Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-17 Thread stevertigo
Jay Walsh wrote: > We've seen a lot of comments about the size of the puzzle globe, and I don't > >disagree that it might benefit from being increased in size slightly. And shrinking makes the puzzle pieces - the cornerstone of the original winning design - ambiguous. How ambiguous? For example

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-14 Thread Jon Harald Søby
2010/5/14 Jay Walsh > Hi folks, > > The UX team folks have prepared a new rendering of the mark and it's > available for review on the Prototype wiki: > http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org/Main_Page > > I've made a short update the conversation thread on commons here: > > http://commo

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-14 Thread Jay Walsh
Hi folks, The UX team folks have prepared a new rendering of the mark and it's available for review on the Prototype wiki: http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org/Main_Page I've made a short update the conversation thread on commons here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikipedia/

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-14 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Casey Brown wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: >> Is there a page on Meta for discussing the new logo?  Among other >> things, we need somewhere to discuss progress on localizing the new >> logo into different languages. Perhaps the old

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-14 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Robert Rohde wrote: > Myself and several other people find the new Wikipedia logo to be > rather disappointing. Specifically it seems too small (lots of empty > white space), and the edges of the puzzle pieces lack definition when > shown at the web scale. For a discussion of this, including poss

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-14 Thread Casey Brown
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > Is there a page on Meta for discussing the new logo?  Among other > things, we need somewhere to discuss progress on localizing the new > logo into different languages. Perhaps the old Logo page could be > updated with the latest status and l

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-14 Thread Robert Rohde
Some technical questions about the logo: 1) What software was used in making the 3D model? 2) Are the data files for that model available somewhere? (Or will they be made available?) 3) The SVG files provided appear to be based on painted wire frames rather than true 3D renderings. This makes

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Samuel Klein
Vector is lovely, and continues to grow on me for browsing. Thank you to everyone who has worked on it! On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Jay Walsh wrote: > The first major change you'll see is a slightly different looking > Wikipedia puzzle globe. Over a year ago the Foundation began to It'

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Stephen Bain
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Kalan wrote: > > As demonstrated at > , simply resizing > and re-contrasting doesn’t help much: the shape is still poor. So this > is what should be focused IMO; apparently making the logo as similar > to older o

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread quiddity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DragonHawk/2010_logo#Comparison That's the clearest demonstration of the difference in size. New and Old compared. Both images are 250pixels wide. They should be basically equal, but are not. Those 2 images also clearly show the difference in detail, and why peopl

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Platonides
Brian S wrote: > I think you mean > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/b/bc/20100513062230!Wiki.png. Oh, right. I have still cached the nohat version on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Wiki.png ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Brian S
I think you mean http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/b/bc/20100513062230!Wiki.png. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Platonides wrote: > Mike.lifeguard wrote: >> The globe isn't actually too small, I think it just _looks_ that way >> because: >> >> 1) the new logo has more space in it

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Platonides
Mike.lifeguard wrote: > The globe isn't actually too small, I think it just _looks_ that way > because: > > 1) the new logo has more space in it, in particular at the top > > 2) the new logo is typically viewed with Vector, which has more space > around the logo than monobook did. Take a look at

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Steven Walling
In regards to the new logo, 1. I like it. It looks a little odd by itself, but I think it really shines when you see it in Vector. It fits with a less boxy, sharp and jarring look like monobook has given us for years. A little larger couldn't hurt, but I'd like to remind people that a softer look

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Kalan wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 22:44, Jay Walsh wrote: >> We've seen a lot of comments about the size of the puzzle globe, and I don't >> disagree that it might benefit from being increased in size slightly.  I >> feel this might also affect the overall

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Kalan
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 22:44, Jay Walsh wrote: > We've seen a lot of comments about the size of the puzzle globe, and I don't > disagree that it might benefit from being increased in size slightly.  I feel > this might also affect the overall contrast and definition.  The whole > usability tea

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Jay Walsh
Thanks, Lodewijk We've seen a lot of comments about the size of the puzzle globe, and I don't disagree that it might benefit from being increased in size slightly. I feel this might also affect the overall contrast and definition. The whole usability team is collecting feedback on this, and p

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Austin Hair wrote: >> I am less confident about unbalanced. The old logo could also be said >> to be visually unbalanced and perhaps we're just used to it? > > I'm sure that's part of it—the old one really does look a bit crowd

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread phoebe ayers
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Austin Hair wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >> Oh well— at least we've got something to complain about and improve. > > We could always go back to talking about porn on Commons. > > Austin n. what about Wikimania rot

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Austin Hair
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Austin Hair wrote: >> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:32 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: >>> I think you missed it because it wasn't really discussed before as >>> part of the vector update... right? I admit I didn't r

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Platonides
Jay Walsh wrote: > Right now volunteers are working with the new localization guide to create > the hundreds of new identities needed for each language variation of > Wikipedia. You can see the Commons gallery filling up here: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia/2.0 This should the le

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Austin Hair wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:32 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: >> I think you missed it because it wasn't really discussed before as >> part of the vector update... right? I admit I didn't read all the >> announcements, but was this discussed/announced

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Victor Vasiliev wrote: > > What should be my course of action if I find that the replacement of the > old 3D logo with a new "wannabe-Web-2.0" melted circle offends my > aesthetic sense to the degree inexpressible in any human language? I'd try to express it

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Austin Hair
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:32 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > I think you missed it because it wasn't really discussed before as > part of the vector update... right? I admit I didn't read all the > announcements, but was this discussed/announced earlier? That's the point I was trying not to be a jerk a

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread phoebe ayers
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Austin Hair wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Lodewijk wrote: >> However, I am missing why it was decided to decrease the size of the >> logo. It definitely looks more professional, but also somewhat less >> friendly to me. Maybe it is just me, maybe not -

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread stevertigo
Jay Walsh wrote: > SVG versions of the new globe, and the Wikipedia identity can be found here: > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_official_marks > I don't believe all of those assets have migrated to Commons yet. The new, smaller logo is visible now on Wikipedia. I think it needs re

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Austin Hair
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > However, I am missing why it was decided to decrease the size of the > logo. It definitely looks more professional, but also somewhat less > friendly to me. Maybe it is just me, maybe not - I just would like to > understand the rationale first. >

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Victor Vasiliev
Hello! What should be my course of action if I find that the replacement of the old 3D logo with a new "wannabe-Web-2.0" melted circle offends my aesthetic sense to the degree inexpressible in any human language? --vvv ___ foundation-l mailing list f

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Jay, thanks for your update. I am glad that the characters etc have been so thoroughly prepared, and I followed some of it - great team effort indeed. However, I am missing why it was decided to decrease the size of the logo. It definitely looks more professional, but also somewhat less friend

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2010/5/13 Jay Walsh : > SVG versions of the new globe, and the Wikipedia identity can be found here: > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_official_marks > > I don't believe all of those assets have migrated to Commons yet. > > Hope you won't forget to change the logo here: http://www.w

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Robert Rohde
Myself and several other people find the new Wikipedia logo to be rather disappointing. Specifically it seems too small (lots of empty white space), and the edges of the puzzle pieces lack definition when shown at the web scale. For a discussion of this, including possible tweaks to make it bolde

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread K. Peachey
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > I have to say that I have been eagerly awaiting this day since I saw the > first designs come out of the UX team's work (about a year ago?) > > To anyone, volunteer or Foundation employee, who made the impending switch > to Vector a possibil

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-12 Thread Steven Walling
I have to say that I have been eagerly awaiting this day since I saw the first designs come out of the UX team's work (about a year ago?) To anyone, volunteer or Foundation employee, who made the impending switch to Vector a possibility, I want to express my sincerest thanks. Steven Walling http:

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-12 Thread Jay Walsh
SVG versions of the new globe, and the Wikipedia identity can be found here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_official_marks I don't believe all of those assets have migrated to Commons yet. On May 12, 2010, at 8:19 PM, Aaron Adrignola wrote: > I looked but could not find an SVG ve

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-12 Thread Aaron Adrignola
I looked but could not find an SVG version of the new logo without text on Commons for those who would wish to update sister project templates on non-Wikipedia projects. Basically, it would be a cropped version of http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-puzzleglobe-V2.svg and at Commons

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Jay Walsh wrote: > It seemed like an opportune moment to take our 2D globe, lovingly created by > WP user:Nohat and improved/modified a cast of many other volunteers back in > 2003, and take it to a truly 3D object.  If we were going to undertake this > process

[Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-12 Thread Jay Walsh
Hi folks, Over the next day or so you'll be seeing some exciting changes to the Wikipedia user interface as Vector rolls out across English Wikipedia. In an earlier note on that topic, User Experience team project manager Naoko Komura mentioned another change - one that will bring some small im