On 5/21/2011 1:44 PM, Bernd Kreuss wrote: > They are first making up a non-existing problem (people being "forced" > to do something they allegedly don't want, although we all know the > opposite is true and people *always* want a complete and painless > install to avoid all sorts of problems) and then they are presenting the
I can refute your point about people always wanting complete installs by simply referring to myself. How do you know what all users of FPC/Laz always want? > Just ignore what they [Debian] want. It is not relevant what they > believe (or guess) what your users might want. Don't let them damage the > usability and the reputation by listening to them and wasting time > solving their fantasy problems while this is leading to the creation new > and very real problems. The sheer existence of this thread (and other > threads like this and many more) is testifying this. Debian (and its derivates, to varying degrees) has one big advantage, viz. its consistent and disciplined package management. I don't see how giving a damn about their good practices and policies would help to promote a comparatively small project. > The Debian maintainers have no expertise in judging what the users of a > given software really *want*, especially if they don't use it > themselves. Simply ignore them. Their opinion does not matter. They will > accept the big package. Don't bow to them, they want something from you, > not the other way around! I don't see the problem. FPC/Laz users get what they want on Debian etc. It's just a matter of how you get it. And once again, I want to stress that statements like "Their opinion does not matter." are not only not helpful, but I guess also wrong in the sense that it does very much matter. > The windows installer of Lazarus clearly shows how usability looks like. > This is what users want! There is no reason why this should not be > possible on Debian also. If Debian policies (or like in this case not > even the written policies themselves but only the beliefs of some > overzealous Debian maintainers) are the only thing preventing usability > from coming true then to hell with them. I'm not going to refute those universal statements again. The only thing I can think of that would be a (rather insignificant) usability improvement for Debian packages would be to have a repository for daily FPC/Laz snapshots. Otherwise things have always been fine for me. Best Roland _______________________________________________ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
