Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

On 9 February 2011 19:33, Strainu wrote: > Anyway, was there an event prompting this change or you just thought > it was a great idea to get some IDs from the volunteers? Yes. The previous arrangement was pretty much security theatre. I emailed a scan of my driver's licence - it was genuine (OM

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

2011/2/5 Steven Walling : > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Birgitte SB wrote: > > My real, huge, jaw-hitting-the-floor, issue with your response is that you >> preferred "the news about an upcoming change trickl[e] out into the >> community >> prior to an official announcement" (gossip) over a po

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

2011/2/4 MZMcBride : > Hi. > > This doesn't seem to have hit this list yet, so I'm posting here for general > information and discussion. > > Effective February 1, 2011, there are two substantive changes to the > policies and procedures surrounding identifying to the Wikimedia Foundation. As a Com

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Birgitte SB wrote: My real, huge, jaw-hitting-the-floor, issue with your response is that you > preferred "the news about an upcoming change trickl[e] out into the > community > prior to an official announcement" (gossip) over a posting to foundation-l. > You > ju

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

- Original Message > From: Steven Walling > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > Sent: Fri, February 4, 2011 2:50:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and >procedures > > I would agree with you Birgitte, except that M

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

Steven Walling wrote: > I would agree with you Birgitte, except that MZ talked to Christine and > Philippe about the issue beforehand and was specifically asked not to post > about it here until Philippe is back and any questions can be answered. >From what I've read here and elsewhere, you're abo

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Birgitte SB wrote: >> From: Steven Walling >> Demanding  answers on Foundation-l is a lot different than the news about an >> upcoming  change trickling out into the community prior to an official >> announcement.  The latter does no harm. The former can derail a p

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:15 PM, whothis wrote: > I agree with Brigitte completely. > > Phoebe, love you for trying to answer this but I don't completely agree with > your assumptions. This seems to be going on more and more recently with the > staff. There seems to be a huge communication gap her

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

Hi Steven Walling, I would say your tone might have been a bit abrasive from the beginning but I am assuming good faith. I absolutely love Michael Snow's take on the situation, I hope that the staff members are reading it too. On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Steven Walling wrote: > I would agree

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

I would agree with you Birgitte, except that MZ talked to Christine and Philippe about the issue beforehand and was specifically asked not to post about it here until Philippe is back and any questions can be answered. To answer Elizabeth: I am listed on the staff page at wikimediafoundation.org.

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

On 2/4/2011 11:19 AM, Birgitte SB wrote: > I imagine MZMcBride's inquiries have so often been slanted as though they had > originated from a hardened negative opinion, because he gets his information > from the gossip network rather than the WMF. I think I am so often ignorant > because I do the op

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

essage > > From: Steven Walling > > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > > Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 10:03:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and > >procedures > > > > > > > Demanding answers on Foun

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:59 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > > My issue is that this was presumably discussed for weeks prior to the > announcement to the OTRS list, without any community notification. Even a > courtesy heads-up ("we're currently re-evaluating whether certain > volunteers > need to identif

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

- Original Message > From: Steven Walling > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 10:03:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and >procedures > > > Demanding answers on Foundation-l is

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:59 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > phoebe ayers wrote: >> It seems to me that a good-faith interpretation is that not announcing >> changes right this second was the right thing to do -- since there was >> so much controversy among OTRS agents the staff may choose to change >> or m

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

This is the first I've heard about this, as an OTRS volunteer for an English language non-info-en queue. I do not have the luxury of being subscribed to the OTRS mailing list, as it's restricted to those with access to the info-en queue. That subset of OTRS members is not equal to all of them. Th

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

Wait, so the policy change is about to be implemented, the discussion on private list has been going on for a while. Some peoples already submitted their IDs and the deadline for ID submission is in a few weeks...and asking about it here is being called presumptuous. How is it a "good-faith inter

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

phoebe ayers wrote: > It seems to me that a good-faith interpretation is that not announcing > changes right this second was the right thing to do -- since there was > so much controversy among OTRS agents the staff may choose to change > or modify the original plan, in which case it's not clear to

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

Why is it such a transgression to bring the discussion to foundation-l? The change was discussed on meta, announced on the otrs lists, etc... I'm not clear on what was left to decide in the discussion on OTRS, or why that discussion couldn't happen on a list with broader participation. The Foundati

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:09 PM, MZMcBride wrote: >> Steven Walling wrote: >>> These changes were going to be discussed and documented in public... >> [...] >>> Speaking as an OTRS volunteer not as a staff member (this initiative isn't >>> part

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:09 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Steven Walling wrote: >> These changes were going to be discussed and documented in public... > [...] >> Speaking as an OTRS volunteer not as a staff member (this initiative isn't >> part of my job)... > > I don't follow. How do you know that thes

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

Max, Thanks for raising all these good and important questions. I think that we really should wait until Philippe gets back. He is leading this. The couple of other staffers capable of dealing with these questions are busy with other work. And anyways, it would be better not to have the discussion

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

Christine Moellenberndt wrote: > I understand the frustration here, but Board policy says that those with > access to non-public data must ID to the Foundation... Will local administrators be next? Surely they have access to deleted content, which is non-public data. > We are working with the OTR

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

Steven,The Meta page for OTRS was updated to reflect the changes from Feb 1. http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=OTRS/volunteering/Header&diff=prev&oldid=2341291 http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/inde

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Christine Moellenberndt wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Yes, there are some changes happening.  We announced it to the OTRS > volunteers as they are the first to be directly impacted by this > change.  Part of being an OTRS volunteer is the agreement that they > would be

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

Hi everyone, Yes, there are some changes happening. We announced it to the OTRS volunteers as they are the first to be directly impacted by this change. Part of being an OTRS volunteer is the agreement that they would be willing to provide identification to the Foundation if requested. I un

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

Risker, I'm not arguing here about the merits of the change itself. All I said is that demanding answers about a very sensitive discussion on a private mailing list is inappropriate right now, and that there's no reason to panic, since the standard operating procedure is to make a public announcem

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

On 3 February 2011 22:27, Steven Walling wrote: > The discussion has only been going on at the OTRS list sine February 1st. I > know a public announcement is coming because it's standard operating > procedure at the Foundation. Please be patient. > > Steven, I recognize you're in a difficult spot

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > The discussion has only been going on at the OTRS list sine February 1st. I > know a public announcement is coming because it's standard operating > procedure at the Foundation. Please be patient. at the english otrs list, to be precise ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

The discussion has only been going on at the OTRS list sine February 1st. I know a public announcement is coming because it's standard operating procedure at the Foundation. Please be patient. On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:09 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Steven Walling wrote: > > These changes were going t

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

Steven Walling wrote: > These changes were going to be discussed and documented in public... [...] > Speaking as an OTRS volunteer not as a staff member (this initiative isn't > part of my job)... I don't follow. How do you know that these changes were going to be discussed and documented in publi

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

These changes were going to be discussed and documented in public, but they weren't announced publicly yet because staff are still in discussion on the OTRS mailing list and wiki with those volunteers about the best way for the new identification process to work. OTRS volunteers and the groups who'

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

Nathan wrote: > Where were the changes announced, and who announced them? An e-mail was sent by an OTRS admin to (at least) otrs-e...@lists.wikimedia.org and otrs-permission...@lists.wikimedia.org on February 1, 2011 announcing these changes. I personally don't see any reason that the author or co

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

Where were the changes announced, and who announced them? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

[Foundation-l] Changes to the identification policies and procedures

Hi. This doesn't seem to have hit this list yet, so I'm posting here for general information and discussion. Effective February 1, 2011, there are two substantive changes to the policies and procedures surrounding identifying to the Wikimedia Foundation. The first change is that OTRS agents will