[Foundation-l] Flagged Protection update for May 13

As requested, here's the weekly Flagged Protection update. As I mentioned last week, we are starting pre-rollout activities while we finish up the last bits of development. Now that the successful launch of the new enwiki UI is out of the way, we will be getting together with Rob H. and the re

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

Vector is lovely, and continues to grow on me for browsing. Thank you to everyone who has worked on it! On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Jay Walsh wrote: > The first major change you'll see is a slightly different looking > Wikipedia puzzle globe. Over a year ago the Foundation began to It'

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

I continue to be inspired by the quality of discourse in this debate. Noein, I appreciate all of the points you make below, but want to call out one in particular: > My current vision is that there are several main obstacles to a free > interaction, for example: > - - illiteracy > - - no internet

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > This post by David does prove that it is possible to argue, with intellectual > integrity, that there are more important things at stake than getting Commons > into schools. Yes. All of our core principles are designed to maximize the lon

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Nathan wrote: > >> I'm not sure the presence or absence of a legal imperative is fully >> relevant to the underlying question. The Commons project has a moral >> responsibility to take reasonable steps to ensure that subjects of >> sexua

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Kalan wrote: > > As demonstrated at > , simply resizing > and re-contrasting doesn’t help much: the shape is still poor. So this > is what should be focused IMO; apparently making the logo as similar > to older o

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > > The obligation to protect people against an invasion of their privacy > is not limited to, or even mostly applicable to sexual images. > Although sexual images are one of several "most important" cases, the > moral imperative to respect

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Nathan wrote: > I'm not sure the presence or absence of a legal imperative is fully > relevant to the underlying question. The Commons project has a moral > responsibility to take reasonable steps to ensure that subjects of > sexually explicit media are (a) of lega

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Jehochman has suggested that we need legal advice from the Foundation at > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Sexual_content > > with respect to § 2257[1}, and I tend to agree with him. The relevant > discussion is here: > > ht

Re: [Foundation-l] Funny news from Poland

On Thursday, May 13, 2010, Pavlo Shevelo wrote: > Well, he might turn it another way: > He checked in person whether no real state secret is presented to > public in that article :) > > ... or (making some good PR for Wikimainia ;) ) that he checked > himself whether article is good enough as Wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

--- On Tue, 11/5/10, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > The obvious solution is not to display images by default > that a large > number of viewers would prefer not to view.  Instead, > provide links, > or maybe have them blurred out and allow a click to unblur > them.  You > don't hide any information from p

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DragonHawk/2010_logo#Comparison That's the clearest demonstration of the difference in size. New and Old compared. Both images are 250pixels wide. They should be basically equal, but are not. Those 2 images also clearly show the difference in detail, and why peopl

Re: [Foundation-l] Funny news from Poland

2010/5/13 geni : > 2010/5/13 Tomasz Ganicz : >> As you maybe now, after the sudden death of Lech Kaczynski (jn airjet >> crash in Smolens) we have now fast presidential election. One of the >> most serious candidates Bronisław Komorowski was cached with printed >> copy of Wikipedia article about >>

[Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

Jehochman has suggested that we need legal advice from the Foundation at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Sexual_content with respect to § 2257[1}, and I tend to agree with him. The relevant discussion is here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Sexual_content#The_Ca

Re: [Foundation-l] Funny news from Poland

2010/5/13 Tomasz Ganicz : > As you maybe now, after the sudden death of Lech Kaczynski (jn airjet > crash in Smolens) we have now fast presidential election. One of the > most serious candidates Bronisław Komorowski was cached with printed > copy of Wikipedia article about > > "Rada Bezpieczeństwa

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

Brian S wrote: > I think you mean > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/b/bc/20100513062230!Wiki.png. Oh, right. I have still cached the nohat version on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Wiki.png ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

I think you mean http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/b/bc/20100513062230!Wiki.png. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Platonides wrote: > Mike.lifeguard wrote: >> The globe isn't actually too small, I think it just _looks_ that way >> because: >> >> 1) the new logo has more space in it

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

Mike.lifeguard wrote: > The globe isn't actually too small, I think it just _looks_ that way > because: > > 1) the new logo has more space in it, in particular at the top > > 2) the new logo is typically viewed with Vector, which has more space > around the logo than monobook did. Take a look at

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Aryeh Gregor > wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Anthony wrote: > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Aryeh Gregor < > > simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com < > simetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com >> > wrote: > >> [[Daniel Pearl]] does not contain an image > >> of

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Aryeh Gregor < > simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com > wrote: >> [[Daniel Pearl]] does not contain an image >> of him being beheaded (although it's what he's famous for), and >> [[Goatse.cx]] does not contain an image of

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

In regards to the new logo, 1. I like it. It looks a little odd by itself, but I think it really shines when you see it in Vector. It fits with a less boxy, sharp and jarring look like monobook has given us for years. A little larger couldn't hurt, but I'd like to remind people that a softer look

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Kalan wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 22:44, Jay Walsh wrote: >> We've seen a lot of comments about the size of the puzzle globe, and I don't >> disagree that it might benefit from being increased in size slightly.  I >> feel this might also affect the overall

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 22:44, Jay Walsh wrote: > We've seen a lot of comments about the size of the puzzle globe, and I don't > disagree that it might benefit from being increased in size slightly.  I feel > this might also affect the overall contrast and definition.  The whole > usability tea

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

Thanks, Lodewijk We've seen a lot of comments about the size of the puzzle globe, and I don't disagree that it might benefit from being increased in size slightly. I feel this might also affect the overall contrast and definition. The whole usability team is collecting feedback on this, and p

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/05/2010 13:01, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > I don't know that reaching everybody was ever a stated goal. Being > theoretically available to everybody is a different matter... Ah, that's the part that is not clear to me. If you talk about the intrinsi

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Austin Hair wrote: >> I am less confident about unbalanced. The old logo could also be said >> to be visually unbalanced and perhaps we're just used to it? > > I'm sure that's part of it—the old one really does look a bit crowd

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Austin Hair wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >> Oh well— at least we've got something to complain about and improve. > > We could always go back to talking about porn on Commons. > > Austin n. what about Wikimania rot

Re: [Foundation-l] Appropriate surprise (Commons stuff)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, William Pietri wrote: > I was rummaging for story about Samuel Johnson and people hunting for > naughty words in his dictionary, when I came across a Google Books > reproduction of an 1896 periodical titled "The Homiletic Review"

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Austin Hair wrote: >> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:32 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: >>> I think you missed it because it wasn't really discussed before as >>> part of the vector update... right? I admit I didn't r

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

Jay Walsh wrote: > Right now volunteers are working with the new localization guide to create > the hundreds of new identities needed for each language variation of > Wikipedia. You can see the Commons gallery filling up here: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia/2.0 This should the le

Re: [Foundation-l] Appropriate surprise (Commons stuff)

On 05/13/2010 09:36 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > During the > Golden Age of Islam it was much more eclectic and > permissively pluralistic than the Christian or Jewish > cultures of the time [...] Which reminds me of another interesting historical tidbit. I was rummaging for story about

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Austin Hair wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:32 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: >> I think you missed it because it wasn't really discussed before as >> part of the vector update... right? I admit I didn't read all the >> announcements, but was this discussed/announced

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

Hi, On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Victor Vasiliev wrote: > > What should be my course of action if I find that the replacement of the > old 3D logo with a new "wannabe-Web-2.0" melted circle offends my > aesthetic sense to the degree inexpressible in any human language? I'd try to express it

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:32 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > I think you missed it because it wasn't really discussed before as > part of the vector update... right? I admit I didn't read all the > announcements, but was this discussed/announced earlier? That's the point I was trying not to be a jerk a

Re: [Foundation-l] Appropriate surprise (Commons stuff)

Ziko van Dijk wrote: > So when illustrating the article "Holocaust" you can and should use > pictures of dead bodies [1], but for a link from the Main page it is > preferred to use someting like the Entrance to Auschwitz [2]. > > Some Wikipedia commuties might want to have rules of their own, > dep

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Austin Hair wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Lodewijk wrote: >> However, I am missing why it was decided to decrease the size of the >> logo. It definitely looks more professional, but also somewhat less >> friendly to me. Maybe it is just me, maybe not -

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Noein wrote: > Thank you for this deep analysis. While claiming that we should not > compromise any of the principles, you didn't address directly the > possibility that we won't reach everybody if we don't compromise. > Reaching every human is a (currently and ap

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

2010/5/13 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > Samuel Klein wrote: >> >> I agree strongly with this.  You are right to point out the connection >> to improving BLP policies -- we should be much more careful to >> confirming model rights for people in any potentially exploitative or >> embarrassing photos. >>

Re: [Foundation-l] Appropriate surprise (Commons stuff)

Thank you for retaking the thread, Jussi-Ville. Please allow me to share some thoughts about attitudes on nudity, unneccessary provocation and Jimmy Wales' action. I remember something I heard on "Wikipedia Weekly", a year ago or so, I believe it was even before the Virginkiller issue (the Scorpio

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you for this deep analysis. While claiming that we should not compromise any of the principles, you didn't address directly the possibility that we won't reach everybody if we don't compromise. Reaching every human is a (currently and apparently)

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

Jay Walsh wrote: > SVG versions of the new globe, and the Wikipedia identity can be found here: > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_official_marks > I don't believe all of those assets have migrated to Commons yet. The new, smaller logo is visible now on Wikipedia. I think it needs re

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > However, I am missing why it was decided to decrease the size of the > logo. It definitely looks more professional, but also somewhat less > friendly to me. Maybe it is just me, maybe not - I just would like to > understand the rationale first. >

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

Hello! What should be my course of action if I find that the replacement of the old 3D logo with a new "wannabe-Web-2.0" melted circle offends my aesthetic sense to the degree inexpressible in any human language? --vvv ___ foundation-l mailing list f

Re: [Foundation-l] Appropriate surprise (Commons stuff)

Gregory Maxwell wrote: > There are also people who are honestly offended that some people are > offended by human sexuality content— and some of them view efforts to > curtail this content to be a threat to their own cultural values. If > this isn't your culture, please take a moment to ponder it.

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

Samuel Klein wrote: > > I agree strongly with this. You are right to point out the connection > to improving BLP policies -- we should be much more careful to > confirming model rights for people in any potentially exploitative or > embarrassing photos. > > Such ideas have been around for a long t

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

Tim Starling wrote: > > >> They are serving the interests of who? And who can revoke >> the trust upon a specific trustee, or the entire board, in the event >> it was misused? >> > > As a non-membership non-profit corporation, federal law dictates that > it must have a Board and that the Bo

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

Hi Jay, thanks for your update. I am glad that the characters etc have been so thoroughly prepared, and I followed some of it - great team effort indeed. However, I am missing why it was decided to decrease the size of the logo. It definitely looks more professional, but also somewhat less friend

Re: [Foundation-l] Funny news from Poland

Well, he might turn it another way: He checked in person whether no real state secret is presented to public in that article :) ... or (making some good PR for Wikimainia ;) ) that he checked himself whether article is good enough as Wikipedia project is so important (and because some of those na

Re: [Foundation-l] Funny news from Poland

2010/5/13 Tomasz Ganicz : > Journalist from Poland just started commenting if we really need a > president who's main source of  knowledge about national security > comes form Wikipedia :-). Better than Fox news, I'd wager :-) ___ foundation-l mailing l

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010/5/13 Jay Walsh : > SVG versions of the new globe, and the Wikipedia identity can be found here: > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_official_marks > > I don't believe all of those assets have migrated to Commons yet. > > Hope you won't forget to change the logo here: http://www.w

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

Myself and several other people find the new Wikipedia logo to be rather disappointing. Specifically it seems too small (lots of empty white space), and the edges of the puzzle pieces lack definition when shown at the web scale. For a discussion of this, including possible tweaks to make it bolde

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 announcement

On 13 May 2010 09:41, Marcin Cieslak wrote: >> The Wikimania jury has selected Haifa, Israel as the location for >> Wikimania 2011. > > Ther was a young jolly man from Haifa > Who logged in to get the best airfare >  The Internet said, "At once, >  you had to stop by in Gdansk > but you wouldn't m

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

Delirium wrote: > > I don't actually mind this proposal, and would like it myself for a lot > of pages. But I'm not sure naked people are actually at the top of the > list (perhaps someone should try to determine it empirically via some > sort of research on our readers?). If I personally were t

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > I have to say that I have been eagerly awaiting this day since I saw the > first designs come out of the UX team's work (about a year ago?) > > To anyone, volunteer or Foundation employee, who made the impending switch > to Vector a possibil

[Foundation-l] Funny news from Poland

As you maybe now, after the sudden death of Lech Kaczynski (jn airjet crash in Smolens) we have now fast presidential election. One of the most serious candidates Bronisław Komorowski was cached with printed copy of Wikipedia article about "Rada Bezpieczeństwa Narodowego" http://pl.wikipedia.org/

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 announcement

> The Wikimania jury has selected Haifa, Israel as the location for > Wikimania 2011. Ther was a young jolly man from Haifa Who logged in to get the best airfare The Internet said, "At once, you had to stop by in Gdansk but you wouldn't mind that, either?" Congratulations from the 2010 team