Op Tue, 14 Aug 2007, schreef Vinzent Hoefler:
> On Tuesday 14 August 2007 06:14, Daniël Mantione wrote:
>
> > Lastly, pre and post conditions are just another runtime check.
>
> No. If you can prove that the conditions always hold, you don't even
> need to compile to the program to prove its
> http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2007/08/10/house-of-lords-inquiry-personal-internet-security/
>
> Quote:
>
> "The third area, and this is where the committee has been most far-sighted,
> and therefore in the short term this may well be their most controversial
> recommendation, is that they
On Tuesday 14 August 2007 06:14, Daniël Mantione wrote:
> Lastly, pre and post conditions are just another runtime check.
No. If you can prove that the conditions always hold, you don't even
need to compile to the program to prove its correctness.
There's a company already doing that:
http://w
Op Mon, 13 Aug 2007, schreef JK Smith at Grid-Sky:
> As I mentioned before, assuming some degree of liability for your work is on
> the horizon.
>
> From
> http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2007/08/10/house-of-lords-inquiry-personal-internet-security/
>
> Quote:
>
> "The third area, and this
As I mentioned before, assuming some degree of liability for your work is on
the horizon.
From
http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2007/08/10/house-of-lords-inquiry-personal-internet-security/
Quote:
"The third area, and this is where the committee has been most far-sighted,
and therefore in the
In fpmkunit.pp I found the function FixPath for which I don't understand
the exact purpose of. What happens is that if I issue an install command
the BaseInstallDir takes the FPCDIR env variable (which is c:\fpc in my
case) (line 1472). This value is then passed on to FixPath which
converts all
Hi,
Has anybody managed to use Xprint (under Linux or any other *nix
environment) with Free Pascal?
Regards,
- Graeme -
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I am doing two free-lance projects at the moment for two clients. One
insists that I use C++ and Qt. When I suggested Delphi (I started this 5
years ago) he was offended. The other client didn't care. When I told
him about installation of one singe EXE (no libraries, dll's and other
dependencie
Op Mon, 13 Aug 2007, schreef Michael Van Canneyt:
> Obviously their clients have more sense than this company does...
Mod up +1 Insightfull...
Yes, this is the whole point, end users like Pascal applications more than
Java applications. (Because their are faster, use les smemory,
install eas
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Tom Walsh wrote:
> ik wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I wonder how can we make Pascal and FPC more attractive to people, and
> > I believe in what Donal Knuth have said:
> >
> > "The most important thing in the programming language is the name. A
> > language will not succeed without
Tom Walsh schrieb:
> ik wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder how can we make Pascal and FPC more attractive to people, and
>> I believe in what Donal Knuth have said:
>>
>> "The most important thing in the programming language is the name. A
>> language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently
Bisma Jayadi wrote:
This project is with a company that just spent 4+ million USD on a
Java solution (client and server side) to replace all their old
Pascal code, then, their clients told them they didn't like the Java
solution, that they wanted to keep using the Pascal stuff!
Isn't Java als
This project is with a company that just spent 4+ million USD on a
Java solution (client and server side) to replace all their old Pascal
code, then, their clients told them they didn't like the Java solution,
that they wanted to keep using the Pascal stuff!
Isn't Java also free? :-P
Oh, and
ik wrote:
Hi,
I wonder how can we make Pascal and FPC more attractive to people, and
I believe in what Donal Knuth have said:
"The most important thing in the programming language is the name. A
language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently
invented a very good name and now I a
JK Smith at Grid-Sky wrote:
At any rate, I've found that while you or I might be very diligent at
explicitly freeing resources, on a complicated system, some programmers
simply are not, and we have to work with these programmers.
The point is, the traditional software warranties won't be toler
On 13/08/07, Marco van de Voort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> One can develop FPC for OSX with Carbon too. (and that is done, e.g. Pixel).
>
And hopefully not to far in the future using fpGUI as well. :-)
Graeme.
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It makes better sense when you put it that way.
Cheers,
Mark.
Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Marco van de Voort wrote:
On 8/13/07, Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
place.
If you do happen to make money on the side with it: congratulations.
But d
I have a lot more examples of such problems using the "Pascal" and the
way it "sounds"...
And in the bottom line, it's all about marketing.
It would probably help if it had a name other than "Free". It refers to
free as in OS, of course, but many people read it as "free" (as in beer)
a
But do not expect us to change our motivation.
This is one of many reasons why I trust FPC over Delphi (Borland/CodeGear):
the great and noble motivation of the core developers. I do respect such
motivation. Not many developers are able to survive with such motivation. In
many cases, such mot
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Marco van de Voort wrote:
> > On 8/13/07, Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > place.
> > >
> > > If you do happen to make money on the side with it: congratulations.
> > >
> > > But do not expect business arguments to have any influence whatsoever
> > > on t
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, ik wrote:
> > People forget the bottom line; FPC and Lazarus are HOBBY projects
> > for the core developers. We do not want or need to make money with
> > them. Otherwise we would not have made it open source in the first
> > place.
> >
> > If you do happen to make money on
> On 8/13/07, Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > place.
> >
> > If you do happen to make money on the side with it: congratulations.
> >
> > But do not expect business arguments to have any influence whatsoever
> > on the core developers. That includes name changes, which are simply
On 8/13/07, Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, ik wrote:
>
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> >
> > I have a lot more examples of such problems using the "Pascal" and the
> > way it "sounds"...
> >
> > And in the bottom line, it's all about marketing.
>
> For business mayb
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> >> I was doing some tests with fpmake and came across what appears to be
>> an
>> >> inconsistency.
>> >>
>> >> When fpmaking a program a units/cpu-os is created but the commandline
>> >> parameters for FPC are "-FE." which causes the tool an
Vincent Snijders wrote:
Weyert de Boer schreef:
Puff, Delphi IDE is way faster then Lazarus. Beside of the need of
that idiotic X11 under MacOSX. I will just develop my applications in
Mono together with Cocoa# this works perfectly well together with
Chrome. :)
Nothing, indeed. I don't think
> Puff, Delphi IDE is way faster then Lazarus. Beside of the need of that
> idiotic X11 under MacOSX. I will just develop my applications in Mono
> together with Cocoa# this works perfectly well together with Chrome. :)
Is that combination (C#/Mono-Cocoa#) portable? It is not fair to compare a
p
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> I was doing some tests with fpmake and came across what appears to be an
> >> inconsistency.
> >>
> >> When fpmaking a program a units/cpu-os is created but the commandline
> >> parameters for FPC are "-FE." which causes the tool and possible ot
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, ik wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
>
> I have a lot more examples of such problems using the "Pascal" and the
> way it "sounds"...
>
> And in the bottom line, it's all about marketing.
For business maybe.
People forget the bottom line; FPC and Lazarus are HOBBY projects
for the
Vincent Snijders schrieb:
> Weyert de Boer schreef:
>> Puff, Delphi IDE is way faster then Lazarus. Beside of the need of
>> that idiotic X11 under MacOSX. I will just develop my applications in
>> Mono together with Cocoa# this works perfectly well together with
>> Chrome. :)
>
> Good arguments.
>>> I was doing some tests with fpmake and came across what appears to be an
>>> inconsistency.
>>>
>>> When fpmaking a program a units/cpu-os is created but the commandline
>>> parameters for FPC are "-FE." which causes the tool and possible other
>>> units to be placed in the directory where the
Weyert de Boer schrieb:
> Puff, Delphi IDE is way faster then Lazarus. Beside of the need of that
> idiotic X11 under MacOSX. I will just develop my applications in Mono
> together with Cocoa# this works perfectly well together with Chrome. :)
And how would a name change change this?
_
Weyert de Boer schreef:
Puff, Delphi IDE is way faster then Lazarus. Beside of the need of that
idiotic X11 under MacOSX. I will just develop my applications in Mono
together with Cocoa# this works perfectly well together with Chrome. :)
Good arguments. A name change would make no difference.
Puff, Delphi IDE is way faster then Lazarus. Beside of the need of that
idiotic X11 under MacOSX. I will just develop my applications in Mono
together with Cocoa# this works perfectly well together with Chrome. :)
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>> I was doing some tests with fpmake and came across what appears to be an
>> inconsistency.
>>
>> When fpmaking a program a units/cpu-os is created but the commandline
>> parameters for FPC are "-FE." which causes the tool and possible other
>> units to be placed in the directory where the progra
Hi Michael,
I will write here instead of inline...
I personally know a company that wrote a product using Delphi, and had
an already existed product, but when they came to raise some money,
the only thing that really interested the investors where that they
use Delphi instead of Java, and forced t
As the subject already suggest, this thread is off-topic here and already
quite lengthy. I'd like to kindly ask everybody interested in this
discussion to move it to fpc-other list, which is dedicated to this kind
of stuff.
Thanks a lot
Tomas
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On 13/08/07, Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Use Lazarus for a month daily, to develop a real program, and then come back.
> People who have used lazarus for about 1 hour and then tell us
> 'this and that feature is not working'
> just do not have any right of voice. Lazarus has qu
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Skybuck Flying wrote:
> Well there are some things ofcourse wrong with Free Pascal:
I'm assuming you were being sarcastic or ironic. You can
assume the same when you read this reply.
>
> 1. First the name:
>
> "Free"
>
> Bussiness people don't believe in "Free".
So wha
> Well there are some things ofcourse wrong with Free Pascal:
>
> 1. First the name:
> "Free"
> Bussiness people don't believe in "Free".
First you must define a target in business people. Which is easy. First and
for all, FPC is interested in business people that have something to offer.
And of
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