Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Tim Vanderhoek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Have you run your systems with J-grep as a replacement for GNU grep > for a while (making sure nothing breaks)? Yes. > There seems to be at least one dependency on GNU grep in > /ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk where the -F argument is used. -F is implemented.

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Sheldon Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In this case, the implementation we'll be introducing will introduce a > performance loss, not a gain. Can you document that? > As far as stability goes, there's a loss > involved _if_ passing the GNU grep regression tests

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
"Brian F. Feldman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's true. I'd like to see the replacement grep do mmaping of the > input files if it doesn't already, as that would speed it up. Shouldn't be too hard to implement, the way file operations are abstracted. Patches? :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > > If it will get ALL of you to give it a rest, how about: > > per-rule logging limits > > logging limit raising > > logging limit resetting > > Which would all NOT affect the statistics? > > We need more input from people who use the code, t

FreeBSD and native IPv6

1999-07-27 Thread Martti Kuparinen
Hi! I have created a script to integrate FreBSD 3.2, KAME and PAO. As a result I have the following source trees: - FREEBSD+KAME("make world" is working :-) - FREEBSD+PAO (haven't tested yet, no conflicts) - FREEBSD+KAME+PAO(haven't tested yet, 2 minor conflicts) Once I have

Re: Will FreeBSD ever see native IPv6 ??

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
> various researchers and early-adopters, all of which can go to the > KAME site and grab the patches to 3.2-stable if they want to play now, > today. If we haven't done a good enough job of making that clear and > are suffering from defections to other *BSDs because of this, then we > just need t

Re: Missing ld.so in 3.2?

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
> I think u must read following: > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/3.2R/errata.html There is nothing on the 3.2 errata that addresses this. -- -- David(obr...@nuxi.com -or- obr...@freebsd.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the bo

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > > If it will get ALL of you to give it a rest, how about: > > per-rule logging limits > > logging limit raising > > logging limit resetting > > Which would all NOT affect the statistics? > > We need more input from people who use the code,

Re: file(1) Magdir candidate: wintendo

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
> I've had some interesting comments from David Bushong, motivating for > inclusion of his Magdir candidate on PR 12554. He makes a strong case > for a bloated file(1) Magdir. The only thing we're battling with is a > filename for his submission. My advice would be to submit his PR to Chris Demtri

FreeBSD and native IPv6

1999-07-27 Thread Martti Kuparinen
Hi! I have created a script to integrate FreBSD 3.2, KAME and PAO. As a result I have the following source trees: - FREEBSD+KAME("make world" is working :-) - FREEBSD+PAO (haven't tested yet, no conflicts) - FREEBSD+KAME+PAO(haven't tested yet, 2 minor conflicts) Once I have

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
> A more general concern is whether Henry Spencer's regex routines > -- at least in our present "alpha-quality" version -- are up to I spoke to Henry at USENIX and he said he has a new version of his regex library. I have added it to my plate of things to update. -- -- David(obr...@nuxi.com

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
$ uname -a $ grep foo NONEXIST Segmentation fault (core dumped) $ gdb /usr/bin/grep grep.core ... (no debugging symbols found)... Core was generated by `grep'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libz.so.2...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Rea

Re: Will FreeBSD ever see native IPv6 ??

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
> various researchers and early-adopters, all of which can go to the > KAME site and grab the patches to 3.2-stable if they want to play now, > today. If we haven't done a good enough job of making that clear and > are suffering from defections to other *BSDs because of this, then we > just need

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Nate Williams
> If it will get ALL of you to give it a rest, how about: > per-rule logging limits > logging limit raising > logging limit resetting > Which would all NOT affect the statistics? We need more input from people who use the code, to make sure they don't depend on the current 'featu

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
> http://www.freebsd.org/~des/software/grep-0.7.tar.gz> Before importing, it must display a version number of 1.0 (or drop the version number). This is not Linux where everything is version 0.xy. -- -- David(obr...@nuxi.com -or- obr...@freebsd.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord..

Re: Missing ld.so in 3.2?

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
> I think u must read following: > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/3.2R/errata.html There is nothing on the 3.2 errata that addresses this. -- -- David([EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- [EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread James Howard
Due to the discussion of speed, I have been looking at it and it is really slow. Even slower than I thought and I was thinking it was pretty slow. So using gprof, I have discovered that it seems to spend a whole mess of time in grep_malloc() and free(). So I pulled all the references to malloc i

Re: file(1) Magdir candidate: wintendo

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
> I've had some interesting comments from David Bushong, motivating for > inclusion of his Magdir candidate on PR 12554. He makes a strong case > for a bloated file(1) Magdir. The only thing we're battling with is a > filename for his submission. My advice would be to submit his PR to Chris Demtr

Re: newsyslog owner.group -> owner:group

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
> A better patch would check to see if the text to the right of the '.' > is a valid group... However, the above will still parse > > fred.jones:fred.jones > > in the most desirable way, so I suppose the validity checking is > overkill. This is what I plan to commit (w/in minutes): -

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
> A more general concern is whether Henry Spencer's regex routines > -- at least in our present "alpha-quality" version -- are up to I spoke to Henry at USENIX and he said he has a new version of his regex library. I have added it to my plate of things to update. -- -- David([EMAIL PROTECT

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
$ uname -a $ grep foo NONEXIST Segmentation fault (core dumped) $ gdb /usr/bin/grep grep.core ... (no debugging symbols found)... Core was generated by `grep'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libz.so.2...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Re

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Nate Williams
> If it will get ALL of you to give it a rest, how about: > per-rule logging limits > logging limit raising > logging limit resetting > Which would all NOT affect the statistics? We need more input from people who use the code, to make sure they don't depend on the current 'feat

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
> http://www.freebsd.org/~des/software/grep-0.7.tar.gz> Before importing, it must display a version number of 1.0 (or drop the version number). This is not Linux where everything is version 0.xy. -- -- David([EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- [EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread James Howard
Due to the discussion of speed, I have been looking at it and it is really slow. Even slower than I thought and I was thinking it was pretty slow. So using gprof, I have discovered that it seems to spend a whole mess of time in grep_malloc() and free(). So I pulled all the references to malloc

Re: newsyslog owner.group -> owner:group

1999-07-27 Thread Warner Losh
In message <19755.933088...@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sheldon Hearn writes: : +#ifdef SUPPORT_DOT : +/* Older configurations used '.' between user and group */ : +if ((group = strchr(q, ':')) != NULL || : +(group = strchr(q, '.')) != NULL) { : +#else :

Re: SMC 1211TX

1999-07-27 Thread Jason Thorpe
On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:44:03 +0800 Peter Wemm wrote: > > As far as I can tell, this is a RealTek 8139 board. > > Oh my, SMC must be really lowering their standards... The SMC9432TX is still an EPIC/100. The newer revs of that board are bug-free (unlike earlier models). I've had quite a l

Re: securelevel too course-grained?

1999-07-27 Thread Warner Losh
In message <87126.933053...@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sheldon Hearn writes: : I have a feeling it'll be time soon enough for us to make each of the : decisions that is normally affected by securelevel dependant on the : value of sysctl knobs. Presumeably one or more of them would be : "write-once" knobs

Re: newsyslog owner.group -> owner:group

1999-07-27 Thread David O'Brien
> A better patch would check to see if the text to the right of the '.' > is a valid group... However, the above will still parse > > fred.jones:fred.jones > > in the most desirable way, so I suppose the validity checking is > overkill. This is what I plan to commit (w/in minutes): -

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Brian F. Feldman
If it will get ALL of you to give it a rest, how about: per-rule logging limits logging limit raising logging limit resetting Which would all NOT affect the statistics? I am, yes, suggesting I will implement it. Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ ___

Re: newsyslog owner.group -> owner:group

1999-07-27 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sheldon Hearn writes: : +#ifdef SUPPORT_DOT : +/* Older configurations used '.' between user and group */ : +if ((group = strchr(q, ':')) != NULL || : +(group = strchr(q, '.')) != NULL) { : +#else :

Re: SMC 1211TX

1999-07-27 Thread Jason Thorpe
On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:44:03 +0800 Peter Wemm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As far as I can tell, this is a RealTek 8139 board. > > Oh my, SMC must be really lowering their standards... The SMC9432TX is still an EPIC/100. The newer revs of that board are bug-free (unlike earlier models).

Re: securelevel too course-grained?

1999-07-27 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sheldon Hearn writes: : I have a feeling it'll be time soon enough for us to make each of the : decisions that is normally affected by securelevel dependant on the : value of sysctl knobs. Presumeably one or more of them would be : "write-once" knobs. :-) Yes. That

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Brian F. Feldman
If it will get ALL of you to give it a rest, how about: per-rule logging limits logging limit raising logging limit resetting Which would all NOT affect the statistics? I am, yes, suggesting I will implement it. Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ ___

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Gregory Sutter
On Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 01:37:35PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Jamie Howard (howar...@wam.umd.edu), with a little help from yours > truly, has written a BSD-licensed version of grep(1) which has all the > functionality of our current (GPLed) implementation, plus a little > more, in one seve

Re: SMC 1211TX

1999-07-27 Thread Peter Wemm
Jason Thorpe wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:14:33 -0700 > "Kelly D. Lucas" wrote: > > > Is there a FreeBSD driver the the SMC 1211TX 10/100 EZ Ethernet Card? > > As far as I can tell, this is a RealTek 8139 board. Oh my, SMC must be really lowering their standards... Cheers, -Peter To U

Re: adding to periodic/weekly

1999-07-27 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 28 July 1999 at 3:04:25 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > I want to add some maintenance tasks to be run weekly (maybe daily ones too). > There seem to be at least five ways to do this: > > Just add it to the system crontab > - Can run at a different time, if necessary. Leaves periodic unmo

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Gregory Sutter
On Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 01:37:35PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Jamie Howard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), with a little help from yours > truly, has written a BSD-licensed version of grep(1) which has all the > functionality of our current (GPLed) implementation, plus a little > more, in one sevent

Re: SMC 1211TX

1999-07-27 Thread Peter Wemm
Jason Thorpe wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:14:33 -0700 > "Kelly D. Lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is there a FreeBSD driver the the SMC 1211TX 10/100 EZ Ethernet Card? > > As far as I can tell, this is a RealTek 8139 board. Oh my, SMC must be really lowering their standards... Ch

Re: adding to periodic/weekly

1999-07-27 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 28 July 1999 at 3:04:25 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > I want to add some maintenance tasks to be run weekly (maybe daily ones too). > There seem to be at least five ways to do this: > > Just add it to the system crontab > - Can run at a different time, if necessary. Leaves periodic unm

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Doug
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, James Howard wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: > > > Ah, well, if the world were limited to just what I could imagine, > > how boring would that be? The more complete the feature set, the better > > off we are for my money. > > You misinterpretted, I didn't know

Re: XFree 3.3.4 not on ftp.freebsd.org?

1999-07-27 Thread Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami
* From: Tim Vanderhoek * I can claim a bit of the responsibility. It was done after Sue Blake * complained that there was no way to distinguish packages requiring X * from those that didn't. I wrote some extended message discussing * different types of dependencies, and then Satoshi wrote

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Bill Fumerola
On 27 Jul 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > I move that we replace GNU grep in our source tree with this > implementation, once it's been reviewed by all concerned parties. Normally I don't post "me too" messages. I'll make an exception. Me too. -- - bill fumerola - bi...@chc-chimes.com - BF1

Re: Which /etc-files do I need until vinum is initialized?

1999-07-27 Thread Bernd Walter
On Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 05:12:49PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > each. But I think you could eliminate these ones: > > > /etc/gettytab > > /etc/login.conf > > /etc/ttys > I'm not shure on /etc/ttys - init reads it already for singleuser-mode to check if /dev/console is secure. -- B.Walter

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread James Howard
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: > Ah, well, if the world were limited to just what I could imagine, > how boring would that be? The more complete the feature set, the better > off we are for my money. You misinterpretted, I didn't know you could do that therefore I didn't implement that.

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Doug
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, James Howard wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: > > > Ah, well, if the world were limited to just what I could imagine, > > how boring would that be? The more complete the feature set, the better > > off we are for my money. > > You misinterpretted, I didn't know

Re: XFree 3.3.4 not on ftp.freebsd.org?

1999-07-27 Thread Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami
* From: Tim Vanderhoek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * I can claim a bit of the responsibility. It was done after Sue Blake * complained that there was no way to distinguish packages requiring X * from those that didn't. I wrote some extended message discussing * different types of dependencies, and

Re: Free BSDI CD!

1999-07-27 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > But we can install from a single downloaded boot floppy, over the > > Internet, which is better. > > 1. Irrelevant, since most people who want to try BSD/OS out probably >aren't concerned about how FreeBSD installs itself; they're >simply

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Bill Fumerola
On 27 Jul 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > I move that we replace GNU grep in our source tree with this > implementation, once it's been reviewed by all concerned parties. Normally I don't post "me too" messages. I'll make an exception. Me too. -- - bill fumerola - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - BF156

Re: Which /etc-files do I need until vinum is initialized?

1999-07-27 Thread Bernd Walter
On Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 05:12:49PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > each. But I think you could eliminate these ones: > > > /etc/gettytab > > /etc/login.conf > > /etc/ttys > I'm not shure on /etc/ttys - init reads it already for singleuser-mode to check if /dev/console is secure. -- B.Walter

Re: SMC 1211TX

1999-07-27 Thread bush doctor
Out of da blue Kelly D. Lucas aka (k...@securify.com) said: > Is there a FreeBSD driver the the SMC 1211TX 10/100 EZ Ethernet Card? Yes it's the real tek driver. device rl0 # RealTek 8129/8139 > > thanks, > > kdl > > -- > Kelly D. Lucas| Kroll-O'Gara >

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread James Howard
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: > Ah, well, if the world were limited to just what I could imagine, > how boring would that be? The more complete the feature set, the better > off we are for my money. You misinterpretted, I didn't know you could do that therefore I didn't implement that.

Re: SMC 1211TX

1999-07-27 Thread Jason Thorpe
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:14:33 -0700 "Kelly D. Lucas" wrote: > Is there a FreeBSD driver the the SMC 1211TX 10/100 EZ Ethernet Card? As far as I can tell, this is a RealTek 8139 board. -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-h

SMC 1211TX

1999-07-27 Thread Kelly D. Lucas
Is there a FreeBSD driver the the SMC 1211TX 10/100 EZ Ethernet Card? thanks, kdl -- Kelly D. Lucas| Kroll-O'Gara Security Consultant | Information Security Group k...@securify.com | 650-812-9400 x 117 "Any opinions that I state are my own, and not Kroll-O'Gara's"

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Doug
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Jamie Howard wrote: > I do not have a copy of POSIX, but I do have Unix98 which is a superset of > POSIX. Right now, excluding bugs, it is Unix 98 and therefore POSIX > compliant Good news, thanks for addressing this concern. > except for -e. -e should permit mult

Re: Free BSDI CD!

1999-07-27 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > But we can install from a single downloaded boot floppy, over the > > Internet, which is better. > > 1. Irrelevant, since most people who want to try BSD/OS out probably >aren't concerned about how FreeBSD installs itself; they're >simply

Re: XFree 3.3.4 not on ftp.freebsd.org?

1999-07-27 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 10:32:40AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Just to clear up a misconception; this isn't actually a sysinstall > problem. This is a ports bug which Satoshi or somebody introduced > when they added a dependency on the XFree86 port very prematurely. It I can claim a bit

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Wolfram Schneider
On 1999-07-27 13:37:35 +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Jamie Howard (howar...@wam.umd.edu), with a little help from yours > truly, has written a BSD-licensed version of grep(1) which has all the > functionality of our current (GPLed) implementation, plus a little > more, in one seventh the sour

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Jamie Howard
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: > First, I'm all for this idea, and applaud you and Jamie for taking > it on. I do have a few questions. Does POSIX say anything about grep, and > if so, is this version compliant? Also, I'd like to put in another vote > for full GNU grep feature compliance,

Re: SMC 1211TX

1999-07-27 Thread bush doctor
Out of da blue Kelly D. Lucas aka ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: > Is there a FreeBSD driver the the SMC 1211TX 10/100 EZ Ethernet Card? Yes it's the real tek driver. device rl0 # RealTek 8129/8139 > > thanks, > > kdl > > -- > Kelly D. Lucas| Kroll-O'Gara

Re: SMC 1211TX

1999-07-27 Thread Jason Thorpe
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:14:33 -0700 "Kelly D. Lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a FreeBSD driver the the SMC 1211TX 10/100 EZ Ethernet Card? As far as I can tell, this is a RealTek 8139 board. -- Jason R. Thorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PRO

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Doug
On 27 Jul 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > I move that we replace GNU grep in our source tree with this > implementation, once it's been reviewed by all concerned parties. First, I'm all for this idea, and applaud you and Jamie for taking it on. I do have a few questions. Does POSIX say

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Achim Patzner
> I'd like to see people other than you, I, and Matt discussing this. > Other people who use this feature of IPFW that have an opinion one way > or the other should speak up. I must admit being a bad boy - I'm using ipfw for firewalling and accounting: "log" rules for catching bad guys (and I'm no

SMC 1211TX

1999-07-27 Thread Kelly D. Lucas
Is there a FreeBSD driver the the SMC 1211TX 10/100 EZ Ethernet Card? thanks, kdl -- Kelly D. Lucas| Kroll-O'Gara Security Consultant | Information Security Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 650-812-9400 x 117 "Any opinions that I state are my own, and not Kroll-O'Gara's"

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Doug
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Jamie Howard wrote: > I do not have a copy of POSIX, but I do have Unix98 which is a superset of > POSIX. Right now, excluding bugs, it is Unix 98 and therefore POSIX > compliant Good news, thanks for addressing this concern. > except for -e. -e should permit mul

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Julian Elischer
a system wide limit and each rule's logging counter individually resetable back to 0. On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Joe Greco wrote: > > 1) Set a global VERBOSE_LIMIT mechanism and: > a) allow your logging counter to be reset, or > b) allow your limit to be raised to re-enable logging > 2

Re: XFree 3.3.4 not on ftp.freebsd.org?

1999-07-27 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 10:32:40AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Just to clear up a misconception; this isn't actually a sysinstall > problem. This is a ports bug which Satoshi or somebody introduced > when they added a dependency on the XFree86 port very prematurely. It I can claim a bi

Re: VMWare plug/quickie tests.

1999-07-27 Thread Doug
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Kip Macy wrote: > Is there anyone in particular to whom we should write at VMWare? > I agree with his sentiments. I picked a likely looking name from the "contact us" page. Make sure that you only write if you are willing to pay for the product if they make it, and t

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > > > > Again, it's not a fix, it's a feature. Not being able to mess with > > > > > counters (logging or otherwise) is a feature. It may be a feature > > > > > that > > > > > > > > you can do without, but that decision is not to be made lightly. > > > > > >

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Nate Williams
> > > > Again, it's not a fix, it's a feature. Not being able to mess with > > > > counters (logging or otherwise) is a feature. It may be a feature that > > > > > > you can do without, but that decision is not to be made lightly. > > > > > > I'm _saying_ to cr

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > > Again, it's not a fix, it's a feature. Not being able to mess with > > > counters (logging or otherwise) is a feature. It may be a feature that > > > > you can do without, but that decision is not to be made lightly. > > > > I'm _saying_ to create a compl

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Jamie Howard
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: > First, I'm all for this idea, and applaud you and Jamie for taking > it on. I do have a few questions. Does POSIX say anything about grep, and > if so, is this version compliant? Also, I'd like to put in another vote > for full GNU grep feature compliance,

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Wolfram Schneider
On 1999-07-27 13:37:35 +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Jamie Howard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), with a little help from yours > truly, has written a BSD-licensed version of grep(1) which has all the > functionality of our current (GPLed) implementation, plus a little > more, in one seventh the source

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > > > I like the ability at secure level 3 to only reset the counters > > > > forward.. > > > > It fits in with such things as the "append only" flag. > > > > > > Then we'd have to implement per-rule counters that default to > > > IPFW_VERBOSE_LIMIT but that could be changed to anything. That'

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Nate Williams
> > Again, it's not a fix, it's a feature. Not being able to mess with > > counters (logging or otherwise) is a feature. It may be a feature that > > you can do without, but that decision is not to be made lightly. > > I'm _saying_ to create a completely separa

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > > > > One could argue that accounting numbers in a firewall shouldn't be > > > > > trusted, but I won't argue that point since the firewall is often the > > > > > most 'natural' place to stick network accounting software. > > > > > > > > If you can't trust something in the kernel, then you jus

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Doug
On 27 Jul 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > I move that we replace GNU grep in our source tree with this > implementation, once it's been reviewed by all concerned parties. First, I'm all for this idea, and applaud you and Jamie for taking it on. I do have a few questions. Does POSIX sa

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Achim Patzner
> I'd like to see people other than you, I, and Matt discussing this. > Other people who use this feature of IPFW that have an opinion one way > or the other should speak up. I must admit being a bad boy - I'm using ipfw for firewalling and accounting: "log" rules for catching bad guys (and I'm n

Re: XFree 3.3.4 not on ftp.freebsd.org?

1999-07-27 Thread Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami
* From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" * Just to clear up a misconception; this isn't actually a sysinstall * problem. This is a ports bug which Satoshi or somebody introduced * when they added a dependency on the XFree86 port very prematurely. It * was premature because no actual package exists for

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Julian Elischer
a system wide limit and each rule's logging counter individually resetable back to 0. On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Joe Greco wrote: > > 1) Set a global VERBOSE_LIMIT mechanism and: > a) allow your logging counter to be reset, or > b) allow your limit to be raised to re-enable logging >

Re: VMWare plug/quickie tests.

1999-07-27 Thread Doug
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Kip Macy wrote: > Is there anyone in particular to whom we should write at VMWare? > I agree with his sentiments. I picked a likely looking name from the "contact us" page. Make sure that you only write if you are willing to pay for the product if they make it, and

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Nate Williams
> > > I like the ability at secure level 3 to only reset the counters forward.. > > > It fits in with such things as the "append only" flag. > > > > Then we'd have to implement per-rule counters that default to > > IPFW_VERBOSE_LIMIT but that could be changed to anything. That's a very > > differ

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Nate Williams
> > > > One could argue that accounting numbers in a firewall shouldn't be > > > > trusted, but I won't argue that point since the firewall is often the > > > > most 'natural' place to stick network accounting software. > > > > > > If you can't trust something in the kernel, then you just can't tr

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > > > > Again, it's not a fix, it's a feature. Not being able to mess with > > > > > counters (logging or otherwise) is a feature. It may be a feature that > > > > > > > > you can do without, but that decision is not to be made lightly. > > > > > > > > I'm _

Re: XFree 3.3.4 not on ftp.freebsd.org?

1999-07-27 Thread Doug
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > the parts that they need. However right after 3.2-R came out there was a > > flurry of -questions mail about broken pkg dependencies because sysinstall > > wasn't properly registering the X install. If the port depending on the > > Just to clear u

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Nate Williams
> > > > Again, it's not a fix, it's a feature. Not being able to mess with > > > > counters (logging or otherwise) is a feature. It may be a feature that > > > > > > you can do without, but that decision is not to be made lightly. > > > > > > I'm _saying_ to c

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > > Again, it's not a fix, it's a feature. Not being able to mess with > > > counters (logging or otherwise) is a feature. It may be a feature that > > > > you can do without, but that decision is not to be made lightly. > > > > I'm _saying_ to create a comp

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > > How do you figure? Currently, the kernel will quit 'logging' denied > > > packets when the counter reaches a specific (compiled-in) number. > > ^ > > Then what is > > > > net.inet.ip.fw.verbose_limit: 0 > > Well I'll be. You learn

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > I like the ability at secure level 3 to only reset the counters forward.. > > It fits in with such things as the "append only" flag. > > Then we'd have to implement per-rule counters that default to > IPFW_VERBOSE_LIMIT but that could be changed to anything. That's a very > different setup th

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > > > I like the ability at secure level 3 to only reset the counters forward.. > > > > It fits in with such things as the "append only" flag. > > > > > > Then we'd have to implement per-rule counters that default to > > > IPFW_VERBOSE_LIMIT but that could be changed to anything. That's a very

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > > You get *better* information on per-rule limits than on a global limit. > > > > No, you simply get a finer-grained ability to select. > > Which is almost always better. > > > > > If I'm an admin, I'm going to think "Well lets see, I want to store a > > > > month of bad packets in it. > > >

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Nate Williams
> > Again, it's not a fix, it's a feature. Not being able to mess with > > counters (logging or otherwise) is a feature. It may be a feature that > > you can do without, but that decision is not to be made lightly. > > I'm _saying_ to create a completely separ

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > > > > One could argue that accounting numbers in a firewall shouldn't be > > > > > trusted, but I won't argue that point since the firewall is often the > > > > > most 'natural' place to stick network accounting software. > > > > > > > > If you can't trust something in the kernel, then you ju

Re: XFree 3.3.4 not on ftp.freebsd.org?

1999-07-27 Thread Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami
* From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Just to clear up a misconception; this isn't actually a sysinstall * problem. This is a ports bug which Satoshi or somebody introduced * when they added a dependency on the XFree86 port very prematurely. It * was premature because no actual

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-27 Thread Julian Elischer
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Soren Schmidt wrote: > > > It seems Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > > > > I move that we replace GNU grep in our source tree with this > > > implementation, once it's been reviewed by all concerned parties. > > > > Go for it

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Nate Williams
> > > I like the ability at secure level 3 to only reset the counters forward.. > > > It fits in with such things as the "append only" flag. > > > > Then we'd have to implement per-rule counters that default to > > IPFW_VERBOSE_LIMIT but that could be changed to anything. That's a very > > diffe

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Nate Williams
> > > > One could argue that accounting numbers in a firewall shouldn't be > > > > trusted, but I won't argue that point since the firewall is often the > > > > most 'natural' place to stick network accounting software. > > > > > > If you can't trust something in the kernel, then you just can't t

Re: XFree 3.3.4 not on ftp.freebsd.org?

1999-07-27 Thread Doug
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > the parts that they need. However right after 3.2-R came out there was a > > flurry of -questions mail about broken pkg dependencies because sysinstall > > wasn't properly registering the X install. If the port depending on the > > Just to clear

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > > How do you figure? Currently, the kernel will quit 'logging' denied > > > packets when the counter reaches a specific (compiled-in) number. > > ^ > > Then what is > > > > net.inet.ip.fw.verbose_limit: 0 > > Well I'll be. You learn

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > I like the ability at secure level 3 to only reset the counters forward.. > > It fits in with such things as the "append only" flag. > > Then we'd have to implement per-rule counters that default to > IPFW_VERBOSE_LIMIT but that could be changed to anything. That's a very > different setup t

Re: securelevel and ipfw zero

1999-07-27 Thread Joe Greco
> > > You get *better* information on per-rule limits than on a global limit. > > > > No, you simply get a finer-grained ability to select. > > Which is almost always better. > > > > > If I'm an admin, I'm going to think "Well lets see, I want to store a > > > > month of bad packets in it. > >

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