Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

Sorry, I did not mean you, I should have deleted the previous text. Ziko 2011/9/4 Federico Leva (Nemo) : > Ziko van Dijk, 04/09/2011 14:26: >> I would like to know: Is the introduction of WMF people on national >> boards a serious idea, or is it just a whim, a piece of loud thinking, >> and does n

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

Ziko van Dijk, 04/09/2011 14:26: > I would like to know: Is the introduction of WMF people on national > boards a serious idea, or is it just a whim, a piece of loud thinking, > and does not need to be discussed further? If you're quoting me on purpose, I'd say it belongs to the realms of scholas

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

Hello, I would like to know: Is the introduction of WMF people on national boards a serious idea, or is it just a whim, a piece of loud thinking, and does not need to be discussed further? Kind regards Ziko 2011/9/4 Federico Leva (Nemo) : > Florence Devouard, 02/09/2011 21:11: >  > You seek t

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

Florence Devouard, 02/09/2011 21:11: > You seek to remove "perceived" conflicts of interest, even if that means > creating "real" conflicts of interest ? > > Because there would be conflict of interest and rather BIG ONES. > > We are facing rather severe challenges right now. Let's say it str

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 3 September 2011 19:22, Ray Saintonge wrote: > On 09/03/11 4:06 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > > > > Just a bit of different perspective: I could make a list of chapters, > > besides WM RS, which would be happy to get a representative from WMF > > (but from any other bigger chapter, as well) in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 09/03/11 3:03 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 3 September 2011 10:51, Ray Saintonge wrote: >> The organization itself is not the objective. > +1 > > What things could WMF do to make itself obsolete as quickly as > possible, in as many individual areas as possible? > > We shouldn't wait for or ex

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 09/03/11 4:06 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > > Just a bit of different perspective: I could make a list of chapters, > besides WM RS, which would be happy to get a representative from WMF > (but from any other bigger chapter, as well) in their Board, if that > means that the representative would real

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:51, Ray Saintonge wrote: > On 09/02/11 12:11 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: >> ... >> >> We are facing rather severe challenges right now. Let's say it straight, >> Wikimedia Foundation is simply trying to absorb/control the chapters as >> is they were simple bureaux of the

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 3 September 2011 11:14, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 3 September 2011 11:03, David Gerard wrote: >> On 3 September 2011 10:51, Ray Saintonge wrote: >>>  The organization itself is not the objective. >> +1 >> What things could WMF do to make itself obsolete as quickly as >> possible, in as many

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 3 September 2011 11:03, David Gerard wrote: > On 3 September 2011 10:51, Ray Saintonge wrote: > >>  The organization itself is not the objective. > > > +1 > > What things could WMF do to make itself obsolete as quickly as > possible, in as many individual areas as possible? All sorts of thing

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 3 September 2011 10:51, Ray Saintonge wrote: >  The organization itself is not the objective. +1 What things could WMF do to make itself obsolete as quickly as possible, in as many individual areas as possible? - d. ___ foundation-l mailing lis

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 09/02/11 12:11 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: > ... > > We are facing rather severe challenges right now. Let's say it straight, > Wikimedia Foundation is simply trying to absorb/control the chapters as > is they were simple bureaux of the WMF locally and chapters kind of > disagree with WMF idea

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 09/02/11 12:25 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: >> On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >>> I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority >>> for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are >>> controlle

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF On 09/02/11 1:02 PM, Michael Snow wrote: > Meanwhile, on the subject of mutual board appointments between chapters > and the foundation, I figured I'd chime in as I helped push the idea for > chapters to select foundation b

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 09/02/11 1:02 PM, Michael Snow wrote: > Meanwhile, on the subject of mutual board appointments between chapters > and the foundation, I figured I'd chime in as I helped push the idea for > chapters to select foundation board members in the first place. For one > thing, there's a very different p

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 09/02/11 5:28 PM, Craig Franklin wrote: > Just to add to what Illario has said, I think it's important to remember > that most (if not all) chapters are run via a democratic system where the > entire board or committee is elected by its members. Appointing WMF members > to boards would obviousl

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 09/02/11 1:59 PM, Michael Snow wrote: > On 9/2/2011 1:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote: >>> *If the point is to improve communication, then a more practical approach >>> might be to designate "observers" who are not given authority but merely sit >>> in with a chapter board. That's assuming that the chap

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

> > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 22:43:35 +0200 > From: Ilario Valdelli > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > > Message-ID: <4e613ff7.3080...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charse

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

Errata: When i say "Kul", i mean "Barry". Sorry. _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

And Jan-Bart and Kul knows about European and Asia laws? Jean-Bart and Kul can go to General Assemblies? Jean Bart speak the 12-15 languages spoken in European Chapters (i will not even mention how many languages Kul would need to know to be the Asia representant)? Jan-Bart and Kul would decide wha

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Michael Snow wrote: > On 9/2/2011 1:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > >> *If the point is to improve communication, then a more practical > approach > >> might be to designate "observers" who are not given authority but merely > sit > >> in with a chapter board. That's as

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 9/2/2011 1:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote: >> *If the point is to improve communication, then a more practical approach >> might be to designate "observers" who are not given authority but merely sit >> in with a chapter board. That's assuming that the chapter board level is one >> of the places where

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 02.09.2011 22:02, Michael Snow wrote: > > For those reading whose memories may not be quite long enough - I assume > Florence is referring to Michael Davis here, not to me. The conflict of > interest policy was adopted in 2006, before I was on the board. I just > thought it would help to make th

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

> > *If the point is to improve communication, then a more practical approach > might be to designate "observers" who are not given authority but merely sit > in with a chapter board. That's assuming that the chapter board level is one > of the places where it makes the most sense to add a communic

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 9/2/11 10:02 PM, Michael Snow wrote: > On 9/2/2011 12:11 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: >> On 9/1/11 5:37 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: >>> On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wik

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 9/2/2011 12:11 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: > On 9/1/11 5:37 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: >> On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >>> I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority >>> for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are >>> controlled by B

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 2 September 2011 20:11, Florence Devouard wrote: > I can not help commenting a bit more on the matter of "conflict of > interest". I think I can probably say more on the matter than most > people here. If I could +1 this message I would. > Our bylaws were changed a few years ago, as to dec

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > > I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority > > for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are > > controlled by Brazilians. At the same time I don't

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 9/1/11 5:37 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >> I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority >> for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are >> controlled by Brazilians. At the same time I don't think there is an

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 9/1/11 5:37 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >> I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority >> for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are >> controlled by Brazilians. At the same time I don't think there is an

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

-Original Message- From: Jimmy Wales Sender: foundation-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:37:42 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Reply-To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

Le jeudi 01 septembre 2011 à 16:37 +0100, Jimmy Wales a écrit : > I had never thought of this before, but now that it has been mentioned, > I just wanted to disagree, quite respectfully because Ray is awesome of > course, and say that I think it is a very interesting idea to have a WMF > appoint

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >> I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority >> for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are >> controlled by Brazilians. At the same time I don't thi

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 1 September 2011 16:37, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >> I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority >> for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are >> controlled by Brazilians. At the same time I don't think th

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority > for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are > controlled by Brazilians. At the same time I don't think there is any > value to having a WMF appointee on your

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

I'm happy to hear this. As a member of the Chapters Committee, I look forward to being helpful. Ray On 08/27/11 5:29 PM, CasteloBranco wrote: > The letter was written collaboratively and announced in IRC, village > pump, mailing list, facebook, twitter, ... so i think it does represent > the vi

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 2:29 AM, CasteloBranco wrote: > The letter was written collaboratively and announced in IRC, village > pump, mailing list, facebook, twitter, ... so i think it does represent > the views of all Brazilians who are interested on it. We do know a legal > structure is now essen

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

The letter was written collaboratively and announced in IRC, village pump, mailing list, facebook, twitter, ... so i think it does represent the views of all Brazilians who are interested on it. We do know a legal structure is now essential, and we are developing the legal structure (rewriting

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

I find this all very sad. Who are the Brazilian volunteers, and how effectively do they represent the views of those Brazilians who are truly interested in Wikipedia in their country. The simple fact is that an agreement entered into by an ad hoc group binds no-one except the individuals that

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 27 August 2011 20:52, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > Ah, ok this is a recent thing then. Not really. It's mentioned on page 9 of the strategic plan: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/WMF_StrategicPlan2011_spreads.pdf The mention in the July report is just saying that things have sta

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

Ah, ok this is a recent thing then. Dan Rosenthal On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 10:49 PM, CasteloBranco < michelcastelobra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, Dan > > It was announced in WMF July Report [1] (last point in the "Brazil > Catalyst" section). > > [1] > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

Yes, Dan It was announced in WMF July Report [1] (last point in the "Brazil Catalyst" section). [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Report,_July_2011#Brazil_Catalyst Castelo [[:m:User:Castelobranco]] Wikimedia Brasil Em 27/08/2011 16:20, Dan Rosenthal escreveu: > Uh did I

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

On 27 August 2011 20:20, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > Uh did I miss something? > >  2. Wikimedia Foundation will set up an office in Brazil in order to >   stimulate the development of projects to increase the penetration of >   Wikipedia in Brazil. This process was already launched with the >   search

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

Uh did I miss something? 2. Wikimedia Foundation will set up an office in Brazil in order to stimulate the development of projects to increase the penetration of Wikipedia in Brazil. This process was already launched with the search for locations, hiring lawyers and the search for a p

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

For your information The Brazilian community is offering WMF a letter of agreement, which was collaboratively written. After the Brazilian participants shared their experience on what happened in Haifa, the whole community had one week to discuss and edit the content, which is now available on