Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

Hello Andrew, These are very fine ideas indeed. I have always found the 'breaking news' stories on Wikinews to be among its least interesting content, for all of the reasons you note. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Lih wrote: > Hi all, reading this thread with much interest. Lots of

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

And if I were to ask the community to make it? I would be perfectly willing to do the same thing. This should not be relevant in Wikimedia. If a pedophile says "We should put a picture of a naked child on every page of Wikipedia!", we should refute his idea on its merits, not based on the fact that

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > On 09/15/11 8:50 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> Wikisource, for example, needs money to scan books. Wiktionary needs >> also. Even Wikipedia benefits from the projects in which money has >> given for writing articles (last example: WM Canada prog

Re: [Foundation-l] Fw: [[Paul Rooney Partnership]]

If you are trying to imply the article should be deleted, Then nominate it for deletion at [[WP:AFD]][1], instead of canvassing on the mailing list. -Peachey [1]. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@li

[Foundation-l] Fw: [[Paul Rooney Partnership]]

Phil Nash wrote: > Nothing to make this firm notable within [[WP:CORP]], except that > they've been criticised for their compensation-seeking techniques; > well, hot dog, that isn't unusual in the post "ambulance-chasing" > culture of some law firms since solicitors were deregulated from > advertis

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:45 PM, M. Williamson wrote: > > Let me add to this that some of the same people compared my actions, in > supporting a technical move to change the ISO code of a Wikipedia, to those > of a group of Turkish soldiers who attempted to murder Kurdish women and > children. Thi

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of German speakers v the Foundation re an unknown system

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:00:05PM +0100, WereSpielChequers wrote: > Clearly the movement is in a bit of a quandary here. > > 2 Using the results of the consultation the devs code up a filter and > install it on a test wiki. This will enable people to know how it would > actually work and what (di

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

Let me add to this that some of the same people compared my actions, in supporting a technical move to change the ISO code of a Wikipedia, to those of a group of Turkish soldiers who attempted to murder Kurdish women and children. This game of nationalism and accusations is nothing new on Wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:33 PM, M. Williamson wrote: > Any proof of this? I don't seem to see anywhere that it says that > White_Cat's nationality is Turkish. Also, that holds little relevance. I > agree with him and I am certainly not Turkish. > > You may not find it relevant, which is fine. Ot

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

Any proof of this? I don't seem to see anywhere that it says that White_Cat's nationality is Turkish. Also, that holds little relevance. I agree with him and I am certainly not Turkish. 2011/9/16 Nathan > I don't think White_Cat's nomination is purely without ulterior motive, > unfortunately. A

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 22:53, schrieb Stephen Bain: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Andre Engels wrote: >> I'd say, drop the idea that the filter is supposed to be perfect. A filter >> that is little-used can get a rough content first time around, preferably >> specified by the person asking for the fil

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 22:52, schrieb Stephen Bain: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Tobias Oelgarte > wrote: >> Depending on the settings of the user some kind of Javascript will hide >> the images. This "passed along" labels could simply be used to exclude >> the image as the whole, making the "show i

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

I don't think White_Cat's nomination is purely without ulterior motive, unfortunately. As some editors from ku.wp have alluded to, the issue of the name and designation of the "Kurdish Wikipedia" has ethnic and nationalist ramifications on both sides of the debate. Several of the ku.wp editors are

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 22:37, schrieb Andre Engels: > There might be a difference because of the differences in voting > requirements - those were very low for the 'referendum', so there would be a > possibly large percentage of people who aren't hardcore Wikimedians, but > people who are mostly readers and

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of German speakers v the Foundation re an unknown system

I would like to see a minor clarification to your suggested actions WSC. If the WMF commission any further round of analysis or referendums there must be openly reported direct costs and some reasonable measure of the lost opportunity cost of volunteer time used to discuss, analyse and contribute t

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of German speakers v the Foundation re an unknown system

On 16 September 2011 23:00, WereSpielChequers wrote: > > While I personally probably wouldn't use a filter I'm more than happy that > those who want to filter out spiders, penises, artwork banned by their > religion and indeed various degrees of nudity can do so. But again this requires no founda

[Foundation-l] 86% of German speakers v the Foundation re an unknown system

Clearly the movement is in a bit of a quandary here. The Board, some of whom have been elected by the whole community, has decided to implement an image filter, the full details of which have not yet been announced/designed. The Foundation announced a referendum, but actually ran a consultation,

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

On 16/09/11 14:37, とある白い猫 wrote: > It is proposed that Kurdish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_language) > wikipedia (ku.wikipedia) be renamed to Kurmanji wikipedia (kmr.wikipedia) Please note that we are not doing wiki renames yet for technical reasons. Nothing really preventing it, but w

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikizine Opinion - Year: 2011 Week: 38 Number: 128 BIS

May I suggest using MailChimp? On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:41 PM, EN Wikizine wrote: > ** > Wikizine.org's >___ _ _ > /___\ _ __ (_) _ __ (_) ___ _ __ > // //| '_ \ | || '_ \ | | / _ \ | '_ \ > / \_// | |_) || || | | || || (_) |

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Andre Engels wrote: > > I'd say, drop the idea that the filter is supposed to be perfect. A filter > that is little-used can get a rough content first time around, preferably > specified by the person asking for the filter, then people using the filter > can sugges

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > > Depending on the settings of the user some kind of Javascript will hide > the images. This "passed along" labels could simply be used to exclude > the image as the whole, making the "show image" button disappear. That would depend on the

Re: [Foundation-l] "All human knowledge", by Jimmy Wales (?)

Hi; Perhaps, you may want to help me compiling information about this topic and improving the estimate.[1] There is a false sensation about Wikipedia being almost complete. In the other hand, projects like WikiSource are in their infance, for example, Internet Archive hosts about 3 million public

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Tobias Oelgarte < tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com> wrote: > This would imply that the referendum indeed asked the wrong questions. > If all would have equal values, then i must wonder about the strong > difference in result. We have a referendum which points out th

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

> I'd say, drop the idea that the filter is supposed to be perfect. A filter > that is little-used can get a rough content first time around, preferably > specified by the person asking for the filter, then people using the filter > can suggest adding or removing images. Volunteers can go and work

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 21:57, schrieb Andre Engels: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Tobias Oelgarte< > tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> I would not have any problems if we would not play in the hands of >> censors (local ISPs, a simple proxy, regimes, institutions, ...) by >> actually labelin

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Sorry, I dropped some hot food on me as I wrote this, and then apparently accidentily hit sent. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Andre Engels wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Tobias Oelgarte < > tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> I would not have any problems if we would not pl

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 21:01, schrieb Milos Rancic: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 19:56, Tobias Oelgarte > wrote: >> Am 16.09.2011 19:13, schrieb Milos Rancic: >> You would have to proof that your facts are indeed true. But if you >> accept it as a huge difference between cultures, how can you impose a >> fil

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Tobias Oelgarte < tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com> wrote: > I would not have any problems if we would not play in the hands of > censors (local ISPs, a simple proxy, regimes, institutions, ...) by > actually labeling content as objectionable. Which gives away the co

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 20:17, Kim Bruning wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 09:01:04PM +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: >> It's not so hard to guess if you followed them for some time: >> * Ting: ambivalent; would be much more happy without the whole drama >> * Jan-Bart: not his business, will support w

[Foundation-l] Wikizine Opinion - Year: 2011 Week: 38 Number: 128 BIS

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Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

On 09/15/11 8:50 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 16:43, Andrew Lih wrote: >> That's a erroneous comparison -- those same WMF employees keep the >> servers running for all of Wikimedia. It's not specific to >> Wikipedia's community fundamentals for encyclopedia writing. > "runn

Re: [Foundation-l] "All human knowledge", by Jimmy Wales (?)

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, emijrp wrote: > I think that the phrase meaning refered to Wikipedia is "the sum of all > human knowledge which is notable and encyclopedic". > > Not ALL, ALL, ALL human knowledge. MySpace discarded. When you look back to when that quote was issued (at least 2004

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Andrea Zanni wrote: > I think Wikinews could work well on some topics, news that don't last > a single day, but instead > needs a history and a timetable. On those topics, Wikinews could fill > an informative gap, > because even newspapers archives are just aggrega

Re: [Foundation-l] "All human knowledge", by Jimmy Wales (?)

Don't worry emijrp, I guess no German may hit your idea - MySpace things may be unproblematic omitted in convention: For knowing mere facts, they don't use this word - it's Kennen or Kenntnis. Not Wissen. I'd like to add, while German is not my mother tongue, in the German language "Wissen" is not

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 20:38, schrieb phoebe ayers: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Tobias Oelgarte > wrote: >> 86% of the German contributers opposed the feature. Does the same >> pattern apply to the global poll, or was it just the difference in >> question? We don't know as long per project data isn

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 20:19, schrieb Andre Engels: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Tobias Oelgarte< > tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > >> You would have to proof that your facts are indeed true. But if you >> accept it as a huge difference between cultures, how can you impose a >> filter for

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 09:01:04PM +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: > It's not so hard to guess if you followed them for some time: > * Ting: ambivalent; would be much more happy without the whole drama > * Jan-Bart: not his business, will support whatever others support > * Phoebe: in favor > * Stu: not

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 08:19:05PM +0200, Andre Engels wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Tobias Oelgarte < > tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > You would have to proof that your facts are indeed true. But if you > > accept it as a huge difference between cultures, how can you

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 07:13:26PM +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: > I would repeat the best possible solution to end this: Implement it on > English Wikipedia -- you (those who want that filter) have some > numbers which would support that action -- and leave the rest of the > projects alone. Thanks f

Re: [Foundation-l] "All human knowledge", by Jimmy Wales (?)

I think that the phrase meaning refered to Wikipedia is "the sum of all human knowledge which is notable and encyclopedic". Not ALL, ALL, ALL human knowledge. MySpace discarded. 2011/9/16 Ziko van Dijk > Hello, > > Today I read on a WMDE driven website: > > "»Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 19:56, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > Am 16.09.2011 19:13, schrieb Milos Rancic: > You would have to proof that your facts are indeed true. But if you > accept it as a huge difference between cultures, how can you impose a > filter for a culture that doesn't need it or wants it?

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

On 09/14/11 9:12 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 20:03, Theo10011 wrote: >> I think Wikinews needs to find its own identity first. There is no way it >> can compete with large news sites you are thinking of, but there are plenty >> of other ways it can have its own identity. In t

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Sep 16, 2011 7:39 PM, "phoebe ayers" wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Tobias Oelgarte > wrote: > > 86% of the German contributers opposed the feature. Does the same > > pattern apply to the global poll, or was it just the difference in > > question? We don't know as long per project

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On 16 September 2011 02:14, Fae wrote: > What a strange assumption from Peter. I don't believe for one minute > that WMF would commission a global referendum and then ignore the > results. If there has been an official statement along these lines I > would love to be pointed to it. Yikes, this i

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Yes, and as was mentioned previously this should be a very easy query to run. People are wondering why the data isn't already available. 2011/9/16 phoebe ayers > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Tobias Oelgarte > wrote: > > 86% of the German contributers opposed the feature. Does the same > >

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > 86% of the German contributers opposed the feature. Does the same > pattern apply to the global poll, or was it just the difference in > question? We don't know as long per project data isn't released. I > repeatedly asked for this data for

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

You miss the point that German contributers are bound to German law. They have to play along the German- or DACH (German, Austria, Switzerland) law, if they don't want to be in personal trouble. Since we don't want the provider, the WMF, to be in trouble we also comply to US-law as well. Thats

Re: [Foundation-l] "All human knowledge", by Jimmy Wales (?)

> And I think that there is a huge difference between "the sum of > all..." and "all...". By the way, the traditional encyclopedias > described themselves by "the sum of all..." Can you explain this perceived difference? Is the whole more than the sum of its parts, so that the German claim is too

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

On 09/14/11 1:44 PM, Sarah wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 14:28, Theo10011 wrote: >> I doubt that would be enough to satisfy the no original research >> requirement. The idea linking back to a Wikimedia project as a source is not >> a new one, it has been tried many times and doesn't work. > The

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Tobias Oelgarte < tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com> wrote: > You would have to proof that your facts are indeed true. But if you > accept it as a huge difference between cultures, how can you impose a > filter for a culture that doesn't need it or wants it? > Just

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

While opposition comments of the local community may be full of irrelevant political and controversial references, the arguments in support of the rename aren't anything of the sort. It may be difficult to follow the meta page as there is so much irrelevant posts by the ku.wiki community and that

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 19:54, schrieb Fae: >> That's a terrible thing to think of them. Of course, it would be >> immediately alleviated by publishing the data. > Hang on, I thought that http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Values > (which underpin the Mission) means that WMF is obliged by their own > publis

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Since when is the German Wikipedia under the domain of German jurisdiction? The German Wikipedia is an international project hosted in the United States. Am I missing something here? Ryan Kaldari On 9/16/11 3:48 AM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > That is an legal issue. We do that to comply with the

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 19:13, schrieb Milos Rancic: > * There is significant disproportion in position between editors with > a couple of edits and the core of the community. That still has to be proven. I asked for localized (project based) data from the poll to inspect if there are huge cultural differe

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

> That's a terrible thing to think of them. Of course, it would be > immediately alleviated by publishing the data. Hang on, I thought that http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Values (which underpin the Mission) means that WMF is obliged by their own published bylaws to openly publish the data in

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 19:35, M. Williamson wrote: > In this case, I do not think anything local changed by langcom, the > foundation, or anybody else unless it creates legal problems. The only thing > this request covers is the code itself, which is currently wrong since "ku" > is a macrolanguag

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On 16 September 2011 18:13, Milos Rancic wrote: > * It's likely that staff and Board already know that correlation > between the results of German Wikipedia referendum and global survey > could be drawn to support previous two conclusions. Thus, they don't > want to publish that part of data. T

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

I think there is a misunderstanding with regards to the scope of the request. Both Kurmanji and Sorani Wikipedias actually currently are labelled in interwiki links and bills itself sometimes as "Kurdish Wikipedia". These are both local issues and this request is not asking them to stop that. The o

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 18:52, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > Am 16.09.2011 16:15, schrieb Milos Rancic: >> It's about implementing image filter on images which have copyright >> problems in Germany (but not in US), not about nudity. >> > And it got awesomely off-topic. Now we discuss about an opt-in fi

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > Am 16.09.2011 16:27, schrieb Jussi-Ville Heiskanen: >> So? >> What is your obsession with nudity about? The filter isn't >> about nudity. >> > You may not noticed it. It _is_ about nudity _and_ many more > controversial topics as well. Sayi

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 16:47, schrieb Milos Rancic: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 16:27, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > wrote: >> What is your obsession with nudity about? The filter isn't >> about nudity. > Ah, you are right! I completely missed the point of the image filter > because my obsession... It's about sca

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 16:27, schrieb Jussi-Ville Heiskanen: > So? > What is your obsession with nudity about? The filter isn't > about nudity. > You may not noticed it. It _is_ about nudity _and_ many more controversial topics as well. Saying that it _is not_ about nudity would be a blatant lie. ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

2011/9/16 M. Williamson : > It's not irrelevant because if approved, it could be added to list of > pending name changes. The problem with the request is that it's not in the scope of Language committee. Renaming "zh-min-nan" into "nan" is in the scope, as it deals with simple code change. Renamin

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 16:15, schrieb Milos Rancic: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 13:45, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:50, Tobias Oelgarte >>> wrote: Am 16.09.2011 12:42, schrieb Milos Rancic: > On Fri, Sep 16,

Re: [Foundation-l] "All human knowledge", by Jimmy Wales (?)

I'm afraid it sounds a bit OT, but I'm serious, really. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello, > > Today I read on a WMDE driven website: > > "»Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der das gesamte Wissen der > Menschheit jedem frei zugänglich ist. Das ist unser Ziel.« > Jim

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

It's not irrelevant because if approved, it could be added to list of pending name changes. As far as codes representing macrolanguages, ku: is clearly a different situation than ar.wp. Arabic is a group of languages with a single unifying "macro" standard, which speakers of all Arabic languages l

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 16:46, Andrew Lih wrote: >> In my book I described Nupedia, and how that system of having a paid head didn't work out (namely, Larry Sanger as ed

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 16:27, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > wrote: >> What is your obsession with nudity about? The filter isn't >> about nudity. > > Ah, you are right! I completely missed the point of the image filter > because my obsession... It

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 16:27, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > What is your obsession with nudity about? The filter isn't > about nudity. Ah, you are right! I completely missed the point of the image filter because my obsession... It's about scared places of indigenous peoples of Australia and sim

Re: [Foundation-l] CC by-sa upheld in Germany, over a Commons photo

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Andrew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > wrote: >> Too bad Wikimedia TOS still labors under the misapprehension that the >> licence doesn't mean what it says. > > Can you be specific, to make this into actionable feedback?

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

I agree with Theo, at least to an extent. It seems to me that there is an *eternal* competition even between professional offerings to offer not only the latest news, but the best news. On the other hand, I do agree that I'm reluctant to use even the English Wikinews for informational purposes as t

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 13:45, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:50, Tobias Oelgarte >>> wrote: He did not. Optionally hiding of the image wouldn't

[Foundation-l] "All human knowledge", by Jimmy Wales (?)

Hello, Today I read on a WMDE driven website: "»Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der das gesamte Wissen der Menschheit jedem frei zugänglich ist. Das ist unser Ziel.« Jimmy Wales" (Imagine a world in which the entire knowledge of mankind is freely accessible to everyone. That is our goal.) I

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 15:07, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 16:46, Andrew Lih wrote: > >>> In my book I described Nupedia, and how that system of having a paid head >>> didn't work out (namely, Larry Sanger as edit

Re: [Foundation-l] CC by-sa upheld in Germany, over a Commons photo

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Too bad Wikimedia TOS still labors under the misapprehension that the > licence doesn't mean what it says. Can you be specific, to make this into actionable feedback? -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 16:46, Andrew Lih wrote: > >>> In my book I described Nupedia, and how that system of having a paid >>> head >>> didn't work out (namely, Larry Sanger as editor in chief). >> >> While I don't like Sanger, it shouldn

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

Hoi, The argument for or against using ku.wikipedia.org are interesting but at this time rather irrelevant.There is a long list of pending name changes waiting to happen. Also we are quite happy to keep codes that are in fact representing macro languages like ar or Arabic. Thanks, GerardM 20

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 13:45, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:50, Tobias Oelgarte >> wrote: >>> Am 16.09.2011 12:42, schrieb Milos Rancic: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:39, emijrp  wrote: > I think that we c

Re: [Foundation-l] CC by-sa upheld in Germany, over a Commons photo

OBJECTION! Not enough Phoenix Wright references! :p Indeed people often are discouraged from uploading images with a free license over fears of attribution. This is a nice step in the right direction. Congratulations! -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 22:18, David Gerard

Re: [Foundation-l] CC by-sa upheld in Germany, over a Commons photo

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:31 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 15 September 2011 23:22, Chris Keating wrote: > >> The judgement is a preliminary injunction prior to a hearing. Presumably the >> respondents will present a case at the hearing - do we know if they will >> present arguments that the CC-By

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 16:46, Andrew Lih wrote: >> In my book I described Nupedia, and how that system of having a paid head >> didn't work out (namely, Larry Sanger as editor in chief). > > While I don't like Sanger, it shouldn't be forgot

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 13:50, schrieb Strainu: > 2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte: >> We (the German authors) are bound to German law, since the page is >> directed at an major German readership (Schutzlandprinzip). But we also >> have to take care of US-law, since the servers are hosted inside the US. >> The late

[Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

Hi all, It is proposed that Kurdish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_language) wikipedia (ku.wikipedia) be renamed to Kurmanji wikipedia (kmr.wikipedia) as currently ku.wikipedia predominantly hosts a single dialect which is Kurmanji dialect of Kurdish. Local community oppose the proposal so

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte : > We (the German authors) are bound to German law, since the page is > directed at an major German readership (Schutzlandprinzip). But we also > have to take care of US-law, since the servers are hosted inside the US. > The later applies for the content the WMF hosts, no

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:50, Tobias Oelgarte > wrote: >> Am 16.09.2011 12:42, schrieb Milos Rancic: >>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:39, emijrp  wrote: I think that we can do a nice move here. We can enable image filter in German Wi

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:22 PM, emijrp wrote: > By the way, not all German Wikipedians/readers are under German laws. Most are. And if German Wikipedia community believes that in order for de.wp to be more useful it should be made redistributable under the law of most German-speaking countries,

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

It means that the German Wikipedia has to respect DACH(German, Austria, Switzerland)-law as well as US-law. The first affects the authors directly. The second because the servers are hosted in US. If we don't comply with US-law the page might be taken down by US jurisdiction. It we don't comply

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Peter Gervai wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:08, Tobias Oelgarte > wrote: >> A strong majority of 86% percent voted to not allow the personal image >> filter [2] , despite the fact that the board already decided to >> introduce the feature. > > I believe it i

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 13:22, schrieb emijrp: > Again, who are "we"? And why do German laws matter with USA servers? Why > does only German Wikipedia exclude that images? Are English Wikipedia or > Commons blocked in Germany? It's not like the picture is used in every Wikipedia either. How about we just ag

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Direct this question at Commons. Why are images deleted that are perfectly legal after US-law but not after DACH-(German, Austria, Switzerland)-law _and_ the other way around? Ask them, and you will get your answer. I mention this, because it is common practice, that you might not heard about.

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

German laws matter for german citizend. It's still not clear what that means for the rest of us (except that de.wp took a decision) 2011/9/16 emijrp : > Again, who are "we"? And why do German laws matter with USA servers? Why > does only German Wikipedia exclude that images? Are English Wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Again, who are "we"? And why do German laws matter with USA servers? Why does only German Wikipedia exclude that images? Are English Wikipedia or Commons blocked in Germany? By the way, not all German Wikipedians/readers are under German laws. And I don't remember any Wikipedia removing content t

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Warum werden Bilder die gemäß der Panoramafreiheit in DACH zulässig sind auf Commons gelöscht. Warum werden Bilder die über 100 jahre alt sind und bei denen der Autor unbekannt ist auf Commons gelöscht Wir brauchen also einen Filter der solche Bilder für Länder wegzensiert, die keine Panoramafreih

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:50, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > Am 16.09.2011 12:42, schrieb Milos Rancic: >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:39, emijrp  wrote: >>> I think that we can do a nice move here. We can enable image filter in >>> German Wikipedia for all those who don't want to see >>> copyrighted-im

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 12:57, schrieb emijrp: > 2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte > >> That is an legal issue. We do that to comply with the law, since that >> image isn't in public domain under German jurisdiction. >> > Who is "we"? And, why does German jurisdiction matter here? It's called "Schutzlandprinzip" [1]

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Very simple: There is the Schutzlandprinzip. [1] To bad that EN has no article for it. But you can read the following articles to understand why this example was stupid, and that we bound to this laws, even if the servers are at nirvana: * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_P

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Not really, no. What does german law have to do with reading or editing some website in Tampa or Virginia from somewhere in Asia? I can understand that german nationals cannot use that image, but whatabout other germen speakers? Strainu 2011/9/16 Liesel : > Your stupid! > > Am 16.09.2011 12:39, s

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Your stupid! Am 16.09.2011 12:39, schrieb emijrp: > Hi all; > > There are more issues with images in German Wikipedia. > > It is funny how German Wikipedia doesn't allow images[1] (image added by > me[2] in de:, and later removed by other[3]) because they follow the most > restrictive copyright

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte > That is an legal issue. We do that to comply with the law, since that > image isn't in public domain under German jurisdiction. > Who is "we"? And, why does German jurisdiction matter here? ___ foundation-l mailing list foun

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 16.09.2011 12:42, schrieb Milos Rancic: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:39, emijrp wrote: >> I think that we can do a nice move here. We can enable image filter in >> German Wikipedia for all those who don't want to see >> copyrighted-images-for-German-law, meanwhile allowing other people to see >

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