Re: Getting CPU usage in FreeBSD

2000-03-12 Thread Arun Sharma
> On Linux this is what I do to get this value: Measure the number of > scheduled jiffies (hundreths of second), measure elapsed time since last > measurement, divide. I ran into the same problem as you - and took the time to implement it. My patches fix the SMP case as well as getting it via sy

Re: Is FreeBSD dead? Well, not in theory...

2000-03-12 Thread Wes Peters
Chuck Robey wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Nate Williams wrote: > > > > >That's also why I am wasting my time slowly documenting the FreeBSD > > > >internals in my spare time. > > > > > > "slowly" is the key word here. Real products are documented before they are > > > in commercial use. > > >

Re: 5.0 features?

2000-03-12 Thread Wes Peters
Mark Hittinger wrote: > > Something that the old DEC took a few stabs at was the idea of a > "checkpoint" feature where a process or a series of processes could be > put in a quiesced state. This would page out the process or processes > into the swap space, allow a hardware shutdown, and after

Re: Is FreeBSD documented? Well, not in theory...

2000-03-12 Thread Wes Peters
Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > -On [20000312 00:00], Joe Abley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 01:36:31PM -0500, Dennis wrote: > > >> Another point is that Open Source is virtually synonomous with "Totally > >> undocumented". &

Re: 5.0 features?

2000-03-12 Thread Patryk Zadarnowski
> Mark Hittinger writes: > > > >Something that the old DEC took a few stabs at was the idea of a > >"checkpoint" feature where a process or a series of processes could be > >put in a quiesced state. This would page out the process or processes > >into the swap space, allow a hardware shutdown, an

Re: Buffer Problems and hangs in 4.0-CURRENT..

2000-03-12 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Howard Leadmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000312 15:56] wrote: > > > > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. > > ... > > > real memory = 402587648 (393152K bytes) > > > config> q > > > avail memory = 387334144 (378256K bytes) > > > Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0 > > > IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 ->

Re: 5.0 features?

2000-03-12 Thread Gary Jennejohn
Mark Hittinger writes: > >Something that the old DEC took a few stabs at was the idea of a >"checkpoint" feature where a process or a series of processes could be >put in a quiesced state. This would page out the process or processes >into the swap space, allow a hardware shutdown, and after a re

Re: Buffer Problems and hangs in 4.0-CURRENT..

2000-03-12 Thread Howard Leadmon
> > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. > ... > > real memory = 402587648 (393152K bytes) > > config> q > > avail memory = 387334144 (378256K bytes) > > Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0 > > IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 -> irq 0 > > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard > > cpu0 (BSP): apic id:

Re: 5.0 features?

2000-03-12 Thread Jonathan Lemon
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: > >Something that the old DEC took a few stabs at was the idea of a >"checkpoint" feature where a process or a series of processes could be >put in a quiesced state. This would page out the process or processes >into the swap space, allow a hardware shutd

Re: Getting CPU usage in FreeBSD

2000-03-12 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I'm definitely for it... If I can get permission from Jordan, perhaps the > > attached patches can make it into upcoming release. > > I think it's a fine idea, I'm just not sure one day before release > is the time to be talking about it. It sho

Re: Is FreeBSD dead? Well, not in theory...

2000-03-12 Thread Chuck Robey
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Nate Williams wrote: > > >That's also why I am wasting my time slowly documenting the FreeBSD > > >internals in my spare time. > > > > "slowly" is the key word here. Real products are documented before they are > > in commercial use. > > Really? That's very different from

Re: Buffer Problems and hangs in 4.0-CURRENT..

2000-03-12 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Howard Leadmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000312 13:50] wrote: > > > > Not a whole lot done, I had the MAXUSERS set to 128, though am about to > > > bump it to 256 when I rebuild to see if that helps. I used to have some > > > tunables for BSDI when I used it, but when I tried to apply them to FBSD

Re: Is FreeBSD dead? Well, not in theory...

2000-03-12 Thread Nate Williams
> >That's also why I am wasting my time slowly documenting the FreeBSD > >internals in my spare time. > > "slowly" is the key word here. Real products are documented before they are > in commercial use. Really? That's very different from my experience as a commercial software developer. And, i

Re: Buffer Problems and hangs in 4.0-CURRENT..

2000-03-12 Thread Howard Leadmon
> > Not a whole lot done, I had the MAXUSERS set to 128, though am about to > > bump it to 256 when I rebuild to see if that helps. I used to have some > > tunables for BSDI when I used it, but when I tried to apply them to FBSD > > it bitched about them being unknown so I just left them out.

Re: Detecting ECC errors

2000-03-12 Thread Doug Barton
CC'ing -hackers in case we can scare up some interest . . . Mike Smith wrote: > > > Hi. I took a look over the archives and noticed this ancient > > thread. (1998) However, I checked the handbook and LINT for options on > > how FreeBSD logs ECC errors, but I could not find anyth

Re: Is FreeBSD dead? Well, not in theory...

2000-03-12 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 04:14:34AM -0500, Dennis wrote: > At 09:19 AM 3/13/00 +1300, Joe Abley wrote: > >I have yet to find a "real product" with good documentation. > > I hate when these discussions get so out of context. The original point > regarded source code, and whether it was useful enoug

re: 5.0 features?

2000-03-12 Thread Mark Hittinger
Something that the old DEC took a few stabs at was the idea of a "checkpoint" feature where a process or a series of processes could be put in a quiesced state. This would page out the process or processes into the swap space, allow a hardware shutdown, and after a reboot allow the restart of th

Re: Is FreeBSD dead? Well, not in theory...

2000-03-12 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 01:36:31PM -0500, Dennis wrote: [open source is irrelevant because none but but the authors can really fix things] [open source _means_ that it's never finished] [the existing commercial support sucks] Seems like a pretty pointless and content-free set of remarks to be ma

Re: Buffer Problems and hangs in 4.0-CURRENT..

2000-03-12 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Howard Leadmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000312 13:20] wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am getting the following errors out of FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT trying to > > > run an IRC server, and was wondering if anyone had any ideas or recommended > > > tunables I should set?? > > > > > > > > > M

Re: Buffer Problems and hangs in 4.0-CURRENT..

2000-03-12 Thread Howard Leadmon
> > Hello, > > > > I am getting the following errors out of FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT trying to > > run an IRC server, and was wondering if anyone had any ideas or recommended > > tunables I should set?? > > > > > > Mar 9 22:32:03 u /usr/ircd/undernet/ircd[154]: Unable to create auth socket f

Re: Is FreeBSD dead? Well, not in theory...

2000-03-12 Thread Dennis
At 09:19 AM 3/13/00 +1300, Joe Abley wrote: >On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 03:44:04AM -0500, Dennis wrote: >> At 07:32 PM 3/12/00 +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >> >That's also why I am wasting my time slowly documenting the FreeBSD >> >internals in my spare time. >> >> "slowly" is the key word h

5.0 features?

2000-03-12 Thread Ted Sikora
Excerpt from Slashdot interview: David Greenman and Mike Karels will be working together as co-architects for the new system. As features are merged in, they will be available for download at www.freebsd.org, and on "snapshot" CDROMs. The completely merged system will be released as FreeBSD 5.0.

Re: Buffer Problems and hangs in 4.0-CURRENT..

2000-03-12 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Howard Leadmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000312 12:51] wrote: > > Hello, > > I am getting the following errors out of FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT trying to > run an IRC server, and was wondering if anyone had any ideas or recommended > tunables I should set?? > > > Mar 9 22:32:03 u /usr/ircd/under

Re: Is FreeBSD dead? Well, not in theory...

2000-03-12 Thread Joe Abley
On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 03:44:04AM -0500, Dennis wrote: > At 07:32 PM 3/12/00 +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > >That's also why I am wasting my time slowly documenting the FreeBSD > >internals in my spare time. > > "slowly" is the key word here. Real products are documented before they are

Buffer Problems and hangs in 4.0-CURRENT..

2000-03-12 Thread Howard Leadmon
Hello, I am getting the following errors out of FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT trying to run an IRC server, and was wondering if anyone had any ideas or recommended tunables I should set?? Mar 9 22:32:03 u /usr/ircd/undernet/ircd[154]: Unable to create auth socket for [@163.152.216.46]:No buffer

Re: Is FreeBSD dead? Well, not in theory...

2000-03-12 Thread Dennis
At 07:32 PM 3/12/00 +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >-On [2312 00:00], Joe Abley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >>On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 01:36:31PM -0500, Dennis wrote: > >>> Another point is that Open Source is virtually synonomous with "Totally >>>

Re: Getting CPU usage in FreeBSD

2000-03-12 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> I'm definitely for it... If I can get permission from Jordan, perhaps the > attached patches can make it into upcoming release. I think it's a fine idea, I'm just not sure one day before release is the time to be talking about it. It should have been raised before now. :( - Jordan To Unsubs

Re: Getting CPU usage in FreeBSD

2000-03-12 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in list.freebsd-hackers: > > On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > Then look up the definition of kread() in the same file, and > > > how the contents of cur.cp_time are used in the cpustats() > > >

Re: Is FreeBSD dead? Well, not in theory...

2000-03-12 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
-On [2312 00:00], Joe Abley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 01:36:31PM -0500, Dennis wrote: >> Another point is that Open Source is virtually synonomous with "Totally >> undocumented". > >This is sillier. Exactly, and it also slightly p

Re: Dennis' inability to fix the eepro driver

2000-03-12 Thread Dennis
At 03:29 PM 3/12/00 +0200, Narvi wrote: > >On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > >[snip] > >> > Why haven't you considered hiring somebody to document the parts you are >> > intersted in? Would solve at least half the problem... >> >> To be fair to Dennis, it's not the cost of paying the dropo

WRT `Is FreeBSD dead?'

2000-03-12 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
Could we place relocate this topic to -chat or -advocacy, since it doesn't seem that correct to be discussed on -hackers. Hackers was meant for quality technical discussion, not discussions about FUD, stupidity of people whom don't read official messages posted prior to stating things, spinning o

Re: FreeBSD is dead! Long live FreeBSD!

2000-03-12 Thread Dennis
> >I think this is an exciting period in FreeBSD's development, I personally >am very excited. I think it *could* be a "good" thing, but the proof of the pudding is in the taste. Just keep a bag packed in case. DB To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hack

Re: Getting CPU usage in FreeBSD

2000-03-12 Thread Oliver Fromme
Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in list.freebsd-hackers: > On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > Then look up the definition of kread() in the same file, and > > how the contents of cur.cp_time are used in the cpustats() > > function. Note that "cur" is a "struct statinfo", wh

Re: Getting CPU usage in FreeBSD

2000-03-12 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > Then look up the definition of kread() in the same file, and > > how the contents of cur.cp_time are used in the cpustats() > > function. Note that "cur" is a "struct statinfo", which is > > defined in /

FreeBSD is dead! Long live FreeBSD!

2000-03-12 Thread Pat Lynch
heh, having read over the responses of the people "in the know" (and I've only known about this for a month or two and only by guessing ;)) I think this is very beneficial. Jordan, as always has thought about everything, contingency plans, and has made it very clear that the aquisition of WCCDROM

Re: ATA-disk question

2000-03-12 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Sitaram Iyer wrote: > (kernel 4.0-2208-CURRENT) > > I have a question about adstrategy() in ata-disk.c: it says > > bufqdisksort() -- which appends to the drive queue using CSCAN, > > and immediately, without a check for adp->active, there is > > ad_start() -- which re

Re: Dennis' inability to fix the eepro driver

2000-03-12 Thread Narvi
Uhhh... And before anybody gets all kinds of funny ideas, no, i am not trying to blackmail Dennis. On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Narvi wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > [snip] > > > > Why haven't you considered hiring somebody to document the parts you are > > > intersted in? Wo

Re: Dennis' inability to fix the eepro driver

2000-03-12 Thread Narvi
On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Mike Smith wrote: [snip] > > Why haven't you considered hiring somebody to document the parts you are > > intersted in? Would solve at least half the problem... > > To be fair to Dennis, it's not the cost of paying the dropout to fix this > driver that's at issue here.

Re: Is FreeBSD dead? Well, not in theory...

2000-03-12 Thread W Gerald Hicks
Once again I must ask... What do you know of Open Source? Aside from your enlightened criticisms I've seen nothing in the way of any sort of contribution. No ports maintenance, no code contribution. Nothing other than pure profiteering and never returning anything but a kick in the nuts. Thank