panic on 5.2 BETA: blockable sleep lock

2003-11-25 Thread Stefan Ehmann
I got the following panic twice when starting xawtv using 5.2 BETA (CVS from Oct 23) panic: blockable sleep lock (sleep mutex) sellck @/usr/src/sys/kern/sys_generic.c:1145 I don't think it is directly related to bktr since the last commit there was ~3 months ago. Here is the dmesg output for compl

Re: How many bikesheds can _you_ build on a pin head ?

2003-11-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Andrew P. Lentvorski, Jr. " writes: >On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> I have for myself recently taken a break from all active FreeBSD >> development because I find the environment about as pleasant as a >> kindergarten right before lunch. > >Does

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Colin Percival
At 00:23 26/11/2003 -0500, Michael Edenfield wrote: Static /bin/sh: real385m29.977s user111m58.508s sys 93m14.450s Dynamic /bin/sh: real455m44.852s user113m17.807s sys 103m16.509s Given that user+sys << real in both cases, it looks like you're running out of m

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Michael Edenfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : * M. Warner Losh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031125 12:07]: : > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > "boyd, rounin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : > : i see that there some doubt about whether running lot

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Michael Edenfield
* M. Warner Losh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031125 12:07]: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "boyd, rounin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : i see that there some doubt about whether running lots of > : shell scripts ever happens. what happens when you > : use make? lots of shells get run

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Michael Edenfield
* boyd, rounin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031125 05:16]: > i see that there some doubt about whether running lots of > shell scripts ever happens. what happens when you > use make? lots of shells get run and they run small > (one line?) scripts. Just to provide some real-world numbers, here's what I g

Re: How to fix this in 5.1-REL??

2003-11-25 Thread Brooks Davis
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 06:51:15PM -0800, walt wrote: > Brooks Davis answered: > > walt asked: > >>What does 'buildworld' give us that the new kernel might need? > > >The correct toolchain including the compiler and config(8). > > Okay, thanks, that helps. > > Just thinking out loud about worst

Re: Modem(PCMCIA) works on 4.8, hangs machine on 5.2-BETA

2003-11-25 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Larry Rosenman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : sio2 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 11 flags 0x4 slot 0 on pccard0 : sio2: type 16550A : sio2: unable to activate interrupt in fast mode - using normal mode : The SIO2 is my Toshiba 3CXM056-BNW modem, and is what

Re: How to fix this in 5.1-REL??

2003-11-25 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> walt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : > ...Because changes are applied that will allow smooth upgrades : > when the kernel is built after the new system is built, but before it is : > installed, "make world" is increasingly unlikely to work... : : The recen

[ATAng?] ad1 disappeared again

2003-11-25 Thread NAKAJI Hiroyuki
Hi, I'm preparing new machine with 5-current. First, I installed a snapshot on Feb 21 2003. It works well. From the beginning of this week, I started updating it to the latest, and found the problem. The box is built with following parts. o ASUS P4G8X o P4 2.53GHz o 2GB memory o Seagate ST340810

Re: NSS and PAM, dynamic vs. static (was: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh)

2003-11-25 Thread Matthias Andree
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 02:00:08AM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote: > > As a user, I like /rescue better than the step-child that /stand/* used > > to be. It's part of the world, which /stand wasn't. > > Except that we still have /stand. It should be shot

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Wednesday 26 November 2003 13:25, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 03:07:55PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > What about the newer version of gcc? That is considerably slower than > > previous versions, but I don't see people screaming to have it removed. > > Uh... you must not k

Re: HEADS UP: /bin and /sbin are now dynamically linked

2003-11-25 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 03:48:57PM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > >>... I think [/rescue] only needs to support those > >>recovery actions necessary to repair /bin and /sbin if they break. > > > >My stance is that no failure mode needs to > >be repairable that wasn't repairable with a static /. > >

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 03:07:55PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > What about the newer version of gcc? That is considerably slower than > previous versions, but I don't see people screaming to have it removed. Uh... you must not know what you are talking about. GCC *COMPILES* slower as it does a

Re: [PATCH] libc_r bug: successful close(2) sets errno to ENOTTY

2003-11-25 Thread Terry Lambert
Stefan Farfeleder wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 07:05:02PM +0100, boyd, rounin wrote: > > From: "Jacques A. Vidrine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > The application is broken. You must only check errno if you get an > > > error indication from the library call. > > > > errno is only meaningful after

Re: How to fix this in 5.1-REL??

2003-11-25 Thread walt
Brooks Davis answered: walt asked: What does 'buildworld' give us that the new kernel might need? The correct toolchain including the compiler and config(8). Okay, thanks, that helps. Just thinking out loud about worst-case examples for people who do routinely use 'make world' (like I have for s

Re: rtld + static linking

2003-11-25 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 05:44:18PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > "E.B. Dreger" wrote: > > After watching the recent shared/dynamic threads, and reading the > > archives from five or six years ago, I have a question... > > > > Dynamic linking works by the kernel running the dynamic linker, > > whic

Re: NSS and PAM, dynamic vs. static (was: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh)

2003-11-25 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 02:00:08AM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote: > As a user, I like /rescue better than the step-child that /stand/* used > to be. It's part of the world, which /stand wasn't. Except that we still have /stand. It should be shot, but some won't let it go... ___

Re: Modem(PCMCIA) works on 4.8, hangs machine on 5.2-BETA

2003-11-25 Thread Larry Rosenman
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Larry Rosenman wrote: > I tried(!) to use the following modem on my 5.2-BETA (actually -CURRENT from > a week or so ago), and the machine HUNG on the OPEN. > > > usb0: USB revision 1.0 > usb1: USB revision 1.0 > fwohci0: OHCI version 1.0 (ROM=1) > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq

Re: rtld + static linking

2003-11-25 Thread Terry Lambert
"E.B. Dreger" wrote: > After watching the recent shared/dynamic threads, and reading the > archives from five or six years ago, I have a question... > > Dynamic linking works by the kernel running the dynamic linker, > which loads shared objects and fixes the symbol tables, yes? No. Dynamic link

Re: IPFW2 verrevpath issue (IPv4 TCP, fresh kernel)

2003-11-25 Thread Matthias Andree
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Sean Chittenden wrote: > > Is my expectation wrong or is there a pertinent IPFW2 bug in a current > > 5.2-BETA kernel? > > You're alone in this, though cjc hasn't been able to reproduce this. > Are you on a multi-homed system? -sc Sort of. I do have three xl(4) NICs in my s

5.2-BETA root mount failure

2003-11-25 Thread Jeroen Hogeveen
Gents, I'm having difficulties trying out the 5.2-BETA, preparing for the release. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone has some time at hand to help (re)solve a problem that occures with my 5.2-BETA kernel (26 nov 2003). The situation is the following: I have tried to upgrade a system (http

Re: IPFW2 verrevpath issue (IPv4 TCP, fresh kernel)

2003-11-25 Thread Sean Chittenden
> Is my expectation wrong or is there a pertinent IPFW2 bug in a current > 5.2-BETA kernel? You're alone in this, though cjc hasn't been able to reproduce this. Are you on a multi-homed system? -sc -- Sean Chittenden ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

NSS and PAM, dynamic vs. static (was: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh)

2003-11-25 Thread Matthias Andree
Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How much do you intend to use NSS for? I mean, what's the point of > adopting this cool infrastructure if all you are going to do with it > is make a better PAM out of it? The important thing is that NSS allows to plug modules such as LDAP

Modem(PCMCIA) works on 4.8, hangs machine on 5.2-BETA

2003-11-25 Thread Larry Rosenman
I tried(!) to use the following modem on my 5.2-BETA (actually -CURRENT from a week or so ago), and the machine HUNG on the OPEN. usb0: USB revision 1.0 usb1: USB revision 1.0 fwohci0: OHCI version 1.0 (ROM=1) sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: at port 0x2e

IPFW2 verrevpath issue (IPv4 TCP, fresh kernel)

2003-11-25 Thread Matthias Andree
Hi, I seem to have difficulties with verrevpath in IPFW2 (current kernel, cvsupped a few hours ago) which APPEARS to not match - or am I too whatever to configure ipfw2 properly? Excerpt from "ipfw show": | 0010038 3216 allow ip from any to any via lo0 | 00200 0 0 deny ip from any

lock order reversal

2003-11-25 Thread John
i was just looking through my daily reports from my new 5.2 beta box and found this in dmesg. lock order reversal 1st 0xc08f7ce0 UMA lock (UMA lock) @ /usr/src/sys/vm/uma_core.c:1201 2nd 0xc1031100 system map (system map) @ /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_map.c:2210 Stack backtrace: lock order reversal 1st

5.2-BETA root mount failure

2003-11-25 Thread Jeroen Hogeveen
Gents, (Firsthand I sorry if this E-Mail is sent twice to the list, got client rejected from mx1.) I'm having difficulties trying out the 5.2-BETA, preparing for the release. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone has some time at hand to help (re)solve a problem that occures with my 5.2-BETA

Re: Unfortunate dynamic linking for everything

2003-11-25 Thread Tim Kientzle
Tony Finch wrote: "Matthew D. Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not just the startup scripts, but ANY script. I dare say there's a long, long list of scripts that use ~-expansion, to say nothing of the homegrown ones we all have working quietly and forgotten for years. It's required for POSIX

Sound stop'd working after upgrade ...

2003-11-25 Thread Marc G. Fournier
I upgraded my machine shortly after those changes with statfs ... upgrade went well, but sound stop'd working ... the device is being detected: pcm0: port 0xe400-0xe43f,0xe000-0xe0ff mem 0xe0102000-0xe01020ff,0xe0101000-0xe01011ff irq 17 at device 31.5 on pci0 pcm0: and, from what I can tell,

Re: memory allocation issue loading a kernel module

2003-11-25 Thread Sean McNeil
Perfect!! This is exactly the thing I need. I will investigate. Memory is an option, but this project is pretty much done. Knowing how to do the bktr approach is something worth the excercise. More RAM won't teach me anything new ;-) Sean On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 16:09, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >

Re: memory allocation issue loading a kernel module

2003-11-25 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Tuesday 25 November 2003 18:43, Maxime Henrion wrote: > If I remember correctly, Alan Cox intended to write a binary buddy > allocator to handle the physical address space (or do coalescing another > way, I'm not sure...) so that this particular problem is solved. Another way to solve it is the

Re[2]: requesting vinum help

2003-11-25 Thread Max Laier
>> Could a vinum guru please contact me via email? >> >> I've lost 2 vinum volumes as a result of the latest fiasco and naturally >> am eager to figure out what's going on and recover the data. EA> This isn't necessarily directed at you - I'm just using this email as a EA> footstep to send this ge

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:48 PM -0800 2003/11/25, Matthew Dillon wrote: What I am advocating is that FreeBSD-5 not marginalize and restrict (make less flexible) basic infrastructure in order to get other infrastructure working. If you've got working, debugged code that works in the manner you

Re: requesting vinum help

2003-11-25 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Tuesday, 25 November 2003 at 10:48:44 -0600, Eric Anderson wrote: > >> Could a vinum guru please contact me via email? >> >> I've lost 2 vinum volumes as a result of the latest fiasco and naturally >> am eager to figure out what's going on and recover the data. > > This isn't necessarily directe

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 11:27 PM +0100 11/25/03, Brad Knowles wrote: At 11:50 AM -0800 2003/11/25, Matthew Dillon wrote: ... Or you can build an IPC mechanism that implements the PAM functionality and then have programs which would otherwise use PAM instead use the IPC mechanism. Which is the whole

Re: How to fix this in 5.1-REL??

2003-11-25 Thread Brooks Davis
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 03:35:54PM -0800, walt wrote: > Kevin Oberman wrote: > > >...Because changes are applied that will allow smooth upgrades > >when the kernel is built after the new system is built, but before it is > >installed, "make world" is increasingly unlikely to work... > > The recen

Re: How to fix this in 5.1-REL??

2003-11-25 Thread walt
Kevin Oberman wrote: ...Because changes are applied that will allow smooth upgrades when the kernel is built after the new system is built, but before it is installed, "make world" is increasingly unlikely to work... The recent statfs changes demonstrated why the 'makeworld' > 'makekernel' sequenc

Re: How many bikesheds can _you_ build on a pin head ?

2003-11-25 Thread Andrew P. Lentvorski, Jr.
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I have for myself recently taken a break from all active FreeBSD > development because I find the environment about as pleasant as a > kindergarten right before lunch. Does this mean GEOM has been orphaned? Who now has the mantle for it then? -a _

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Brad Knowles
At 11:50 AM -0800 2003/11/25, Matthew Dillon wrote: ... Or you can build an IPC mechanism that implements the PAM functionality and then have programs which would otherwise use PAM instead use the IPC mechanism. Which is the whole point of having the IPC mechanism in the first

Re: Intel SE7500WV2 not working with ACPI

2003-11-25 Thread Brooks Davis
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 12:12:16PM -0800, Nate Lawson wrote: > > acpi0: on motherboard > > ACPI-1287: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.SBRG.EC0_._REG] > > (Node 0xc29b4660), AE_NOT_EXIST > > acpi0: Could not initialise SystemIO handler: AE_NOT_EXIST > > device_probe_and_attach:

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Matthew Dillon
:No, what you said was "not to tear out..the ability to generate static :binaries". That's completely different, and is absolutely not what :has happened, or what is planned. Static binaries continue to be :supported, available, and work with the system NSS and PAM modules as :before. I thi

Re: pcm(4) related panic

2003-11-25 Thread Don Lewis
On 25 Nov, Don Lewis wrote: > On 25 Nov, Artur Poplawski wrote: >> Artur Poplawski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> On a 5.1-RE

Re: pcm(4) related panic

2003-11-25 Thread Don Lewis
On 25 Nov, Artur Poplawski wrote: > Artur Poplawski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> On a 5.1-RELEASE and 5.2-BETA machines I have

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 01:15:58PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > :> is the path you've chosen to go then you have an obligation not to > :> tear out major existing system capabilities, such as the ability to > :> generate static binaries, in the process. > : > :If this is what you t

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Jacques A. Vidrine
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 12:39:11PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote: > My original opinion > still stands... you guys are using this issue as an excuse to basically > do away with static binaries, rather then fixing the real problem which > is an inability to dynamically load modules in

Re: PII SMP system hangs during boot with ACPI enabled

2003-11-25 Thread John Polstra
On 24-Nov-2003 Nate Lawson wrote: > > Please also send the output of acpidump -t -d > jdp-P2.asl I booted the 5.1R live CD in an attempt to get this output. I discovered that the machine hangs the same way with 5.1R as it does with -current. (When I originally installed 5.1R, the machine had an

Re: [PATCH] libc_r bug: successful close(2) sets errno to ENOTTY

2003-11-25 Thread Jacques A. Vidrine
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 04:46:24PM +0200, Enache Adrian wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 a.d., Jacques A. Vidrine wrote: > > The application is broken. You must only check errno if you get an > > error indication from the library call. > > Sorry, but I don't see your point. I know when to check for

Re: pcm(4) related panic

2003-11-25 Thread Artur Poplawski
Artur Poplawski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > On a 5.1-RELEASE and 5.2-BETA machines I have been able to cause a panic > like this:

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> is the path you've chosen to go then you have an obligation not to :> tear out major existing system capabilities, such as the ability to :> generate static binaries, in the process. : :If this is what you think has happened, you're living in some parallel :fantasy universe. I

Re: [Me too]: rc scripts run double on boot?

2003-11-25 Thread Nate Lawson
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Marco Wertejuk wrote: > | Of course, make sure you don't have local changes in /etc/rc.d first. > > Shouldn't these be placed in /usr/local/etc/rc.d Sure. I was just being overly careful since I just suggested someone rm -rf a directory. -Nate ___

netgraph/ng_eiface double panic & turnstile/sio lock order reversal in 5.2-BETA

2003-11-25 Thread Robin Breathe
I've been experiencing a repeatable panic using ng_eiface(4) on -CURRENT of the last few days. Environment: FreeBSD twiddle.local 5.2-BETA FreeBSD 5.2-BETA #0: Tue Nov 25 19:28:22 UTC 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/data/work/usr/src/sys/TWIDDLE i386 Description: Shutting down an ng_eiface no

Re: [Me too]: rc scripts run double on boot?

2003-11-25 Thread Marco Wertejuk
| Of course, make sure you don't have local changes in /etc/rc.d first. Shouldn't these be placed in /usr/local/etc/rc.d -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Marco Wertejuk - mwcis.com Consulting & Internet Solutions ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 12:39:11PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote: > So, yes, I do think you guys are being lazy in that regard. If this > is the path you've chosen to go then you have an obligation not to > tear out major existing system capabilities, such as the ability to > genera

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Matt, I'm talking about the de facto standard NSS, as found in Solaris :and Linux; and now FreeBSD 5 [*] and soon NetBSD [**]. You are talking :about some better mousetrap. The latter does not have any relevance :to this thread, which is about dynamic linking in next release of :FreeBSD. : :If

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 07:36:45PM +0100, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > "Daniel O'Connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > What _REAL WORLD_ task does this slow down? > > I suspect 'make world' takes a serious hit. It does not (Warner has quoted numbers a few times now). Kris pgp0.pgp Descri

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Jacques A. Vidrine
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 11:50:25AM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote: > Just not thinking out of the box, maybe. Matt, I'm talking about the de facto standard NSS, as found in Solaris and Linux; and now FreeBSD 5 [*] and soon NetBSD [**]. You are talking about some better mousetrap. The latter doe

Re: Intel SE7500WV2 not working with ACPI

2003-11-25 Thread Nate Lawson
> acpi0: on motherboard > ACPI-1287: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.SBRG.EC0_._REG] (Node > 0xc29b4660), AE_NOT_EXIST > acpi0: Could not initialise SystemIO handler: AE_NOT_EXIST > device_probe_and_attach: acpi0 attach returned 6 This is the source of the problems. When acp

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Matthew Dillon
:IMHO, it makes more sense to write NSS modules that do their own :proxying than to make things even more complicated in libc. Those :that are lightweight don't carry extra baggage; those that do can :implement proxying in the most efficient manner for that particular :backend, e.g. some calls ca

Re: HEADS UP: /bin and /sbin are now dynamically linked

2003-11-25 Thread slave-mike
Would it be possible to get a copy of this script? Please! :) Matthew D. Fuller wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 02:41:44PM -0800 I heard the voice of David O'Brien, and lo! it spake thus: On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 04:07:49PM -0500, Michael Edenfield wrote: Would it be possible, through some make.co

Re: How to fix this in 5.1-REL??

2003-11-25 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:57:10 -0800 "Kevin Oberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now we are moving on to V5 and 'world' is growing increasingly dangerous > to use. Because changes are applied that will allow smooth upgrades > when the kernel is built after the new system is built, but before it is

Re: [Me too]: rc scripts run double on boot?

2003-11-25 Thread Nate Lawson
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, it was written: > On Tuesday 25 November 2003 18:35, Nate Lawson wrote: > > With a recent -current, I've noticed double prints for the last few > > rc scripts, like this: > > > > Starting cron. > > Local package initialization:. > > Local package initialization:. > > Additional

Re: NFS lockup issues & xl0 timeouts

2003-11-25 Thread Matt Smith
Update on xl0 issues and NFS issues: I unfortunatly left my realtek network card in work so I'll do this tomorrow night instead of tonight. But I've now installed the absolute latest world/kernel on both server and client again to see if the hang has gone. I have noticed the NFS transfer hangs

Re: HEADS UP: /bin and /sbin are now dynamically linked

2003-11-25 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 10:09 AM -0600 11/25/03, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2003, I heard the voice of David O'Brien, and lo! it spake thus: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003, Michael Edenfield wrote: > > > > Would it be possible, through some make.conf magic, for > > the end-user to set extra programs to be

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
"Daniel O'Connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What _REAL WORLD_ task does this slow down? I suspect 'make world' takes a serious hit. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/l

Intel SE7500WV2 not working with ACPI

2003-11-25 Thread Brooks Davis
Since the interrupt changes, my dual Xeons based on the SE7500WV2 board don't work with ACPI. Specificly, the onboard nics (em0 and em1) appear to not be recieving interupts. Instead, they continiously get watchdog timeouts. In a stock current, this is an instant panic. With a minor fix to the

rc scripts run double on boot?

2003-11-25 Thread Nate Lawson
With a recent -current, I've noticed double prints for the last few rc scripts, like this: Starting cron. Local package initialization:. Local package initialization:. Additional TCP options:. Additional TCP options:. Anyone else seeing this? -Nate ___

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "boyd, rounin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : i see that there some doubt about whether running lots of : shell scripts ever happens. what happens when you : use make? lots of shells get run and they run small : (one line?) scripts. make buildworld slow

Re: Unfortunate dynamic linking for everything

2003-11-25 Thread Tony Finch
Robert Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Someone must be using /bin/sh as a shell, because apparently someone >spent a lot of time adding things like character input editing, filename >completion, etc. We even use "sh" as the default in adduser(8). Command-line editing is required for POSIX co

Re: Unfortunate dynamic linking for everything

2003-11-25 Thread Tony Finch
"Matthew D. Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Not just the startup scripts, but ANY script. I dare say there's a long, >long list of scripts that use ~-expansion, to say nothing of the >homegrown ones we all have working quietly and forgotten for years. It's required for POSIX compliance. To

Re: How to fix this in 5.1-REL??

2003-11-25 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:47:29 +0300 > From: Odhiambo Washington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > * Kevin Oberman

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 9:19 AM -0600 11/25/03, Jacques A. Vidrine wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2003, Andrew Gallatin wrote: So can we just have a statically linked /bin/sh and get on with life? I still think we would be better off using 5.2-release for collecting more experience with the *operational* issues of having a dy

Re: requesting vinum help

2003-11-25 Thread Eric Anderson
Could a vinum guru please contact me via email? I've lost 2 vinum volumes as a result of the latest fiasco and naturally am eager to figure out what's going on and recover the data. This isn't necessarily directed at you - I'm just using this email as a footstep to send this general comment - I

requesting vinum help

2003-11-25 Thread Joel M. Baldwin
Could a vinum guru please contact me via email? I've lost 2 vinum volumes as a result of the latest fiasco and naturally am eager to figure out what's going on and recover the data. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/list

RE: 4 -> 5 Problem

2003-11-25 Thread Lawrence Farr
Err yes I did. Im trying to install a kernel. Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited > -Original Message- > From: Clement Laforet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25 November 2003 16:26 > To: Lawrence Farr > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: 4 -> 5 Problem > > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:18:

Re: 4 -> 5 Problem

2003-11-25 Thread Clement Laforet
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:18:26 - "Lawrence Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the Current target machine is from Thu Sep 25 14:32:19 GMT 2003, > the stable one from Mon Mar 24 16:30:45 GMT 2003, and the > src and obj are fresh from last night. did you read /usr/src/UPDATING ? 20031112:

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jacques A. Vidrine" wri tes: > So can we just have a statically linked /bin/sh and get on with life? I was thinking the same thing myself a few days ago. Cheers, -- Cy Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://www.komquats.com/ BC Government

4 -> 5 Problem

2003-11-25 Thread Lawrence Farr
I build 5-CURRENT every night, and NFS export src and obj to my other CURRENT machines to update. I've been doing this quite happily this way for a while. When I try to do an installkernel on a stable machine, I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src# make installkernel Bad system call (core dumped) ***

Re: HEADS UP: /bin and /sbin are now dynamically linked

2003-11-25 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 02:41:44PM -0800 I heard the voice of David O'Brien, and lo! it spake thus: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 04:07:49PM -0500, Michael Edenfield wrote: > > > > Would it be possible, through some make.conf magic, for the end-user to > > set extra programs to be put into /rescue tha

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Jacques A. Vidrine writes: > > So can we just have a statically linked /bin/sh and get on with life? That certainly seems like the best compromise. Then we can end this thread ;) > That seems to have the most impact. We can also expend our efforts > to improve dynamic linking performance

RE: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Guy Helmer
Jacques A. Vidrine wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 10:06:12PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > How about Gordon's initial bootstone, which increased by 25%? > > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?16091.44150.539095.704531 > > > > And I just did a "make clean" run in /usr/ports/archivers (by man

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Jacques A. Vidrine
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 08:22:52PM -0600, David Leimbach wrote: > Yep :). > > I feel like saying "set the default to static and make the dynamic bins > the option" so > the people who can't be bothered to compile their own system even > though everyone > I know does this for tuning purposes anyw

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Jacques A. Vidrine
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 10:06:12PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > How about Gordon's initial bootstone, which increased by 25%? > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?16091.44150.539095.704531 > > And I just did a "make clean" run in /usr/ports/archivers (by manually > mv'ing a static and dynamic

pcm(4) related panic

2003-11-25 Thread Artur Poplawski
Hello, On a 5.1-RELEASE and 5.2-BETA machines I have been able to cause a panic like this:

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Jacques A. Vidrine
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 07:11:29PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote: > You don't need dynamic loading to get nsswitch type functionality. You > only need dynamic loading if nobody is willing to write an IPC > model to get the functionality. It's really silly to create such a > fundamen

Cardbus cards break bge0

2003-11-25 Thread Eric Anderson
I recently cvsup'ed (last week anyway), and build/installed world/kernel etc. Now, when I connect a cardbus card (firewire cards, ethernet, wireless, etc), my broadcom bge0 interface goes crazy, stops functioning, and I get this: Nov 19 10:18:32 neutrino kernel: cardbus0: Resource not specifie

Re: How to fix this in 5.1-REL??

2003-11-25 Thread Odhiambo Washington
* Kevin Oberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20031125 02:39]: wrote: > > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 06:07:03 -0800 > > From: Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS > > Content-Type: text/p

Re: [PATCH] libc_r bug: successful close(2) sets errno to ENOTTY

2003-11-25 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Enache Adrian wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 a.d., Jacques A. Vidrine wrote: > > The application is broken. You must only check errno if you get an > > error indication from the library call. > > Sorry, but I don't see your point. I know when to check for errno. > If you took

Re: panic: sleeping without a mutex (acd related)

2003-11-25 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 11:21:03AM +0100, Christian Laursen wrote: +> I have been experiencing some random lockups after upgrading from +> 5.1-RELEASE to 5.2-BETA. +> +> I then wen on and enabled all the debug options in my kernel config +> hoping to be able to find the cause. +> +> But now I can

Re: [PATCH] libc_r bug: successful close(2) sets errno to ENOTTY

2003-11-25 Thread Enache Adrian
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 a.d., Jacques A. Vidrine wrote: > The application is broken. You must only check errno if you get an > error indication from the library call. Sorry, but I don't see your point. I know when to check for errno. If you took the little illustrating program for a real life exampl

Re: WITHOUT_DYNAMICROOT vs. NO_DYNAMICROOT

2003-11-25 Thread Simon L. Nielsen
On 2003.11.25 12:52:03 +0100, Schuendehuette Matthias wrote: > Hi, > > There's a bug in the release notes of CURRENT: > > In Chapter 2.3 "Userland Changes" of the ReleaseNotes of CURRENT I read > about the Makefile variable WITHOUT_DYNAMICROOT whereas > /usr/src/Makefile.inc1 wants -DNO_DYNAMICRO

WITHOUT_DYNAMICROOT vs. NO_DYNAMICROOT

2003-11-25 Thread Schuendehuette Matthias
Hi, There's a bug in the release notes of CURRENT: In Chapter 2.3 "Userland Changes" of the ReleaseNotes of CURRENT I read about the Makefile variable WITHOUT_DYNAMICROOT whereas /usr/src/Makefile.inc1 wants -DNO_DYNAMICROOT. It should be corrected in the ReleaseNotes (IMHO) mit freundliche

Operating system advocacy (Was: Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh)

2003-11-25 Thread Mark Murray
Matthew Dillon writes: > Hmm. Well, I think there's some confusion here. While I > certainly like my vision for DFly better then I like the vision > for FreeBSD-5, that is simply in the eye of the beholder... of > course I am going to like my own vision better. It's my vision, >

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread boyd, rounin
> That's a more interesting result and more comparable to Drew's test. > It doesn't necessarily invalidate Drew's results - /bin/sh has 3 > shared libraries and is locale-aware whereas /usr/bin/test has 1 > shared library and doesn't rely on the locale. /usr/bin/true is also > significantly smalle

panic: sleeping without a mutex (acd related)

2003-11-25 Thread Christian Laursen
I have been experiencing some random lockups after upgrading from 5.1-RELEASE to 5.2-BETA. I then wen on and enabled all the debug options in my kernel config hoping to be able to find the cause. But now I cannot boot at all. In the end of the boot process when detecting ATA drives, I get this:

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread boyd, rounin
i see that there some doubt about whether running lots of shell scripts ever happens. what happens when you use make? lots of shells get run and they run small (one line?) scripts. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/lis

Re: [PATCH] libc_r bug: successful close(2) sets errno to ENOTTY

2003-11-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "boyd, rounin" write s: >From: "Stefan Farfeleder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > errno is meaningful for syscalls after an error (the original >> > message). The fact that other functions also dink with errno is not >> > relevant to that statement. >> >> I read boyd's s

Re: [PATCH] libc_r bug: successful close(2) sets errno to ENOTTY

2003-11-25 Thread boyd, rounin
From: "Stefan Farfeleder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > errno is meaningful for syscalls after an error (the original > > message). The fact that other functions also dink with errno is not > > relevant to that statement. > > I read boyd's statement as a contradiction to Jacques' one (only after > sysc

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Erik H. Bakke
On Tuesday 25 November 2003 03:07, Don Lewis wrote: > On 25 Nov, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On Tuesday 25 November 2003 11:52, Dan Nelson wrote: > > > > I'd greatly prefer that the the dynamic root default be backed out > > > > > >> > > until a substantial amount of this performance can be recove

Re: 40% slowdown with dynamic /bin/sh

2003-11-25 Thread Matthew Dillon
:... :5.x and propaganda about DFBSD doesn't really mean a whole lot, unless you :are looking for new recruits to your camp. In any case, you've made your :point on a nearly daily basis that 5.x is inferior to what DFBSD will be, :and that you don't have much knowledge or care about 5.x anyways.

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