Re: [ECFT] pkgng 0.1-alpha1: a replacement for pkg_install

2011-03-28 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
2011/3/29 Tim Kientzle : > II. Package signing. That would be really nice. >>> >>> Right know we only planned to sign the repo database, so we can trust >>> the sah256 of the packages stored in the database. Then if the package >>> has the same sha256 as the one in the repo database i

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Edwin Groothuis
Hello Doug, I think it got lost in the busy/dark part of my life last year. Feel free to do it, the code is not spectacular or dramatic. If not done when I go home I will do it tonight on my way back from work. Edwin   -- Edwin Groothuis ed...@mavetju.org - Original Message - From: "Do

Re: [ECFT] pkgng 0.1-alpha1: a replacement for pkg_install

2011-03-28 Thread Tim Kientzle
II. Package signing. >>> >>> That would be really nice. >> >> Right know we only planned to sign the repo database, so we can trust >> the sah256 of the packages stored in the database. Then if the package >> has the same sha256 as the one in the repo database it is considered >> trusted. >>

Re: [ECFT] pkgng 0.1-alpha1: a replacement for pkg_install

2011-03-28 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011, Julien Laffaye wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Andriy Gapon wrote: II. Package signing. That would be really nice. Right know we only planned to sign the repo database, so we can trust the sah256 of the

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/28/2011 16:22, Devin Teske wrote: In which case, I can jump up and down for joy and tell my boss that it's once-again kosher to set /etc/localtime as a symbolic link. It has always been true that the only "safe" way to make /etc/localtime a symlink is to have / and /usr on the same files

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Devin Teske
On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 00:51 +0200, Olivier Smedts wrote: > 2011/3/29 Devin Teske : > > On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 16:52 -0400, dieter...@engineer.com wrote: > >> >>> And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime > >> >>> was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a

Re: Using mergemaster to keep /etc/localtime updated

2011-03-28 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/28/2011 15:38, Olivier Smedts wrote: 2011/3/28 Doug Barton: I'm starting a new thread since while the previous one contained a lot of good information it was starting to get a big fragmented, and as someone pointed out mergemaster is not a general solution so I want to focus on the area th

Re: Using mergemaster to keep /etc/localtime updated

2011-03-28 Thread Olivier Smedts
2011/3/28 Doug Barton : > I'm starting a new thread since while the previous one contained a lot of > good information it was starting to get a big fragmented, and as someone > pointed out mergemaster is not a general solution so I want to focus on the > area that I'm actually responsible for. :) >

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Olivier Smedts
2011/3/29 Devin Teske : > On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 16:52 -0400, dieter...@engineer.com wrote: >> >>> And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime >> >>> was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a >> symlink, >> >>> I believe that approach could be problematic fo

Re: src.conf(5) status/semantics

2011-03-28 Thread Alexander Best
On Mon Mar 28 11, Freddie Cash wrote: > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Alexander Best wrote: > > how hard would it be to change the *.mk code so the following semantics > > apply: > > > > - make.conf(5) == applies system-wide > > - src.conf(5) == applies only to /usr/src > > What would be real

Re: src.conf(5) status/semantics

2011-03-28 Thread Freddie Cash
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Alexander Best wrote: > how hard would it be to change the *.mk code so the following semantics apply: > > - make.conf(5) == applies system-wide > - src.conf(5) == applies only to /usr/src What would be really nice would be taking it to its logical conclusion: /e

Re: multi-boot bootstrap?

2011-03-28 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 03/28/11 15:59, dieter...@engineer.com wrote: From what I know, one or the other can only be as the first entry and it then has to be set from the forth prompt. So, you will need two disks to boot , saya: OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, Linux, and MacOSX or a combination of these. On PPC boxe

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Devin Teske
On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 16:52 -0400, dieter...@engineer.com wrote: > >>> And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime > >>> was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a > symlink, > >>> I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it > >>> could

src.conf(5) status/semantics

2011-03-28 Thread Alexander Best
hi there, how hard would it be to change the *.mk code so the following semantics apply: - make.conf(5) == applies system-wide - src.conf(5) == applies only to /usr/src right now certain settings will not be picked up from src.conf(5), like CC or CXX. it seems src.conf(5)'s puspose atm is limite

Using mergemaster to keep /etc/localtime updated

2011-03-28 Thread Doug Barton
I'm starting a new thread since while the previous one contained a lot of good information it was starting to get a big fragmented, and as someone pointed out mergemaster is not a general solution so I want to focus on the area that I'm actually responsible for. :) Having read everything in th

Re: multi-boot bootstrap?

2011-03-28 Thread Super Bisquit
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 4:59 PM, wrote: > Now, how are you going to multiboot OpenBSD and NetBSD on a PowerPC >> > machine > >> from the same hard disk. >> > > I didn't say anything about a requirement for booting multiple OSes from the same disk. I said: Go through all the disks and look >>

Re: Prebind from OpenBSD

2011-03-28 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2011-Mar-27 20:54:18 +0100, Robert Watson wrote: >part of rc.d. I'd also investigate large applications like Firefox, Chrome, >KDE, Gnome, etc. KDE already integrates prebinding tricks in its design, but >I don't think the others do. Improving startup time for large, infrequently started e

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/27/2011 18:38, Ed Maste wrote: That's what tzsetup does in HEAD - the name of the selected timezone file is stored in /var/db/zoneinfo, and tzsetup -r can be used to copy in an updated file: -r Reinstall the zoneinfo file installed last time. The name is obtained from /var/db/zo

Re: multi-boot bootstrap?

2011-03-28 Thread dieterbsd
Now, how are you going to multiboot OpenBSD and NetBSD on a PowerPC machine from the same hard disk. I didn't say anything about a requirement for booting multiple OSes from the same disk. I said: Go through all the disks and look for bootable partitions. Extract the GPT partition labels f

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread dieterbsd
And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a symlink, I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it could impose some unintended requirements on some of the start-up scripts. I have been runni

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Matthias Andree
Am 28.03.2011 19:57, schrieb dieter...@engineer.com: >> And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime >> was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a symlink, >> I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it >> could impose some unintended requ

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Devin Teske
On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 11:48 -0700, Jason Helfman wrote: > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 02:22:01PM -0400, Maxim Khitrov thus spake: > >Same here, though I'd be happy to change this habit if mergemaster > >handled the updates for me. > > > This would be a good solution for source updates, but how would t

Re: [ECFT] pkgng 0.1-alpha1: a replacement for pkg_install

2011-03-28 Thread Super Bisquit
Go through the mailing lists. You can only boot 64bit on 64bit and 32bit on 32bit for FreeBSD. Debian needs to boot a 64bit kernel for 64bit machines. I made the reply because that is similar to the BTX bootloader. Let Baptiste get a powerpc machine and try using that bootloader, it won't work. It

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Jason Helfman
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 02:22:01PM -0400, Maxim Khitrov thus spake: Same here, though I'd be happy to change this habit if mergemaster handled the updates for me. This would be a good solution for source updates, but how would this work for binary upgrades via freebsd-update, as mergemaster is

Re: multi-boot bootstrap?

2011-03-28 Thread Super Bisquit
Now, how are you going to multiboot OpenBSD and NetBSD on a PowerPC machine from the same hard disk. From what I know, one or the other can only be as the first entry and it then has to be set from the forth prompt. So, you will need two disks to boot , saya: OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, Linux, and Ma

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Brian Reichert
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:10:42AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:57 AM, wrote: > > I have been running FreeBSD and NetBSD with /etc/localtime being > > a symlink for years and have not seen any problems as a result. > > +1. Many Linux distros do the same thing as well

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Olivier Smedts
2011/3/28 : >> And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime >> was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a symlink, >> I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it >> could impose some unintended requirements on some of the start-up >> scri

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Maxim Khitrov
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:57 AM,   wrote: >>> And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime >>> was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a symlink, >>> I believe that approach could be problematic for

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Devin Teske
Sent from my iPad On Mar 28, 2011, at 10:57 AM, dieter...@engineer.com wrote: >> And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime >> was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a symlink, >> I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it >> could

Re: [ECFT] pkgng 0.1-alpha1: a replacement for pkg_install

2011-03-28 Thread Julien Laffaye
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Andriy Gapon wrote: >> on 25/03/2011 12:11 Baptiste Daroussin said the following: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> miwi@ launched the new thing called Experimental Call For Testing, >>> it's our turn :) >>> >>> Julien L

multi-boot bootstrap?

2011-03-28 Thread dieterbsd
The discussion of a new bootloader reminded me of the following problem: What we need more than a new bootloader is a new bootstrap. With MBR, NetBSD's boot selector MBR works reasonably well. (About as well as can be expected given the limited space available.) You get a menu of partitions ("slic

Re: New Boot-Loader

2011-03-28 Thread dieterbsd
Please note that graphical loaders are not very serial console friendly ;-) Yes! Real computers have RS-232 consoles. And please stick with plain ASCII text. The current bootloader is at best ugly and at worst unusable on some terminals. AFAIK the bootloader doesn't have termcap/terminfo ava

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:57 AM, wrote: >> And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime >> was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a symlink, >> I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it >> could impose some unintended requirements o

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread dieterbsd
> And while I (think I) recall that the equivalent of /etc/localtime > was implemented in some version of SunOS many years ago as a symlink, > I believe that approach could be problematic for FreeBSD, as it > could impose some unintended requirements on some of the start-up > scripts. I have been

Re: [ECFT] pkgng 0.1-alpha1: a replacement for pkg_install

2011-03-28 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Andriy Gapon wrote: > on 25/03/2011 12:11 Baptiste Daroussin said the following: >> Hi all, >> >> miwi@ launched the new thing called Experimental Call For Testing, >> it's our turn :) >> >> Julien Laffaye (jlaffaye@) and I, helped by Philippe Pepiot (huge >> cont

RE: New Boot-Loader

2011-03-28 Thread Andrew Duane
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Andriy Gapon Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:00 AM To: Alexander Best Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: New Boot-Loader Please note that graphical loaders are not very serial c

Re: [ECFT] pkgng 0.1-alpha1: a replacement for pkg_install

2011-03-28 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 25/03/2011 12:11 Baptiste Daroussin said the following: > Hi all, > > miwi@ launched the new thing called Experimental Call For Testing, > it's our turn :) > > Julien Laffaye (jlaffaye@) and I, helped by Philippe Pepiot (huge > contributor) have been working since the end of the last GSoC on a

Re: New Boot-Loader

2011-03-28 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 3/28/11 6:48 AM, Devin Teske wrote: > Hi fellow hackers, > > I'm designing an open-sourced replacement boot-loader for FreeBSD. I feel > that the existing options in the boot-loader menu today can be whittled down > significantly with a stateful menu system rather than a single-action item

Re: New Boot-Loader

2011-03-28 Thread Devin Teske
On Mar 28, 2011, at 7:03 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > On Monday, March 28, 2011 12:48:03 am Devin Teske wrote: >> Hi fellow hackers, >> >> I'm designing an open-sourced replacement boot-loader for FreeBSD. I feel >> that the existing options in the boot-loader menu today can be whittled down >> sig

Re: New Boot-Loader

2011-03-28 Thread Warner Losh
On Mar 28, 2011, at 5:08 AM, Alexander Best wrote: > On Sun Mar 27 11, Warner Losh wrote: >> >> >> On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:48 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >>> Replacement Boot-Loader: twitpic.com/4e46ol >>> >>> NOTE: The final release will have a single-user mode option. >> >> This looks really

Re: New Boot-Loader

2011-03-28 Thread John Baldwin
On Monday, March 28, 2011 12:48:03 am Devin Teske wrote: > Hi fellow hackers, > > I'm designing an open-sourced replacement boot-loader for FreeBSD. I feel that the existing options in the boot-loader menu today can be whittled down significantly with a stateful menu system rather than a single-

Re: Keeping /etc/localtime up-to-date

2011-03-28 Thread David Wolfskill
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:38:29PM -0400, Ed Maste wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 03:27:32PM -0700, David Wolfskill wrote: > > > There are other ways to do it, of course -- e.g., the first time the > > utility is run, it could actually ask, but then cache the information in > > some place so it

Re: New Boot-Loader

2011-03-28 Thread Andriy Gapon
Would also be cool to have an option to boot "something else" (like e.g. memtest86). Maybe a special directory with loadable binaries and a special menu entry to select one of them. Probably even better to have a mechanism for pluggable menu entries like a special directory that would have .4th

Re: New Boot-Loader

2011-03-28 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 28/03/2011 14:08 Alexander Best said the following: > sorry if we have different opinions on this matter, but i don't quite see > the "fresh" look. > > imo a "modern" boot loader looks like this > > http://www.dailycupoftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/ubuntu01.png > > or this > > http://

Re: Prebind from OpenBSD

2011-03-28 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting Jesse Smith (from Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:29:20 -0300): Thanks very much for the reply. I had thought this was a project/port that was in progress, rather than something waiting on research. Do you know if that's also the case with other projects on the Ideas list? A lot of them don't hav

Re: New Boot-Loader

2011-03-28 Thread Alexander Best
On Sun Mar 27 11, Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:48 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > > Replacement Boot-Loader: twitpic.com/4e46ol > > > > NOTE: The final release will have a single-user mode option. > > This looks really cool. Nice to see a fresh look for the boot loader... sorr

Re: Unsigned wchar_t

2011-03-28 Thread Andrew Turner
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:07:30 +0200 Stefan Farfeleder wrote: > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 08:36:57AM +1300, Andrew Turner wrote: > > Along with this WCHAR_MIN and WCHAR_MAX are defined both in > > and . I would like to remove the copy > > from wchar.h and add an include to machine/_stdint.h. > > >

Re: New Boot-Loader

2011-03-28 Thread Zhihao Yuan
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:48:03PM -0700, Devin Teske wrote: >> Hi fellow hackers, >> >> I'm designing an open-sourced replacement boot-loader for FreeBSD. I feel >> that the existing options in the boot-loader menu today can be whittled

Re: New Boot-Loader

2011-03-28 Thread Paul Schenkeveld
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:48:03PM -0700, Devin Teske wrote: > Hi fellow hackers, > > I'm designing an open-sourced replacement boot-loader for FreeBSD. I feel > that the existing options in the boot-loader menu today can be whittled down > significantly with a stateful menu system rather than a