:
Well that particular entry isn't necessary as noted by the next one in
UPDATING.
I suppose I should have highlighted this portion of the entry - Server 1.5.3
also really wants to configure its input devices via hald. - which
>
>
> Once you have to start reading a manual to create a configuration to
> get basic keyboard to work, things are getting seriously out of hand.
>
> A common user should not be required to have a working knowledge of
> XHTML and obscure directives in order to get a piece of equipment
> working.
>
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:04:18 -0500
Adam Vande More replied:
>On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Freminlins
>wrote:
>
>> I've read the responses and comments here, so don't think I'm
>> ignoring anyone because I haven't responded directly.
>>
>> I rebuilt xorg-server without HAL. I killed hal ston
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Freminlins wrote:
> I've read the responses and comments here, so don't think I'm ignoring
> anyone because I haven't responded directly.
>
> I rebuilt xorg-server without HAL. I killed hal stone dead and started up
> the new (i.e. old-skool) xorg. It all works f
I've read the responses and comments here, so don't think I'm ignoring
anyone because I haven't responded directly.
I rebuilt xorg-server without HAL. I killed hal stone dead and started up
the new (i.e. old-skool) xorg. It all works fine.
My mouse and keyboard work as specified in the xorg.conf
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Neil Short wrote:
20090123:
AFFECTS: users of x11-servers/xorg-server
AUTHOR: rnol...@freebsd.org
I hate to say this; but I carefully read the UPDATING log you quoted
and used the solution suggested - which did not work for me.
It was a temporary solution to a
>
> > Far be it from me to pile on when you're already so
> > frustrated, but I run into
> > these sorts of problems myself from time to time.
> > It's usually because I
> > didn't bother to read /usr/ports/UPDATING first, which in
> > this case might have
> > warned you.
> >
> > 20090123:
> > AF
> --On Thursday, October 29, 2009 16:55:58 -0500 Freminlins
>
> wrote:
> >
> > I know this isn't specifically a FreeBSD problem, HAL
> being needed by X. But
> > the flipping installer should enable it when I
> selected X flipping User from
> > the install options.
> >
> > My little upgrade has
Bruce Cran wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:15:08 +
> Freminlins wrote:
>
>
>> Yeah, thanks for that. I knew about that file, but don't often read
>> it. There's even more to the saga - Xkblayout doesn't work. This
>> whole HAL thing stinks horribly. IF X is built with HAL basically
>> certa
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:15:08 +
Freminlins wrote:
> Yeah, thanks for that. I knew about that file, but don't often read
> it. There's even more to the saga - Xkblayout doesn't work. This
> whole HAL thing stinks horribly. IF X is built with HAL basically
> certain options specified in xorg.con
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Freminlins wrote:
> 2009/10/29 Paul Schmehl
>
> The whole Xorg thing, at least on FreeBSD, is just a minefield. I like to
> remove unnecessary packages, to save space for when I do backups. I don't
> have an Nvidia card on this box so:
>
> pkg_delete xf86-video-nv
Freminlins wrote:
2009/10/29 Paul Schmehl
Far be it from me to pile on when you're already so frustrated, but I run
into these sorts of problems myself from time to time. It's usually because
I didn't bother to read /usr/ports/UPDATING first, which in this case might
have warned you.
2009/10/29 Paul Schmehl
> Far be it from me to pile on when you're already so frustrated, but I run
> into these sorts of problems myself from time to time. It's usually because
> I didn't bother to read /usr/ports/UPDATING first, which in this case might
> have warned you.
>
Yeah, thanks for
--On Thursday, October 29, 2009 16:55:58 -0500 Freminlins
wrote:
I know this isn't specifically a FreeBSD problem, HAL being needed by X. But
the flipping installer should enable it when I selected X flipping User from
the install options.
My little upgrade has now turned from a bit of fun int
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Freminlins wrote:
> For Christ's sake. I have an IBM X41 laptop, which was happily running
> FreeBSD 7.1. Having a little free time this evening I decided to update it
> to 7.2. The upgrade failed miserably so I had to install from scratch. But
> that's OK, becaus
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