Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-04 Thread Bod Notbod
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:08 AM, wrote: The Right Honourable Mr Godwin: >>In the world outside this mailing list, the fact that I'm responding to this >>extent to these criticisms would itself be taken as proof of transparency, >>not disproof. > --

[Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-03 Thread Klaus Graf
Can we please have a page on meta on take down notices and possible reactions? I only found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Office_actions I think that WMF has the duty to inform the communities in a general way what can be done afterwards a take down. Regarding the Munich logo mentioned

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread geni
On 3 June 2010 00:54, Mike Godwin wrote: > Yes, it is correct that I will comply with a DMCA (or equivalent) takedown > notice.  In this respect, I'm like just about every lawyer everywhere who > represents a service provider.  Perhaps they are all bad lawyers, but at > least I'm in good company i

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread geni
On 3 June 2010 00:13, Klaus Graf wrote: > For me there is no reason to believe that Mr. Godwin is a good lawyer. > > If he receives a formal (blah-blah) correct take-down-notice he will > take OFFICE ACTION. > > It was clearly un-lawful to take down the TU Munich logo which isn't > protectable acc

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread Stephen Bain
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:56 AM, wrote: > > Do we really want every contributor to be an expert in the copyright laws of > any particular nation that might have a company exerting some obscure claim? We want every contributor who is going to be submitting non-original content (whether texts for

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > Finally as it seems to be necessary to understand Latin in order to read > your rant, I want to use that language with "Cave canum". What I know of > that language is thanks to those fine Gauls immortalised by Underzo and > Goscinny. Brassica is translated in apekool in m

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread wjhonson
-Original Message- From: Mike Godwin To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 4:54 pm Subject: [Foundation-l] Office action >> It is a shame that WMF hasn't a policy of TRANSPARENCY regarding >> office actions. The right of the com

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread wjhonson
my point. That is what's missing from the take-down notice. -Original Message- From: Mike Godwin To: wjhon...@aol.com Cc: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Office action On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:08 PM, wrote:

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:08 PM, wrote: > >> >> >> What harm do you foresee in replacing deleted pages with a declaration like >> YouTube uses, "This Video has been deleted >> >> based on a copyright claim by The Disney Corporation" ?  And then

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread Mike Godwin
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:08 PM, wrote: > > > What harm do you foresee in replacing deleted pages with a declaration like > YouTube uses, "This Video has been deleted > > based on a copyright claim by The Disney Corporation" ? And then an > extension of "If you believe this is public domain mat

[Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread Mike Godwin
Klaus Graf writes: For me there is no reason to believe that Mr. Godwin is a good lawyer. > I certainly don't require that you believe I'm a good lawyer. I'd be a very poor lawyer indeed, however, if I invited publishers to embroil us in expensive copyright lawsuits that we might not win when bot

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The question is not so much what you believe but very much the reputation Mr Godwin has. In my appreciation he has an excellent reputation based on the many relevant jobs that he has had in the past. There are not many people who are associated with a "law" that is named after them. When you

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread James Alexander
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Klaus Graf wrote: > For me there is no reason to believe that Mr. Godwin is a good lawyer. > > If he receives a formal (blah-blah) correct take-down-notice he will > take OFFICE ACTION. > > It was clearly un-lawful to take down the TU Munich logo which isn't > prot

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Klaus Graf wrote: > For me there is no reason to believe that Mr. Godwin is a good lawyer. > > If he receives a formal (blah-blah) correct take-down-notice he will > take OFFICE ACTION. > > It was clearly un-lawful to take down the TU Munich logo which isn't > prote

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 June 2010 00:13, Klaus Graf wrote: > It was clearly un-lawful to take down the TU Munich logo which isn't > protectable according German copyright law but WMF has done so. Of course it is lawful for the WMF to remove something from a WMF site. It may not be legally necessary, but that doesn'

[Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread Klaus Graf
For me there is no reason to believe that Mr. Godwin is a good lawyer. If he receives a formal (blah-blah) correct take-down-notice he will take OFFICE ACTION. It was clearly un-lawful to take down the TU Munich logo which isn't protectable according German copyright law but WMF has done so. It