Re: Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-17 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
Matt Dillon([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.07.13 15:27:08 +: > Also, do performance testing with dynamic-linked verses static-linked > binaries. Static-linked binaries may look larger, but they have a > much lower dirty-page overhead then the dynamically linked equivalent. > It depe

Re: Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-14 Thread David Gilbert
> "Ian" == Ian Dowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ian> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Ian> Gilbert write s: >> Is it not possible (or has nobody done it) to swap with the current >> diskless boot? Ian> The patch (against RELENG_4) is below; I wonder should this just Ian> be committed?

Re: Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-13 Thread Ian Dowse
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Gilbert write s: >Is it not possible (or has nobody done it) to swap with the current >diskless boot? I do remember some problem with PXE and swap, but I forget the details or if it was resolved. The diskless setup that we have locally uses an MFS root image

Re: Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-13 Thread Matt Dillon
: :Is it not possible (or has nobody done it) to swap with the current :diskless boot? Of all people, I would have expected Matt to be able :to help :). Sure you can swap. I haven't diskless-booted a box in a few months so someone might have broken something, but I have definitely used

Re: Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-13 Thread David Gilbert
> "Matt" == Matt Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Matt> Right, you only need swap to be able to flush dirty pages. Matt> Clean code (and even clean data) pages are simply dropped and Matt> reloaded from the disk image later on if needed again. With Matt> careful program management you

Re: Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-13 Thread Matt Dillon
:Thierry> I don't know : my application was "embedded" and used much :Thierry> less than the 128MBytes installed in the machines (thus no :Thierry> swap!) : :I'm currently running in this configuration ... and have noticed that :the system will allow clean pages (largely loaded from the :executab

Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-13 Thread David Gilbert
> "Thierry" == Thierry Herbelot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Thierry> David Gilbert wrote: >> Thierry> [SNIP] >> I'm still having trouble with diskless operation. If I specify >> the swap option in DHCP, the pxeboot chokes on it. If I don't >> specify the swap there, things boot, but I have

Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-13 Thread Thierry Herbelot
David Gilbert wrote: > [SNIP] > > I'm still having trouble with diskless operation. If I specify the > swap option in DHCP, the pxeboot chokes on it. If I don't specify the > swap there, things boot, but I have no swap. There isn't an obvious > way to add nfs swap once a server is running. >

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-13 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Nik Clayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010713 05:51] wrote: > > Actually, this is what I did for Google, we were able to have 40 machines > > installed in about an hour: > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ > > Or > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pxe/index.html

[hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-13 Thread David Gilbert
> "Thierry" == Thierry Herbelot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Thierry> Alfred Perlstein wrote: Thierry> [SNIP] >> http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ Thierry> first : a big thank you for your paper : I finally could use Thierry> PXE for diskless booting (not install, just running a full,

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-13 Thread Nik Clayton
> Actually, this is what I did for Google, we were able to have 40 machines > installed in about an hour: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ Or http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pxe/index.html N -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ F

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-13 Thread Paul Robinson
On Jul 13, David O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What? You don't like TCL? Well then, be finished with your effort > before the libh guys do. Good call. ;-) To me, the language choice is immaterial on the face of it. The value of the conversation was based upon some of the feature set

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 06:06:07PM +0100, Paul Robinson wrote: > On Jul 12, "Karsten W. Rohrbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > perl might be superior in features at first glance but it has > > serious deficiencies in the resulting code style, due to it's nature it > > not simply enables program

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-12 Thread Matt Dillon
:Actually, this is what I did for Google, we were able to have 40 machines :installed in about an hour: : :http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ : :-- :-Alfred Perlstein [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I did something similar at BEST, though back then it was a NFS bootp boot floppy.

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-12 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Thierry Herbelot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010712 16:54] wrote: > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > [SNIP] > > Actually, this is what I did for Google, we were able to have 40 machines > > installed in about an hour: > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ > > > > -- > > -Alfred Perlstein [[EMA

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-12 Thread Thierry Herbelot
Alfred Perlstein wrote: > [SNIP] > Actually, this is what I did for Google, we were able to have 40 machines > installed in about an hour: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ > > -- > -Alfred Perlstein [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Ok, who wrote this damn function called '??'? > And why do my pr

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-12 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Nick Popoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010712 14:30] wrote: > > "Karsten W. Rohrbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - - every class has properties which can be preloaded (unattended > > install functionality from 'recorded' install session or manually > > generated setup) > > - - remote install dial

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-12 Thread Nick Popoff
"Karsten W. Rohrbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - - every class has properties which can be preloaded (unattended > install functionality from 'recorded' install session or manually > generated setup) > - - remote install dialog ui using ethernet as transport (yay!) would > be a nice idea Ho

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-12 Thread Paul Robinson
On Jul 12, "Karsten W. Rohrbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > perl might be superior in features at first glance but it has > serious deficiencies in the resulting code style, due to it's nature it > not simply enables programmers to do bad things[tm] but almost enforces > them to do so. A slo

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-12 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
Paul Robinson([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.07.12 15:44:32 +: > On Jul 11, "Karsten W. Rohrbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > some rough and spontaneuos ideas: > > - stripped down python interpreter runs as init > > Wow. If you think about it, that's quite a big departure from where FBSD is >

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-12 Thread Paul Robinson
On Jul 11, "Karsten W. Rohrbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > some rough and spontaneuos ideas: > - stripped down python interpreter runs as init Wow. If you think about it, that's quite a big departure from where FBSD is at the moment (or I'm missing the point). You might find a lot more peopl

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-12 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
On Wed 2001-07-11 (19:02), Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote: > Terry Lambert([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.07.09 13:29:23 +: > [...] > > > There are too many steps. > > > > X11 is a distribution set, instead of a package. > > > > Etc. (I could go on forever). > > > > ...then let's wrap up a concept of

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-11 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
Terry Lambert([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.07.09 13:29:23 +: [...] > There are too many steps. > > X11 is a distribution set, instead of a package. > > Etc. (I could go on forever). > ...then let's wrap up a concept of a interpreter language driven installer. redhat does it in python since year