On Sat, May 21, 2011 13:44, Bernd Kreuss wrote:
> On 21.05.2011 12:59, Jonas Maebe wrote:
>
>> They don't want to force everyone to install firebird, mysql,
>> postgresql, ptcgraph, gtk, gtk2, qt and every other single thing for
>> which FPC has bindings.
>
> "force" is the keyword here. The entire
On 5/21/2011 1:44 PM, Bernd Kreuss wrote:
> They are first making up a non-existing problem (people being "forced"
> to do something they allegedly don't want, although we all know the
> opposite is true and people *always* want a complete and painless
> install to avoid all sorts of problems) and
On 21 May 2011 12:44, Bernd Kreuss wrote:
> On 21.05.2011 12:59, Jonas Maebe wrote:
>
>> They don't want to force everyone to install firebird, mysql, postgresql,
>> ptcgraph, gtk, gtk2, qt and every other single thing for which FPC has
>> bindings.
>
> "force" is the keyword here. The entire fo
On 5/21/2011 1:19 PM, Rainer Stratmann wrote:
>> They are typical dpkg messages. This is pretty normal when installing
>> deb packages manually. That is not specific to Lazarus or FPC.
>> The problem is that the tar contains *all* packages, but
>> normally you don't want to install all of them. A R
Am Saturday 21 May 2011 13:44:10 schrieb Bernd Kreuss:
> On 21.05.2011 12:59, Jonas Maebe wrote:
> > They don't want to force everyone to install firebird, mysql, postgresql,
> > ptcgraph, gtk, gtk2, qt and every other single thing for which FPC has
> > bindings.
>
> "force" is the keyword here. Th
On 21.05.2011 12:59, Jonas Maebe wrote:
> They don't want to force everyone to install firebird, mysql, postgresql,
> ptcgraph, gtk, gtk2, qt and every other single thing for which FPC has
> bindings.
"force" is the keyword here. The entire following rant refers to only
this one word:
Its not
>
> You owe my parents a new table now. I broke it when my head made contact
> with it.
>
...or you head is too strong...
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Am Saturday 21 May 2011 13:28:03 schrieb Vinzent Höfler:
> On Sat, 21 May 2011 13:19:35 +0200, Rainer Stratmann
>
> wrote:
> > Am Saturday 21 May 2011 12:21:54 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
> >> They are typical dpkg messages. This is pretty normal when installing
> >> deb packages manually. That is n
On Sat, 21 May 2011 13:19:35 +0200, Rainer Stratmann
wrote:
Am Saturday 21 May 2011 12:21:54 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
They are typical dpkg messages. This is pretty normal when installing
deb packages manually. That is not specific to Lazarus or FPC.
The problem is that the tar contains *a
Am Saturday 21 May 2011 12:21:54 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
> On Sat, 21 May 2011 11:57:42 +0200
>
> Rainer Stratmann wrote:
> > Am Saturday 21 May 2011 11:29:34 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
> > > On Sat, 21 May 2011 12:12:59 +0300
> > >
> > > "Juha (gmail)" wrote:
> > > >[...]
> > > >
> > > > > When
On Sat, 21 May 2011 12:58:56 +0200
Bernd Kreuss wrote:
> On 21.05.2011 12:21, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
> A README.txt would
> > help. For example:
> > If you want to install the gtk2 version of Lazarus use:
>
> A shell script that installs them in the correct order.
dpkg will order them for you
On 21 May 2011, at 12:54, Bernd Kreuss wrote:
> There exists a debian policy to split a large package into some randomly
> chosen smaller ones although *none* of them can ever be used
> individually without *all* others?
It's not true that none of them can be used without all others. And afaik t
On 21.05.2011 12:21, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
A README.txt would
> help. For example:
> If you want to install the gtk2 version of Lazarus use:
A shell script that installs them in the correct order.
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On 21.05.2011 12:11, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
>> The thing I have never understood is why it split into a myriad of
>> different .deb files
>
> Because of Debian policies.
There exists a debian policy to split a large package into some randomly
chosen smaller ones although *none* of them can ever
On Sat, 21 May 2011 11:57:42 +0200
Rainer Stratmann wrote:
> Am Saturday 21 May 2011 11:29:34 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
> > On Sat, 21 May 2011 12:12:59 +0300
> >
> > "Juha (gmail)" wrote:
> > >[...]
> > >
> > > > When trying to update the new lazarus and fpc binaries with deb
> > > > packages I
On Sat, 21 May 2011 11:47:28 +0200
Bernd Kreuss wrote:
> On 21.05.2011 11:29, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 May 2011 12:12:59 +0300
> > "Juha (gmail)" wrote:
> >
> >> [...]
> >>> When trying to update the new lazarus and fpc binaries with deb packages I
> >>> got in trouble with depend
Am Saturday 21 May 2011 11:29:34 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
> On Sat, 21 May 2011 12:12:59 +0300
>
> "Juha (gmail)" wrote:
> >[...]
> >
> > > When trying to update the new lazarus and fpc binaries with deb
> > > packages I got in trouble with dependancies. Then I abort it.
>
> What troubles?
>
> >
Am Saturday 21 May 2011 11:47:28 schrieb Bernd Kreuss:
> On 21.05.2011 11:29, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 May 2011 12:12:59 +0300
> >
> > "Juha (gmail)" wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>> When trying to update the new lazarus and fpc binaries with deb
> >>> packages I got in trouble with depe
Mattias Gaertner kirjoitti lauantai, 21. toukokuuta 2011 12:29:34:
> "Juha (gmail)" wrote:
> > Yes. Based on forum posts updating causes more problems, also when
> > updating between releases, not only when compiling from svn sources.
>
> What problems?
> Please name a specific problem, so we can
On 21.05.2011 11:29, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
> On Sat, 21 May 2011 12:12:59 +0300
> "Juha (gmail)" wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>> When trying to update the new lazarus and fpc binaries with deb packages I
>>> got in trouble with dependancies. Then I abort it.
>
> What troubles?
The thing I have never un
On Sat, 21 May 2011 12:12:59 +0300
"Juha (gmail)" wrote:
>[...]
> > When trying to update the new lazarus and fpc binaries with deb packages I
> > got in trouble with dependancies. Then I abort it.
What troubles?
> Yes. Based on forum posts updating causes more problems, also when updating
>
Rainer Stratmann kirjoitti lauantai, 21. toukokuuta 2011 11:32:46:
> Easy installation and handling is always very important.
> Otherwise it can become boring very fast, even if one is a technical
> specialist.
>
> Huge downloads are easy to handle these days.
True. Most people have fast internet
Am Saturday 21 May 2011 10:22:53 schrieb Florian Klämpfl:
> > Anyway, I feel that easy installation and update is the "killer feature"
> > for new people who want to try FPC/Lazarus but don't want to spend much
> > time with it.
>
> Huge downloads might be also a killer ;)
>
> > They move on if the
Am 21.05.2011 10:12, schrieb Juha (gmail):
> Mattias Gaertner kirjoitti lauantai, 21. toukokuuta 2011 10:47:44:
>>> A typical one is:
>>> can't find unit xxx needed by unit yyy.
>>
>> There are more than 20 reasons for this. I started a page for this.
>> Feel free to improve the page.
>> http://w
Mattias Gaertner kirjoitti lauantai, 21. toukokuuta 2011 10:47:44:
> > A typical one is:
> > can't find unit xxx needed by unit yyy.
>
> There are more than 20 reasons for this. I started a page for this.
> Feel free to improve the page.
> http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Unit_not_found_-_How_
On Fri, 20 May 2011 20:43:01 +0300
"Juha (gmail)" wrote:
> Mattias Gaertner kirjoitti perjantai, 20. toukokuuta 2011 15:16:30:
> > "Juha (gmail)" hat am 20. Mai 2011 um 13:07
> > > Installing and updating both FPC and Lazarus is still a major obstacle
> > > for many people. We must improve th
Mattias Gaertner kirjoitti perjantai, 20. toukokuuta 2011 15:16:30:
> "Juha (gmail)" hat am 20. Mai 2011 um 13:07
> > Installing and updating both FPC and Lazarus is still a major obstacle
> > for many people. We must improve things to make the first impression
> > smoother.
>
> For example?
"Juha (gmail)" hat am 20. Mai 2011 um 13:07
geschrieben:
> Jonas Maebe kirjoitti perjantai, 20. toukokuuta 2011 13:52:22:
> > If you want the source, choose "Source" instead of "Win32".
>
> Ok, right too many links.
> Now i realized that all the mirrors give direct links to source
On 20 May 2011, at 13:07, Juha (gmail) wrote:
> Jonas Maebe kirjoitti perjantai, 20. toukokuuta 2011 13:52:22:
>> If you want the source, choose "Source" instead of "Win32".
>
> Ok, right too many links.
> Now i realized that all the mirrors give direct links to source packages,
> only
> t
Jonas Maebe kirjoitti perjantai, 20. toukokuuta 2011 13:52:22:
> If you want the source, choose "Source" instead of "Win32".
Ok, right too many links.
Now i realized that all the mirrors give direct links to source packages, only
the first SourceForge link has everything included.
The source
On 20 May 2011, at 12:50, Juha (gmail) wrote:
> Jonas Maebe kirjoitti tiistai, 10. toukokuuta 2011 01:16:38:
>> On 10 May 2011, at 00:14, Juha (gmail) wrote:
>>> Maybe I am stupid but I don't know how to download FPC 2.4.2 sources,
>>> without using SVN repository.
>>
>> http://www.freepascal.or
Jonas Maebe kirjoitti tiistai, 10. toukokuuta 2011 01:16:38:
> On 10 May 2011, at 00:14, Juha (gmail) wrote:
> > Maybe I am stupid but I don't know how to download FPC 2.4.2 sources,
> > without using SVN repository.
>
> http://www.freepascal.org/download.var -> Source (under the links to the
> Bi
On 10 May 2011, at 00:14, Juha (gmail) wrote:
> Maybe I am stupid but I don't know how to download FPC 2.4.2 sources, without
> using SVN repository.
http://www.freepascal.org/download.var -> Source (under the links to the
Binaries)
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