>> on 1/10/09 6:59 AM, David Gerard at dger...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>> I note that I have asked you before if you've actually attempted to
>>> work directly with the community on-wiki, and you demurred:
>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2009-January/097693.html
>>> You claim to be
2009/1/10 Marc Riddell :
> on 1/10/09 6:59 AM, David Gerard at dger...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I note that I have asked you before if you've actually attempted to
>> work directly with the community on-wiki, and you demurred:
>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2009-January/097693.html
>>
> 2009/1/9 Marc Riddell :
>
>> Erik, there are some truly terrific, bright and creative people within the
>> greater Wikipedia Community. We really need to have a culture that makes
>> room for them all.
>
on 1/10/09 6:59 AM, David Gerard at dger...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I note that I have asked
>>
on 1/10/09 3:56 AM, Ray Saintonge at sainto...@telus.net wrote:
> Perhaps in the earliest days Jimbo performed that role, but even viewing
> all of his actions in the best possible light still leaves the
> insurmountable scalability problem. It is hard to imagine any other
> Solomon scalably
2009/1/9 Marc Riddell :
> Erik, there are some truly terrific, bright and creative people within the
> greater Wikipedia Community. We really need to have a culture that makes
> room for them all.
I note that I have asked you before if you've actually attempted to
work directly with the communit
Erik Moeller wrote:
> 2009/1/8 Marc Riddell:
>
>> * A person at the Foundation level who has true, sensitive inter-personal as
>> well a inter-group skills, and who would keep a close eye on the Project
>> looking for impasses when they arise. The person would need to be objective
>> and lobby-r
Marc Riddell wrote:
> on 1/8/09 11:02 PM, Alex at mrzmanw...@gmail.com wrote:
>> And how is the foundation supposed to resolve this? Counsel people into
>> changing their opinions? Ban people who appear to be suppressing
>> criticism? Forcibly change policies? Act as proxies for people afraid of
>>
2009/1/8 Marc Riddell :
> * A person at the Foundation level who has true, sensitive inter-personal as
> well a inter-group skills, and who would keep a close eye on the Project
> looking for impasses when they arise. The person would need to be objective
> and lobby-resistant ;-). This would be th
>>
on 1/8/09 11:02 PM, Alex at mrzmanw...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> And how is the foundation supposed to resolve this? Counsel people into
> changing their opinions? Ban people who appear to be suppressing
> criticism? Forcibly change policies? Act as proxies for people afraid of
> criticism? I'm str
Marc Riddell wrote:
> on 1/8/09 9:20 PM, Erik Moeller at e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
>
>> 2009/1/8 Marc Riddell :
>>> This is pure unsubstantiated rhetoric. There are real-life, real-time
>>> problems - serious problems - that directly involve the people occurring in
>>> the English Wikipedia for ex
on 1/8/09 9:20 PM, Erik Moeller at e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
> 2009/1/8 Marc Riddell :
>> This is pure unsubstantiated rhetoric. There are real-life, real-time
>> problems - serious problems - that directly involve the people occurring in
>> the English Wikipedia for example. Where is your help?
>
2009/1/8 Marc Riddell :
> This is pure unsubstantiated rhetoric. There are real-life, real-time
> problems - serious problems - that directly involve the people occurring in
> the English Wikipedia for example. Where is your help?
Marc, can you give examples of what kind of help you'd like to see?
2009/1/9 Marc Riddell :
>
>>> A linguistic analysis by several experts in the
>>> field concluded that you don't have a clue about effective group management.
>
> on 1/8/09 8:41 PM, Thomas Dalton at thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> WMF
>> doesn't manage its volunteer base, it keeps its hands of
>> A linguistic analysis by several experts in the
>> field concluded that you don't have a clue about effective group management.
on 1/8/09 8:41 PM, Thomas Dalton at thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> WMF
> doesn't manage its volunteer base, it keeps its hands off and lets the
> community sort
> A linguistic analysis by several experts in the
> field concluded that you don't have a clue about effective group management.
Who is "you" and what group are they meant to be managing? Are you
complaining about the WMF not managing the community effectively? WMF
doesn't manage its volunteer bas
* was discussed extensively
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Brian wrote:
> Not only that, but what the relationship between the Foundation and the
> community would be was extensively on this list well before the Foundation
> become as monolithic as it is today.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:2
Not only that, but what the relationship between the Foundation and the
community would be was extensively on this list well before the Foundation
become as monolithic as it is today.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Jesse Plamondon-Willard <
pathosch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Having not
Hello,
Having not read the original thread, I can only comment on this new
thread. All the rhetoric I see here is from you, with high-minded
phrases like "people are at the heart" (as if Wikimedia staff were
non-people), a total lack of concrete points or examples, citing
"several experts in the f
> Marc Riddell writes:
>
>> The Foundation - and those who represent it - seem to have forgotten
>> that
>> people are at the heart of what they are there to do. And, without the
>> heart, it cannot live.
on 1/8/09 4:22 PM, Mike Godwin at mgod...@wikimedia.org wrote:
>
> This is really an insup
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