> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Andriy
> Gelman
> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 14:48
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
> On Fri
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> ffmpegandmahanstreamer
> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 18:55
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Soft Works
> Sent: Sunday, 15 August 2021 04:12
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
>
> Speaking of
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Nicolas
> George
> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 08:31
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
> Soft W
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Ronald S.
> Bultje
> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 19:32
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
> I&#
August 14, 2021 1:01 PM, "Nicolas George" wrote:
> ffmpegandmahanstreamer (12021-08-14):
>
>> The real person winning here is Soft Works. He must be laughing right now.
>>
>> Ah, your math degree coming into work here - "if and only if" ;)
>> Dont make broad generalizations however.
>>
>> Care
August 14, 2021 12:53 PM, "Nicolas George" wrote:
> Diederick C. Niehorster (12021-08-14):
>
>> Is there a mechanism to trigger such a vote? I hope the core developers
>> have one soon so the project can get moving on this.
>
> There is a mechanism. But as I explained there:
>
> https://ffmpeg
August 14, 2021 12:47 PM, "Nicolas George" wrote:
> Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12021-08-14):
>
>> The continuing attempt to declare developers who are favoring modern
>> workflows and tooling as newbies and unexperienced is a really disgusting
>> rhetoric.
>> I agree.
>
> Good thing it is not what I
August 14, 2021 12:40 PM, "Jean-Baptiste Kempf" wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Aug 2021, at 03:13, Soft Works wrote:
>
>> The continuing attempt to declare developers who are favoring modern
>> workflows and tooling as newbies and unexperienced is a really disgusting
>> rhetoric.
>
> I agree.
>
> Very co
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021, at 11:26, Nicolas George wrote:
> Hendrik Leppkes (12021-08-14):
> > I can only judge based on past discussion, and have no insight into
> > those that have never taken part in it.
> >
> > One more factor to consider in this line of thought however is, as
> > Ronald already st
Hi,
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 1:13 PM ffmpegandmahanstreamer
wrote:
> August 14, 2021 1:01 PM, "Nicolas George" wrote:
>
> > ffmpegandmahanstreamer (12021-08-14):
> >
> >> The real person winning here is Soft Works. He must be laughing right
> now.
> >>
> >> Ah, your math degree coming into work
ffmpegandmahanstreamer (12021-08-14):
> The real person winning here is Soft Works. He must be laughing right now.
> Ah, your math degree coming into work here - "if and only if" ;)
> Dont make broad generalizations however.
> Careful there. Don't you remember anything about the libav split?
Do
Diederick C. Niehorster (12021-08-14):
> Is there a mechanism to trigger such a vote? I hope the core developers
> have one soon so the project can get moving on this.
There is a mechanism. But as I explained there:
https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2021-August/283705.html
for this kind
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 11:26 Nicolas George wrote:
>
> I agree. But it is important to remember that before seriously
> considering any deep change, it would be necessary to actively poll the
> silent individual-minority-work-majority.
>
Is there a mechanism to trigger such a vote? I hope the cor
Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12021-08-14):
> > The continuing attempt to declare developers who are favoring modern
> > workflows and tooling as newbies and unexperienced is a really disgusting
> > rhetoric.
> I agree.
Good thing it is not what I wrote, then. I am a little disappointed that
you would mak
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021, at 03:13, Soft Works wrote:
> The continuing attempt to declare developers who are favoring modern
> workflows and tooling as newbies and unexperienced is a really disgusting
> rhetoric.
I agree.
Very complex projects, more complex than FFmpeg are on GitHub and Gitlab and
gt; Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> > with GitHub
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 03:14:36PM +, Soft Works wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > You do not need anybody's permission either to set up a gateway
> >
Hendrik Leppkes (12021-08-14):
> I can only judge based on past discussion, and have no insight into
> those that have never taken part in it.
>
> One more factor to consider in this line of thought however is, as
> Ronald already stated as well, how many developers might have
> contributed more,
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:43 AM Nicolas George wrote:
>
> Hendrik Leppkes (12021-08-14):
> > As far as I can remember, the number of people that have spoken out in
> > favor of continued use of the ML solution is the minority, some are
> > just rather vocal about it, and the lack of a "perfect" r
..@ffmpeg.org>
> > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> > with GitHub
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 03:14:36PM +, Soft Works wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > You do not need anybody's permission either to set up
August 14, 2021 12:34 AM, "zhilizhao(赵志立)" wrote:
>> On Aug 14, 2021, at 11:27 AM, ffmpegandmahanstreamer@e.email wrote:
>>
>> August 13, 2021 8:42 PM, "Ronald S. Bultje" wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:51 AM Nicolas George wrote:
>>
>> Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
>> From
Hendrik Leppkes (12021-08-14):
> As far as I can remember, the number of people that have spoken out in
> favor of continued use of the ML solution is the minority, some are
> just rather vocal about it, and the lack of a "perfect" replacement
> solution has resulted in none being implemented.
Do
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 2:42 AM Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:51 AM Nicolas George wrote:
>
> > Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
> > > From the point of view of someone who is currently developing a filter
> > for
> > > ffmpeg and will be submitting a patch to the list f
August 13, 2021 8:42 PM, "Ronald S. Bultje" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:51 AM Nicolas George wrote:
>
>> Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
>> From the point of view of someone who is currently developing a filter
>> for
>> ffmpeg and will be submitting a patch to the list for the first
August 13, 2021 9:30 PM, "Soft Works" wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Lynne
>> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 03:08
>> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
>> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestio
Soft Works (12021-08-14):
> The continuing attempt to declare developers who are favoring modern
> workflows and tooling as newbies and unexperienced is a really disgusting
> rhetoric.
Your misrepresentation of my statements is the really disgusting
rhetoric here.
What I have said is that newbie
> On Aug 14, 2021, at 11:27 AM, ffmpegandmahanstreamer@e.email wrote:
>
> August 13, 2021 8:42 PM, "Ronald S. Bultje" wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:51 AM Nicolas George wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
>>> From the point of view of someone who is currently developi
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Lynne
> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 03:08
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
> The situation is
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Ronald S.
> Bultje
> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 02:43
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
> Hi,
>
Aug 14, 2021, 02:42 by rsbul...@gmail.com:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:51 AM Nicolas George wrote:
>
>> Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
>> > From the point of view of someone who is currently developing a filter
>> for
>> > ffmpeg and will be submitting a patch to the list for the first time,
Hi,
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:51 AM Nicolas George wrote:
> Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
> > From the point of view of someone who is currently developing a filter
> for
> > ffmpeg and will be submitting a patch to the list for the first time, I
> > think this is a great idea.Whilst following simp
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Michael Niedermayer
> Sent: Friday, 13 August 2021 20:10
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> with Gi
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 03:14:36PM +, Soft Works wrote:
[...]
> > You do not need anybody's permission either to set up a gateway that
> > will re-post GitHub's PR and comments to the mailing-list and
> > reciprocally
>
> I would need permission to github/ffmpeg/ffmpeg in order to set
> up the
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Nicolas George
> Sent: Friday, 13 August 2021 11:54
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> with GitHub
Soft Works (12021-08-12):
> Yes, that's not what you wrote, but that attitude was shining out
> between the lines very clearly.
You are entirely responsible for your interpretation and all the
negative consequences it entails.
> > If you want the project to change its way of working to accommodat
iu
>> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
>> with GitHub
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think the people who want contribute patches to ffmpeg, they
>> can use any tools, whatever mail or GitHub.
>> If
I say leave it as is.
There's nothing stopping people from submitting a GitHub PR to the mirror repo.
If a maintainer
sees it and decides to pick it up, then they can re-post it to the ML. Imo,
that's completely up to them.
Also, git send-email takes about 2 minutes to configure. Gmail, Yahoo,
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Steven Liu
> Sent: Friday, 13 August 2021 05:01
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Cc: Steven Liu
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> 2021年8月12日 下午10:03，Diederick C. Niehorster 写道：
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 3:45 PM wrote:
>> I agree with softworkz here. There are skilled programmers who like mailing
>> lists, and ones that don't. Same goes with unskilled prorammers as well. The
>> times are changing and the project nee
August 12, 2021 4:51 AM, "Nicolas George" wrote:
> Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
>
>> From the point of view of someone who is currently developing a filter for
>> ffmpeg and will be submitting a patch to the list for the first time, I
>> think this is a great idea.Whilst following simple instructi
August 12, 2021 5:11 AM, "Soft Works" wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
>> Nicolas George
>> Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2021 10:51
>> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches > de...@ffmpeg.org>
>>
August 12, 2021 8:39 AM, "Kieran Kunhya" wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, 13:35 Nicolas George, wrote:
>
>> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
>> And how do the 1.5 billion Gmail users use SMTP without disabling
>> security
>> features?
>>
>> Do I need to do tech support for Google too?
>>
>> https://
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 3:45 PM wrote:
> I agree with softworkz here. There are skilled programmers who like mailing
> lists, and ones that don't. Same goes with unskilled prorammers as well. The
> times are changing and the project needs to be ready for that. Not everyone
> even likes mailing
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Nicolas George
> Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2021 14:18
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> with G
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Nicolas George
> Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2021 14:18
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> with GitHu
Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> So your walled garden that separates literally billions of people is the
> right one?
E-mail is, by construction, not a walled garden precisely because
you can use the software of your choice and interoperate with many
operators.
You have asked me to spare you a ra
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, 13:41 Nicolas George, wrote:
> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> > Thank you for confirming security features must be disabled. As you know
> > email is quite important for societal records such as vaccination
> > certificates and so I (and many others) will not be disabling sec
Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> Thank you for confirming security features must be disabled. As you know
> email is quite important for societal records such as vaccination
> certificates and so I (and many others) will not be disabling security on
> my email account.
>
> And I won't make another o
Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12021-08-12):
> No, but you can talk to people nicely.
Fair enough.
Can you call out Kieran too for his passive-aggressive "thank you for
confirming [the opposite of what I wrote]", please? It was not nice
either.
Regards,
--
Nicolas George
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, 13:35 Nicolas George, wrote:
> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> > And how do the 1.5 billion Gmail users use SMTP without disabling
> security
> > features?
>
> Do I need to do tech support for Google too?
>
> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7126229?hl=en
> https://suppo
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, at 14:35, Nicolas George wrote:
> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> > And how do the 1.5 billion Gmail users use SMTP without disabling security
> > features?
>
> Do I need to do tech support for Google too?
No, but you can talk to people nicely.
--
Jean-Baptiste Kempf - P
Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> And how do the 1.5 billion Gmail users use SMTP without disabling security
> features?
Do I need to do tech support for Google too?
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7126229?hl=en
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en
--
Nicolas George
s
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, 13:29 Nicolas George, wrote:
> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> > Can you first clarify where this SMTP server comes from as you
> conveniently
> > ignored this point?
>
> I already wrote: "the SMTP server of your mail provider".
>
And how do the 1.5 billion Gmail users use SM
Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> Can you first clarify where this SMTP server comes from as you conveniently
> ignored this point?
I already wrote: "the SMTP server of your mail provider".
--
Nicolas George
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, 13:23 Nicolas George, wrote:
> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> > Thank you for confirming you need to setup a mail server to use git
> > send-email.
>
> Can you clarify: is your problem that you do not know the difference
> between a client and a server, or is is more broadly
Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> Thank you for confirming you need to setup a mail server to use git
> send-email.
Can you clarify: is your problem that you do not know the difference
between a client and a server, or is is more broadly that you cannot
read sentences more than a few words long?
--
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, 13:11 Nicolas George, wrote:
> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> > It is practically impossible to use git send-email without running your
> own
> > mail server and having all the problems that entails (managing spam,
> making
> > sure you are not blacklisted etc).
>
> You can s
Soft Works (12021-08-12):
> Assuming that developers who submit patches via GitHub would be less
> skilled than those who work with a mailing list is arrogant and
> far away from reality.
Fortunately, that is not what I wrote. You could just have read my
arguments more carefully instead of subjec
Soft Works (12021-08-12):
> I'm using a git client that can also submit PRs to GitHub and that
> has always been fine and sufficient for hundreds of projects I've been
> working on or contributed to.
If your client can send PR to GitHub and not send e-mail, it is just
ridiculous.
Regards,
--
Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> It is practically impossible to use git send-email without running your own
> mail server and having all the problems that entails (managing spam, making
> sure you are not blacklisted etc).
You can set up a mail server configured to only accept outgoing e-mail
and r
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Kieran Kunhya
> Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2021 12:19
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> wi
On 2021-08-12 03:48 pm, Kieran Kunhya wrote:
# Thanks for your proposal. Your input will not be considered because it
# contains obvious and easily avoided flaws:
# [x] not following mailing-list rules;
# [x] not following coding style conventions;
# [ ] mangled or misformatted patch;
# [ ] p
>
>
> # Thanks for your proposal. Your input will not be considered because it
> # contains obvious and easily avoided flaws:
> # [x] not following mailing-list rules;
> # [x] not following coding style conventions;
> # [ ] mangled or misformatted patch;
> # [ ] problems of code hygiene;
> # [x] ba
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Nicolas George
> Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2021 10:51
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> with GitHu
Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
> From the point of view of someone who is currently developing a filter for
> ffmpeg and will be submitting a patch to the list for the first time, I
> think this is a great idea.Whilst following simple instructions to prepare
> and submit a patch should't be outside the
and patches >> de...@ffmpeg.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> >> with GitHub
> >>
> >> August 10, 2021 10:37 AM, "Soft Works" wrote:
> >
> > [..]
> >
> >> Just recent
eg.org>
>> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
>> with GitHub
>>
>> August 10, 2021 10:37 AM, "Soft Works" wrote:
>
> [..]
>
>> Just recently, I discovered a very interesting project:
>> https://gitgitgadget.gi
August 10, 2021 10:37 AM, "Soft Works" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A while ago there was a discussion about moving forward and
> migrating the ffmpeg development process from the mailing list to
> another platform (like GitLab).
> That discussion had died without further results and an important
> takea
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> ffmpegandmahanstreamer@e.email
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 August 2021 15:01
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Inte
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