Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-11-15 Thread Steve Litt via fpc-pascal
Rainer Stratmann via fpc-pascal said on Sat, 19 Oct 2024 16:15:10 +0200 >I really can not see where beginners have to struggle with memory >management. If a project gets bigger you have to think about it, yes. >It depends on the coding style. In my project I wrote my own memory >management for the

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-11-15 Thread Steve Litt via fpc-pascal
Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal said on Thu, 17 Oct 2024 09:10:54 +0200 (CEST) >My wife creates websites for a living. >I nearly had to re-animate her after she looked at the FPC website. >The FPC website is a no-go area for her since that time. Exactly what should a FreePascal website have i

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-11-15 Thread Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal
On 11/16/24 3:45 AM, Tim Coates via fpc-pascal wrote: I am a little on the fence regarding the comment re neither fish or fowl... each developer does their own thing in the language - whether that is writing something for platform X or working on database Y etc. Resources for learning are fe

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-11-15 Thread Tim Coates via fpc-pascal
Consistency also helps... A web site, wiki and documentation in html, all with different appearances does not help the end user. but it is hard and a thankless task as well. That there is information available is a boon. On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 10:25 AM DougC via fpc-pascal < fpc-pascal@lists.fr

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-11-15 Thread Tim Coates via fpc-pascal
I am a little on the fence regarding the comment re neither fish or fowl... each developer does their own thing in the language - whether that is writing something for platform X or working on database Y etc. Resources for learning are few and far between if you can find them. If you wanted to lea

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-11-15 Thread DougC via fpc-pascal
I'm tempted to ask if you are seriously asking this. But I won't. Design is a whole professional specialty. To say it boils down to light vs. dark background or the amount of whitespace is to insult those who do this work as a career. I'm sure you aren't trying to do that, so I'm not sure what

Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-11-15 Thread Steve Litt via fpc-pascal
Sven Barth via fpc-pascal said on Thu, 17 Oct 2024 14:17:23 +0200 >Probably something like the std::*_ptr (shared, unique, auto, etc.) >from C++ could be implemented in FPC. Main point missing for a >convenient solution would be a mechanism so that e.g. classes could be >accessed as is from such t

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-11-15 Thread Steve Litt via fpc-pascal
Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal said on Thu, 17 Oct 2024 11:20:15 +0300 >> I also agree. Unfortunately, as I said, compiler developers don't >> make good web designers. >> >> Examples for bad sites (I'm repeating myself, I know): >> >> https://gcc.gnu.org/ >> >> https://llvm.org/ >> >> But this ti

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-11-15 Thread Steve Litt via fpc-pascal
Sven Barth via fpc-pascal said on Thu, 17 Oct 2024 07:46:22 +0200 >Am 17.10.2024 um 01:51 schrieb Rainer Stratmann via fpc-pascal: >> Am Donnerstag, 17. Oktober 2024, 00:08:27 CEST schrieb Sven Barth >> via fpc- pascal: >>> News flash: this is how well behaved Linux applications are >>> supposed

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-11-15 Thread geneb via fpc-pascal
On 11/15/2024 7:36 AM, Hairy Pixels via fpc-pascal wrote: On Nov 15, 2024 at 9:23:41 PM, Steve Litt via fpc-pascal wrote: First of all, Joanna on #fpc (and other fpc related IRC channels) has blown off over 100 potential fpc users, including myself. I'm learning Ada now, and liking it a lot.

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-11-15 Thread Hairy Pixels via fpc-pascal
On Nov 15, 2024 at 9:23:41 PM, Steve Litt via fpc-pascal < fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org> wrote: > First of all, Joanna on #fpc (and other fpc related IRC channels) has > blown off over 100 potential fpc users, including myself. I'm learning > Ada now, and liking it a lot. > what authority doe

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-11-15 Thread Steve Litt via fpc-pascal
Rainer Stratmann via fpc-pascal said on Wed, 16 Oct 2024 01:07:58 +0200 >At the Lazarus Congress in Cologne in October 2024, it ended up being >very interesting. An important question came up. > >Why are no new users coming to Lazarus/Freepascal? >Why do we find it so difficult? >How can we get ne

Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-11-15 Thread Steve Litt via fpc-pascal
Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal said on Wed, 16 Oct 2024 12:44:35 +0300 >Do you have a garbage collection proposal for Pascal? > >Free Pascal has a JVM target that supports garbage collection and >pretty much nobody is using it. Why do you think that is? This is what I meant in my previous post.