Hello, Having not read the original thread, I can only comment on this new thread. All the rhetoric I see here is from you, with high-minded phrases like "people are at the heart" (as if Wikimedia staff were non-people), a total lack of concrete points or examples, citing "several experts in the field", and melodramatic statements like "the total disregard of [the people] by its leaders will [destroy Wikipedia]".
If you have complaints, please be specific about what you think is wrong and what concrete actions can remedy it. -- Yours cordially, Jesse Plamondon-Willard (Pathoschild) On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Marc Riddell <michaeldavi...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Marc Riddell writes: >> >>> The Foundation - and those who represent it - seem to have forgotten >>> that >>> people are at the heart of what they are there to do. And, without the >>> heart, it cannot live. > > on 1/8/09 4:22 PM, Mike Godwin at mgod...@wikimedia.org wrote: >> >> This is really an insupportable assertion. > > (I changed the name of this thread so that those who wish to keep their head > in the sand may do so by avoiding it.) > > My message is supported by the countless number of patronizing, > condescending missives handed down by your group. In them the people come > across as an after-thought. A linguistic analysis by several experts in the > field concluded that you don't have a clue about effective group management. > >> The Foundation and those >> who represent it are, if anything, hyperaware of the community on >> whose volunteer efforts we depend. That awareness factors into >> practically every decision we make. Anyone who tells you otherwise is >> speaking out of ignorance. >> >> To name only one example: Every time we discuss Flagged Revisions at >> the Foundation, someone will express concern about how it might affect >> community participation if current edits of a sighted version are not >> visible (for some period of time, at least) to those who consult >> Wikipedia without logging in. Sometimes the person expressing concern >> is me -- I know from my own long-term experience in online communities >> that keeping people motivated to contribute is central to a >> community's success. >> >> The idea that anyone at the Foundation ever forgets about the >> dependence of the projects on the larger community of editors is just >> nonsense, born out of the impulse, so common in online forums, to >> Assume Bad Faith. > > This is pure unsubstantiated rhetoric. There are real-life, real-time > problems - serious problems - that directly involve the people occurring in > the English Wikipedia for example. Where is your help? >> > <snip> My message is not about Eric. > > The culture of product first - people second was established from the very > creation of the Wikipedia Project. And it remains pretty much intact to this > day. > > Wales, in his past statement, was wrong. Humans will not destroy Wikipedia; > but rather the total disregard of them by its leaders will. >> >> Try assuming good faith. > > I have all the faith I need: in the people. > > Marc Riddell _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
