Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-15 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
On 2013.07.15. 6:58, Hiroki Sato wrote: ga> The semantics of a title could be defined like a plain text title and ga> that would be a valid semantics, too. True, it is also possible to ga> solve it when rendering but if we decide that we don't want such in ga> titles, why not just changing the se

Re: Title formatting (was Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0)

2013-07-15 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
On 2013.07.14. 20:57, Warren Block wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: I find different fonts for filenames and commands to be useful, even in titles. The O'Reilly style guide doesn't mention anything about title styles, and in a quick search I did not find anything else. Ok, it

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-14 Thread Hiroki Sato
Gabor Kovesdan wrote in <51e2ea74.9070...@freebsd.org>: ga> >> It breaks the list. It is even worse in PDF rendering since there are ga> >> page boundaries and it breaks the page up to two parts. ga> > ga> > I see what you mean. But if we say "don't use admonitions in lists ga> > because they

Title formatting (was Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0)

2013-07-14 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: I find different fonts for filenames and commands to be useful, even in titles. The O'Reilly style guide doesn't mention anything about title styles, and in a quick search I did not find anything else. Ok, it doesn't specify it explicitly but can you

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-14 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
On 2013.07.14. 18:02, Warren Block wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: Em 14-07-2013 14:52, Warren Block escreveu: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: Some more things: - Admonitions (top, note, warning boxes) look quite strange in lists and such places. I think we sho

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-14 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: Em 14-07-2013 14:52, Warren Block escreveu: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: Some more things: - Admonitions (top, note, warning boxes) look quite strange in lists and such places. I think we should add a policy to avoid them and start c

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-14 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
Em 14-07-2013 14:52, Warren Block escreveu: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: Some more things: - Admonitions (top, note, warning boxes) look quite strange in lists and such places. I think we should add a policy to avoid them and start changing the markup. Admonitions are overuse

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-14 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: Some more things: - Admonitions (top, note, warning boxes) look quite strange in lists and such places. I think we should add a policy to avoid them and start changing the markup. Admonitions are overused in some places. They are visually jarring,

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-14 Thread Gábor Kövesdán
Some more things: - Admonitions (top, note, warning boxes) look quite strange in lists and such places. I think we should add a policy to avoid them and start changing the markup. - We extensively use markup in titles, which later renders with a different font. E.g. we mark the X of 9.X as r

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-10 Thread Alberto Mijares
>>> One more thing to discuss: shall we maintain the sect1, sect2, ... >>> elements >>> or just use section? The section element can have another section element >>> embedded and the numbering in the rendered version is inferred by the >>> level >>> of embedment. This is more uniform and less redun

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-10 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
Em 09-07-2013 20:49, Warren Block escreveu: The DocBook 5 book shows both forms. Converting to would be just a search and replace. Do we need to pick one method before the DockBook 5 version merge? No, it's true, we can also change that later. Gabor

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-10 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
Em 10-07-2013 00:10, Eitan Adler escreveu: top posting, really? >On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 3:56 AM, Gabor Kovesdan >>One more thing to discuss: shall we maintain the sect1, sect2, ... elements >>or just use section? How would this be rendered in HTML? Does this change anything? As already men

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-09 Thread Eitan Adler
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Alberto Mijares wrote: > IMHO, is a good thing to keep a visual clue of the level you are going > down while writing. So, should be kept, I think. top posting, really? > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 3:56 AM, Gabor Kovesdan >> One more thing to discuss: shall we main

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-09 Thread Warren Block
On Wed, 3 Jul 2013, Alberto Mijares wrote: On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 3:56 AM, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: Em 24-05-2013 19:35, Gabor Kovesdan escreveu: I'm working on upgrading our documentation set to DocBook 5.0 and I'd like to discuss some details. We have some customizations and strange uses, whic

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-03 Thread Alberto Mijares
IMHO, is a good thing to keep a visual clue of the level you are going down while writing. So, should be kept, I think. Regards Alberto Mijares On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 3:56 AM, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Em 24-05-2013 19:35, Gabor Kovesdan escreveu: >> >> I'm working on upgrading our documentatio

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-07-03 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
Em 24-05-2013 19:35, Gabor Kovesdan escreveu: I'm working on upgrading our documentation set to DocBook 5.0 and I'd like to discuss some details. We have some customizations and strange uses, which can be expressed with DocBook 5.0's own vocabulary. This upgrade is a good opportunity to change

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-06-19 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
Em 17-06-2013 22:05, Dru Lavigne escreveu: Can we have a summary for the FDP (and for the benefit of Handbook editors) of when/if systemitem class= should be used? Are there also systemitems for the different types of s which should be used instead? The systemitem element is documented well he

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-06-17 Thread Dru Lavigne
ga> Em 05-06-2013 14:10, Hiroki Sato escreveu: ga> > Gabor Kovesdan wrote ga> >in <519FA4FE.4030305 at FreeBSD.org>: ga> > ga> > ga> username --> systemitem class="username" ga> > ga> groupname --> systemitem class="groupname" ga> > ga> hostid role="fqdn" --> systemitem class="fqdomainname" ga

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-06-08 Thread Hiroki Sato
Gabor Kovesdan wrote in <51af556a.40...@freebsd.org>: ga> Em 05-06-2013 14:10, Hiroki Sato escreveu: ga> > Gabor Kovesdan wrote ga> >in <519fa4fe.4030...@freebsd.org>: ga> > ga> > ga> username --> systemitem class="username" ga> > ga> groupname --> systemitem class="groupname" ga> > ga> ho

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-06-05 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
Em 05-06-2013 14:10, Hiroki Sato escreveu: Gabor Kovesdan wrote in <519fa4fe.4030...@freebsd.org>: ga> username --> systemitem class="username" ga> groupname --> systemitem class="groupname" ga> hostid role="fqdn" --> systemitem class="fqdomainname" ga> hostid role="hostname" --> systemitem

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-06-05 Thread Hiroki Sato
Gabor Kovesdan wrote in <519fa4fe.4030...@freebsd.org>: ga> username --> systemitem class="username" ga> groupname --> systemitem class="groupname" ga> hostid role="fqdn" --> systemitem class="fqdomainname" ga> hostid role="hostname" --> systemitem class="fqdomainname" ga> hostid role="domainna

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-05-31 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
Em 28-05-2013 23:06, Gabor Kovesdan escreveu: I have a patch to preview how it would look like: http://kovesdan.org/patches/fbsd-docbook5.diff Please comment on this. It is very important to discuss this kind of changes. There are three more changes I would like to do. The maketarget and make

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-05-28 Thread Eitan Adler
On 29 May 2013 02:24, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 28 May 2013, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > >> I have a patch to preview how it would look like: >> http://kovesdan.org/patches/fbsd-docbook5.diff >> >> Please comment on this. It is very important to discuss this kind of >> changes. > > > I think that

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-05-28 Thread Warren Block
On Tue, 28 May 2013, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: I have a patch to preview how it would look like: http://kovesdan.org/patches/fbsd-docbook5.diff Please comment on this. It is very important to discuss this kind of changes. I think that keeping up with DocBook versions is important. Leaving out th

Re: RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-05-28 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
Em 24-05-2013 19:35, Gabor Kovesdan escreveu: I'm working on upgrading our documentation set to DocBook 5.0 and I'd like to discuss some details. We have some customizations and strange uses, which can be expressed with DocBook 5.0's own vocabulary. This upgrade is a good opportunity to change

RFC: Upgrading to DocBook 5.0

2013-05-24 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
Hi, I'm working on upgrading our documentation set to DocBook 5.0 and I'd like to discuss some details. We have some customizations and strange uses, which can be expressed with DocBook 5.0's own vocabulary. This upgrade is a good opportunity to change these, as well. I propose the following