Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-24 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> finding relevant pedagogues who would lead child contributors. > > That's a fine idea.  Also finding active middle- and high-school > students interested in

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-24 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Benjamin Lees wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >>> >>> If you don't have a strong background in a field then drinking from >>> the fire hose of full-complexity concepts is

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-24 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Mark Williamson wrote: > as if we were dumb. I have heard (and I am not an expert) from many > people the idea that you will get what you give, meaning that if you > treat an adolescent as if they were a criminal, they will often become > a criminal; it seems to m

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > Yes. We should definitely lay the groundwork well, as Ziko says. But > there are good projects underway today and doing this, in spanish, > french, and dutch. Some of the organizers of those projects have > contributed to the Wikikids propo

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > We are all amateurs in cognitive development. My two exams in this > field makes me an expert on this list. And we don't need just > professionals, but extraordinary professionals. And those > professionals have to be i

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:11 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > But, to be fair, do we ask such questions of our other projects? I do > not recall being asked if I was a trained encyclopedia writer or a > trained journalist when I joined Wikimedia :) Perhaps we should ask > these kinds of hard questions of

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Birgitte SB wrote: > Such strong labeling of the goals and make-up of this group wishing to work > on a Medical Encyclopedia for Children really needs to be supported by some > evidence. Especially as I don't believe they are participating in this > conversation

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Birgitte SB wrote: >> Such strong labeling of the goals and make-up of this group wishing to work >> on a Medical Encyclopedia for Children really needs to be supported by some >> evid

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Birgitte SB wrote: > I am not asking you to prove anything about this project.  I just want to > know where you got the idea that this proposal can be accurately summarized > as a " Wikipedia fork with dumb language"  and that the proto-contributors > are biased

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Mark Williamson wrote: > The difference was that Wikipedia was not made for young people. > > If I run a social group for adults and there are issues with children > who visit, I can blame it on their parents and say they should control > them better. If I run a so

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > In Italian Wikipedia, for example, we have had long time ago a project > with the aim to create a structure of any article of physics with a > section for "easy readers". > > The project has failed because the most difficult point for a > p

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Peter Gervai wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 17:50, Andre Engels wrote: > >> I'm not sure whether I am though. This message plus the discussion >> that was the base of it has cost me 50 Euros in things I broke >> throwing them through my room, plus a severe loss

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-27 Thread Milos Rancic
Probably related: http://www.womensenews.org/story/women-in-science/100623/it-jobs-offer-growth-women-are-bailing-out ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Serbia billboard campaign

2010-06-27 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > Now we have Jimmy's and Stallman's billboards all over Belgrade. I'll > send photos ASAP. For now, there are their images at > http://likilik.org/ > http://likilink.org/ _

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Serbia billboard campaign

2010-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Mariano Cecowski wrote: > "Džimi Vejls"; makes me laugh every time. :) > Do the billboards on the street have anything written? There were a lot of discussions how to transliterate "Wales" in Serbian. As Jimmy's name is the same as the name for the country Wales

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Serbia billboard campaign

2010-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:30 AM, James Alexander wrote: >  Cheers! They look great! Something like this is spectacular and I wish we > could see more around the world. I'd love to see some data on whether you > guys are getting a good jump in traffic. I'm sure I can find some for the > wiki in th

Re: [Foundation-l] three-letter language codes

2010-06-30 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > Did anyone ever consider completely migrating WMF projects to > three-letter language codes? Currently two-letter ISO 639-1 code are > used whenever possible and three-letter ISO 639-2 or ISO 639-3 codes > are used when a two-letter code i

Re: [Foundation-l] 2010-11 Annual Plan Now Posted to FoundationWebsite

2010-07-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:06 AM, David Goodman wrote: > We are secure because of the volunteers, not the funding. If the > foundation were to disappear, the project could continue. The only > funding actually necessary is for the physical operation of the > project. While it seems as the the most

Re: [Foundation-l] 2010-11 Annual Plan Now Posted to FoundationWebsite

2010-07-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: >> Who is WMF competing with? > > User attention. Sorry, misread "who" with "what". Presently, wi

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Serbia billboard campaign

2010-07-01 Thread Milos Rancic
While waiting to get all photos made by AQ, we took our cameras: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:LikiLink ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] 2010-11 Annual Plan Now Posted to FoundationWebsite

2010-07-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:06 AM, David Goodman wrote: >>> We are secure because of the volunteers, not the funding. If the >>> foundation were to disappear,

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-07-02 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Noein wrote: > Also, for illiterate persons, it would be great to include a "play" > button that would automatically read the article out loud. It should be > included so that illiterate persons don't have to install their own > text-to-speech software. This is gre

[Foundation-l] Ongoing FUD campaign against Wikipedia in Serbian

2010-07-04 Thread Milos Rancic
Just to inform you that there is ongoing campaign against Wikipedia in Serbian by an irrelevant LGBT organization called Gay and Lesbian Info Center (GLIC) [1]. The organization has good political and media connections, including B92. Article about this organization [2] has been deleted [3] becaus

Re: [Foundation-l] Ongoing FUD campaign against Wikipedia in Serbian

2010-07-05 Thread Milos Rancic
FYI: Besides personal and Facebook support from our friends from LGBT organizations, one of the LGBT activists openly said that he didn't have any problem on Serbian and Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia: "Boban Stojanović, from the Center of promotion of culture and non-violence Queeria says for Danas tha

[Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-13 Thread Milos Rancic
Besides having a great time on Wikimania, I've heard a number of complains which put a shadow on a really great event. At some point of time I was even a bit depressed. I was thinking a lot about should I raise this issue or not; and if yes, then how. After the first issue I thought not to talk ab

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 13 July 2010 23:30, Milos Rancic wrote: >> I will talk without mentioning names, but I will try to be precise >> enough. In other words, I don't want to talk about people and >> organizations, but about p

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-14 Thread Milos Rancic
Just to make clear about which problems are, because I didn't structure text clearly. Problems are: 1. Corruption among two chapters. 2. US business interests influence WMF strategy. 3. Gap between those who are coming between poor and rich countries. 4. All decisions of WMF, chapters and their bo

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Nathan wrote: > within Wikimedia chapters. Perhaps these are common knowledge among > subscribers to internal-l, but I don't miss many threads on this list Actually, not. Internal-l is just a non-public (which doesn't mean that it is a private one) fork of foundat

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:48 PM, oliver keyes wrote: > You claim that the Foundation is tied in with US business interests. Heard of > "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"? so far, I've seen > none. If the two people you trust are inside say, the Foundation, surely they > can d

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Cool Hand Luke wrote: > As a temporary resident of Chicago, I would like to think I have a vague > understanding of corruption.  Why on earth would it even be worthwhile to > corruptly influence an independent volunteer boot-strap operation like a > Wikimedia chapt

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Cool Hand Luke wrote: > I just want hypothetical (or non-hypothetical) example of alarming chapter > corruption.  I'm having a hard time picturing what you're worried about. > Something concerns you and I don't understand what it is.  Please explain. >From the dis

[Foundation-l] Conferences, Wikimedia, TED

2010-07-18 Thread Milos Rancic
As the most of you know, TED has affiliate program called TEDx. I am organizing TEDxBelgrade events. The first one was in Saturday. There are two important points for us: (1) even local conferences could be very inspiring and (2) there is online documentation how to make them. As Wikimedia bureau

[Foundation-l] RfC: Global Arbitration Committee

2010-07-18 Thread Milos Rancic
Stewards had meeting during the Wikimania. One of the conclusions is that we need Global arbitration committee as there are more and more cases which just stewards are able to solve somehow. And we are not elected to make decisions. Please, add your ideas [1] and join the discussion [2]. Below is

[Foundation-l] Adopting OmegaWiki as Wikimedia project

2010-07-19 Thread Milos Rancic
(Just poking foundation-l, please continue with discussion at wiktionary-l, or, better, at Meta [1]) During Wikimania I asked Gerard Meijssen would he be willing to give OmegaWiki to Wikimedia. He said that he doesn't have anything against it: software is free, content is free. More precisely, he

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:04 PM, David Gerard wrote: > Looking at the contributors so far, I'm not sure that discussion is > recoverable to any form of usefulness. 1. Checked and agreed. 2. I am not going to discuss with well known censorship trolls. 3. If this would be the main path of discussio

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:52 AM, George Herbert wrote: > Is there in fact sufficient evidence that this is a topic that the > Foundation must, or should, engage in actively at this time? > > I know why the Foundation has an inclination to get involved - people > ask about it, and some very uncomf

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-24 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > No, not filtered according to what *we* think, but filtered according to what > the local editor community in that project think is appropriate to their > cultural context. I am completely unsure how to react after this sentence: to laugh

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:12 PM, wrote: > I think you are confused. It is not a POV not to display images by > default if those images can be accessed by a simple mouse click, it is > simple good manners. For example I may want to read about 'Tribute > pictures': > http://www.urbandictionary.com/

[Foundation-l] [Language committee] New member and Globalization subcommittee

2010-07-25 Thread Milos Rancic
We've got one new member, Amir Ahroni. He is a linguist, he knows a couple of languages and he is active in support of smaller Wikipedian communities. I am happy to announce that folk from Translatewiki [1] have joined the Language committee as the Globalization subcommittee [2]. GlobCom will take

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > On 7/24/10 9:45 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> In other words "cultural context" is usually just an >> excuse for POV pushing of various kinds. >> >> > Actually, I think the opposite is true. Right now

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:43 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 26 July 2010 20:40, Milos Rancic wrote: >>  If photos of Tienanmen protests are >> forbidden in China, we should remove them for population from China. > > I certainly hope you're saying this as an attempt at

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:43 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> On 26 July 2010 20:40, Milos Rancic wrote: >>>  If photos of Tienanmen protests are >>> forbidden in China, we should remove them for population from Ch

Re: [Foundation-l] RfC: Global Arbitration Committee

2010-07-27 Thread Milos Rancic
After a couple of days of discussion, it has been concluded that presently there is a sense to talk just about Dispute resolution committee. Thus, I've made new RfC [1]. Feel free to join discussion and add your ideas there. [1] - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Dispute_resolu

Re: [Foundation-l] Free translation memory

2010-07-29 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > 2010/7/29 Amir E. Aharoni : >> Is there a Free competitor to the Google Translator Toolkit in terms >> of online storage and sharing? I heard about OmegaT, but if i >> understand correctly, it is a local application that doesn't offer >> o

Re: [Foundation-l] RfC: Global Arbitration Committee

2010-07-29 Thread Milos Rancic
We are now discussing about the scope of the Dispute resolution committee [1]. Please, join discussion. [1] - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Dispute_resolution_committee#Scope ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.w

[Foundation-l] [Language committee] Call for applications and advices

2010-07-31 Thread Milos Rancic
For those who don't want to read the whole email, we need: * A person who is well introduced in Wikinews. * A person who is well introduced in Wikiversity. * A person who knows to program in Python and willing to spend 2 hours/week in archiving our mailing list on Meta [1]. * Your advices in defin

Re: [Foundation-l] RfC: Global Arbitration Committee

2010-08-02 Thread Milos Rancic
We are not discussing how to choose members of DRC [1]. [1] - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Dispute_resolution_committee#Further_discussion ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://l

Re: [Foundation-l] RfC: Global Arbitration Committee

2010-08-02 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:39 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> We are not discussing how to choose members of DRC [1]. >> >> [1] - >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Dispute_resolution_c

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 04:28, Risker wrote: > Thanks for letting us all know about this, Beria. > > So...a few questions. > > Why is the discussion happening on chapterswiki, instead of in an open > place where all Wikimedians can at least read the discussion? > > Will the names of the candidates

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 3

2012-02-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 19:17, Joan Goma wrote: > The situation was absolutely crazy. Some candidates had access to chapters > wiki and could have feedback from the answers of other candidates while > others like the one I nominated didn't. One candidate, Phoebe, published > her answers which honor

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:26, Samuel Klein wrote: > On 2/2/12, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> We're getting very off topic, but you are right that there is a problem >> with dormant chapters. I know nothing about the Russian chapter, but I do >> know how difficult it was to to get the first Wikimedia UK

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 14:54, Florence Devouard wrote: > I take it you are aware that each chapter developped over time its own set > of "partners" (similar-minded organizations that have overlapping goals with > the chapters). These organizations have developped a specific relationship > with a

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 15:58, Lodewijk wrote: > It would be great if we can have this discussion without making sarcastic > remarks like this - I know it is a sensitive topic, but I also know that > we're in a suboptimal situation here right now. In the past discussions we > have talked about how

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 17:48, Florence Devouard wrote: > Well, I am not sure if I remember well the arguments exactly (those who do, > please help) > > * we supported chapter creation covering a geographical area rather than not > mostly because a legal entity ought to be linked to a nation legal

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-16 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 17:52, Béria Lima wrote: > No I will not apologize for act according with my culture. > > If Mister de Vreede has a problem with people from different cultures he > shouldn't be part of a international movement. > > (And besides if someone would complain about misspelling,

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-24 Thread Milos Rancic
4, 2012 at 18:13, Nathan wrote: > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > >> Tomorrow will be anti-ACTA protest in Belgrade and Wikimedia Serbia >> [1], along with the guests of GLAM conference [2] from France, India, >> Hungary, Italy, Czech Republic and Mac

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-24 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 18:56, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > PS I have no idea about the Serbian situation, and I am glad they do not > need to discuss it anymore. Not sure that we won't do that anyway. Just as a warning. ___ foundation-l mailing list f

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 18:01, Milos Rancic wrote: > Tomorrow will be anti-ACTA protest in Belgrade and Wikimedia Serbia > [1], along with the guests of GLAM conference [2] from France, India, > Hungary, Italy, Czech Republic and Macedonia will be there. You will find here some known fa

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-25 Thread Milos Rancic
Watch the first 2:40 of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3vVVOa-Euw :) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Stopping the presses: Britannica to stop printing books

2012-03-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 03:00, Samuel Klein wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: >>> >> No, I think there were only like three big universal encyclopaedias still >> being printed (Britannica, Brockhaus, and Russian Encyclopaedia?), unless I >> am confusing things.

Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

2011-06-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/10/2011 11:55 PM, Sarah wrote: > 2011/6/10 Jon Harald Søby : >> As Shane said, there are built-in features in the SecurePoll software >> that help us to control for sockpuppeting, so we are pretty safe. >> Sockpuppeting in a large enough scale to influence an election of this >> size would al

Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

2011-06-17 Thread Milos Rancic
First, congratulations to reelected Board members! As a steward and member of some committees, I had very good cooperation with them, and I am sure that we'll have in the future, too. Second, I would like to thank to all of those who voted for me and especially to all of those who didn't. I couldn

[Foundation-l] Projects in simple languages

2011-06-20 Thread Milos Rancic
After a month of on-list talk -- sometimes very heated, sometimes very quiet -- Language committee has agreed about the next wording of the part of the new policy [1] related to the simple languages: * Can there be wikis in "simple" languages? *: Yes, in principle. But two special criteria would n

Re: [Foundation-l] Projects in simple languages

2011-06-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/20/2011 04:29 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > After a month of on-list talk -- sometimes very heated, sometimes very > quiet -- Language committee has agreed about the next wording of the > part of the new policy [1] related to the simple languages: > > * Can there be wikis in &qu

Re: [Foundation-l] Projects in simple languages

2011-06-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/20/2011 07:25 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Milos Rancic wrote: >> After a month of on-list talk -- sometimes very heated, sometimes very >> quiet -- Language committee has agreed about the next wording of the >> part of the new policy [1] related to the simple languages: >&

Re: [Foundation-l] Projects in simple languages

2011-06-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/20/2011 08:23 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > The logical line of my thoughts was to allow *any* project in simple (or > equivalent) language if there is a scientific basis. Mostly because > there could be created valid communities around non-world-languages with > large number of spea

Re: [Foundation-l] Projects in simple languages

2011-06-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/20/2011 08:30 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > The last request was a 2 line proposal added by an anon ip[1] in passing, > their only edit. I wouldn't call that a community. However, the first three were valid ones. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-

Re: [Foundation-l] Projects in simple languages

2011-06-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/20/2011 08:55 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 20 June 2011 15:29, Milos Rancic wrote: >> *: Yes, in principle. But two special criteria would need to be met: the >> language should be a "world language" with many L2 users, and there must >> be a reliable,

Re: [Foundation-l] Projects in simple languages

2011-06-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/20/2011 08:55 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Maybe the case needs more consideration. I ackknowledge that it is a > difficult thing and that we don't want every language version to exist > in a second version. So, please, give your arguments :) ___ fo

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: Projects in simple languages

2011-06-20 Thread Milos Rancic
This was intended to be reply to the list. Original Message Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Projects in simple languages Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:12:16 +0100 From: Michael Everson To: Milos Rancic On 06/20/2011 08:55 PM, David Gerard wrote: > I have been around the Wikime

Re: [Foundation-l] Projects in simple languages

2011-06-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/21/2011 12:25 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Thanks for the detailed response. :-) > > Milos Rancic wrote: >> As usual, discussion would be held on Meta. If there are serious >> arguments against creation of Simple French Wikipedia, we would consider >> them, of course. H

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF & Bitcoins

2011-06-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/21/2011 09:11 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: > As a follow up to the discussion about Bitcoins (during the board elections) > & accepting them as donations... I thought this article by the EFF > explaining why they no longer accept BC sets out some interesting > arguments: https://www.eff.org/deepl

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/21/2011 04:35 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Lets try to approach this from another angle. > > Perhaps simple Wikipedia should not be considered as a different language, > but rather as a different project - a simplified Wikipedia. Because the > purpose of simple wikipedia's can be debated of course,

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:24, Lodewijk wrote: > 2011/6/22 Milos Rancic > > There are at least three serious issues in creation of such projects, if >> they are not defined strictly linguistically: >> * Scope. Which age do we cover, approximately? Any valid theory would

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF & Bitcoins)

2011-06-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/24/2011 01:58 AM, Kat Walsh wrote: > It also wasn't an easy decision to make. The question came down to > this one: do we necessarily refuse someone as a candidate solely > because they were proposed by a funder? As a Nominating committee [1] member, I have to say a few words about this time

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-24 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/24/2011 11:40 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > On 06/22/11 1:46 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> I have a friendly advice for you (and I hope that Michael and Gerard >> wouldn't kill me because of that): If you are able to create really >> valid community and your language is

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-24 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/24/2011 01:42 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Let us first think about whether we /want/ to have such > projects before we dive into details about specific definitions etc. That is > also the reason why I personally think this should not be an issue for the > Language Committee in the first place. Lan

Re: [Foundation-l] Seat and Donations (SPLIT from: EFF & Bitcoins)

2011-06-24 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/24/2011 07:57 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: > I also sat on NomCom during this time period. I cannot agree that Matt's > appointment was more problematic than Stu's or Jan-Bart. Frankly all the > appointed board seats are problematic, and I cannot understand how you can > focus on Matt

[Foundation-l] Languages and numbers

2011-06-24 Thread Milos Rancic
While preparing Missing Wikipedias [1], I've got numbers of speakers and languages by area and country with chapter not covered by Wikipedias. Numbers are preliminary, some of them should be corrected. I didn't exclude Han languages, which mostly shouldn't be counted, and similar. Note, also, that

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 10:50 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > I read from several posts that the process with the nominating committee did > not work out at all. In the mean time the whole nominating committee (and > therefore any formal procedure where non-board members, read: the community, > have any say on who get

[Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
Board has decided to make Closing projects [1] official. The text of the policy is below (as well as at the mentioned page). Language committee members who decided to take care about this would be listed inside of the section "Tasks" of the members list [2]. During the next weeks present requests

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 11:20 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > could someone perhaps explain why the board delegated closing policy to > *individual language committee members*? Because as I read it, this advice > to the board is given by one individual, even if the rest of the committee > disagrees (there is a two wee

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 12:38 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > As you may remember, the report was very long, and even though I speeded > through it, I did not notice it since I wouldn't ever expect it there :) The > fact you published it before doesnt make arguments less valid though. I think that the argument is val

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 12:49 PM, Béria Lima wrote: >> *Sj and Ting informed us that Board has agreed with the policy after the >> discussion. > > If i understand right that was in Berlin. So the Board had 2 months to put > that in a resolution, and didn't. That doesn't sound as a approval to me. No, Ting

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 12:54 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > So we should wait for a resolution no? Until there is only your word. > > PS: I'm not saying you are lying or anything, but that the final decision > about that requires a Resolution. I don't think that it is needed because Board has the final word anyw

Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
Forwarding Deryk Chan's email and my response on his request. Original Message Subject: Re: [Internal-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:55:58 +0200 From: Milos Rancic To: Deryck Chan On 06/25/2011 01:28 PM, Deryck Chan wrote: > (s

Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 03:11 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote: > I posted this on the India list (many people are not subscribed to > foundation-l) - forwarding this question which just popped up. First of all, although numbers look fascinatingly precise, they are far from that. When you make a sum of approximatio

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 04:32 PM, Aaron Adrignola wrote: > I also agree that a resolution is needed. Two individuals don't speak for > the whole board and I'm not willing to take your word on it. Up until now > the community has had the say over which projects were closed through the > proposals for closin

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 07:35 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: > To clarify my position, I found the procedure as designed for handling > appointed seats to be inherently unworkable. I don't think the procedures > could have been followed during my service on the committee given the > resources and time a

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 08:33 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 25 June 2011 19:18, Milos Rancic wrote: >> My general position is that Wikimedian community is diverse enough to >> fill expert seats from itself. > > You are probably right, but who would make the better board member: an

Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers

2011-06-27 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/27/2011 12:30 AM, M. Williamson wrote: > Some of these actually already have Wikipedias: > > Meadow Mari > Yakut (aka Sakha) > Lak > Balkar (aka Karachay-Balkar) > Yiddish, Eastern (= "standard" Yiddish, "Western Yiddish" is the one we are > missing but it has much fewer speakers; according

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-27 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/27/2011 11:39 AM, Ting Chen wrote: > on the August 2010 board meeting the board had talked about the > responsibilities of the board, the staff and the committees (minutes > here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/July_8,_2010 ). The > board had worked through this with the RASCI

Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers

2011-06-27 Thread Milos Rancic
More data could be found at [1]. It is about coverage of languages by Wikimedia projects by size of population, logarithmic. Numbers are not a surprise. [1] https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=tCwO11tFPLPB-SJafDesypg&authkey=CPCE5pMB#gid=1 ___

Re: [Foundation-l] [Xmldatadumps-l] Wikipedia dumps downloader

2011-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/27/2011 01:07 PM, emijrp wrote: > Yes, a distributed project would be probably the best solution, but it is > not easy to develop, unless you use a library like bittorrent, or similar > and you have many peers. Althought most of the people don't seed the files > long time, so sometimes is bet

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiki-research-l] Wikipedia dumps downloader

2011-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/28/2011 07:21 PM, emijrp wrote: > @Milos: Instead of spliting image dump using the first letter of filenames, > I thought about spliting using the upload date (-MM-DD). So, first > chunks (2005-01-01) will be tiny, and recent ones of several GB (a single > day). That would be better, ind

Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers

2011-07-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On 07/01/2011 01:24 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > Milosh, thanks for your work. Just to correct: Moksha, Erzya, Yakut > (=Sakha), Komi-Zyrian (=Komi) and Lak all have Wikipedias (though > admittedly for Lak I am the only active contributor). Adyge is almost > identical to Kabardino-Circassian, a

[Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] Language committee report - June 2011

2011-07-01 Thread Milos Rancic
Original Message Subject: [Wikimedia Announcements] Language committee report - June 2011 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 21:24:03 +0200 From: Robin Pepermans Reply-To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org To: the Wikimedia Incubator , wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org See the wiki ve

Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis

2011-07-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On 07/01/2011 11:52 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: > One thing I find irritating and complex about our structure is the > proliferation of small wikis. Now I've no objection to the idea that > we have a wiki for every language on Earth, though where languages are > mutually intelligible such as the m

Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis

2011-07-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 07:02, John Vandenberg wrote: > Or we could just leave the sister projects alone.  That is also a viable > option. > > For the English projects, clear separation between the projects is > necessary so that they can grow different cultures.  The sister > projects are progres

Re: [Foundation-l] Merge wikis

2011-07-06 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 19:27, Arlen Beiler wrote: > Milos Rancic wrote: >> There are two types of Wikimedia projects: those which could be >> reasonably treated as extensions of Wikipedia and those which couldn't >> be. For example, Wiktionary (as it is presently) an

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