> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Andriy
> Gelman
> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 14:48
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
> On Fri
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> ffmpegandmahanstreamer
> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 18:55
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Soft Works
> Sent: Sunday, 15 August 2021 04:12
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
>
> Speaking of
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Nicolas
> George
> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 08:31
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
> Soft W
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Ronald S.
> Bultje
> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 19:32
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
> I&#
August 14, 2021 1:01 PM, "Nicolas George" wrote:
> ffmpegandmahanstreamer (12021-08-14):
>
>> The real person winning here is Soft Works. He must be laughing right now.
>>
>> Ah, your math degree coming into work here - "if and only if" ;)
>> Dont make broad generalizations however.
>>
>> Care
August 14, 2021 12:53 PM, "Nicolas George" wrote:
> Diederick C. Niehorster (12021-08-14):
>
>> Is there a mechanism to trigger such a vote? I hope the core developers
>> have one soon so the project can get moving on this.
>
> There is a mechanism. But as I explained there:
>
> https://ffmpeg
August 14, 2021 12:47 PM, "Nicolas George" wrote:
> Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12021-08-14):
>
>> The continuing attempt to declare developers who are favoring modern
>> workflows and tooling as newbies and unexperienced is a really disgusting
>> rhetoric.
>> I agree.
>
> Good thing it is not what I
August 14, 2021 12:40 PM, "Jean-Baptiste Kempf" wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Aug 2021, at 03:13, Soft Works wrote:
>
>> The continuing attempt to declare developers who are favoring modern
>> workflows and tooling as newbies and unexperienced is a really disgusting
>> rhetoric.
>
> I agree.
>
> Very co
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021, at 11:26, Nicolas George wrote:
> Hendrik Leppkes (12021-08-14):
> > I can only judge based on past discussion, and have no insight into
> > those that have never taken part in it.
> >
> > One more factor to consider in this line of thought however is, as
> > Ronald already st
Hi,
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 1:13 PM ffmpegandmahanstreamer
wrote:
> August 14, 2021 1:01 PM, "Nicolas George" wrote:
>
> > ffmpegandmahanstreamer (12021-08-14):
> >
> >> The real person winning here is Soft Works. He must be laughing right
> now.
> >>
> >> Ah, your math degree coming into work
ffmpegandmahanstreamer (12021-08-14):
> The real person winning here is Soft Works. He must be laughing right now.
> Ah, your math degree coming into work here - "if and only if" ;)
> Dont make broad generalizations however.
> Careful there. Don't you remember anything about the libav split?
Do
Diederick C. Niehorster (12021-08-14):
> Is there a mechanism to trigger such a vote? I hope the core developers
> have one soon so the project can get moving on this.
There is a mechanism. But as I explained there:
https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2021-August/283705.html
for this kind
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 11:26 Nicolas George wrote:
>
> I agree. But it is important to remember that before seriously
> considering any deep change, it would be necessary to actively poll the
> silent individual-minority-work-majority.
>
Is there a mechanism to trigger such a vote? I hope the cor
Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12021-08-14):
> > The continuing attempt to declare developers who are favoring modern
> > workflows and tooling as newbies and unexperienced is a really disgusting
> > rhetoric.
> I agree.
Good thing it is not what I wrote, then. I am a little disappointed that
you would mak
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021, at 03:13, Soft Works wrote:
> The continuing attempt to declare developers who are favoring modern
> workflows and tooling as newbies and unexperienced is a really disgusting
> rhetoric.
I agree.
Very complex projects, more complex than FFmpeg are on GitHub and Gitlab and
gt; Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> > with GitHub
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 03:14:36PM +, Soft Works wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > You do not need anybody's permission either to set up a gateway
> >
Hendrik Leppkes (12021-08-14):
> I can only judge based on past discussion, and have no insight into
> those that have never taken part in it.
>
> One more factor to consider in this line of thought however is, as
> Ronald already stated as well, how many developers might have
> contributed more,
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:43 AM Nicolas George wrote:
>
> Hendrik Leppkes (12021-08-14):
> > As far as I can remember, the number of people that have spoken out in
> > favor of continued use of the ML solution is the minority, some are
> > just rather vocal about it, and the lack of a "perfect" r
..@ffmpeg.org>
> > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> > with GitHub
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 03:14:36PM +, Soft Works wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > You do not need anybody's permission either to set up
August 14, 2021 12:34 AM, "zhilizhao(赵志立)" wrote:
>> On Aug 14, 2021, at 11:27 AM, ffmpegandmahanstreamer@e.email wrote:
>>
>> August 13, 2021 8:42 PM, "Ronald S. Bultje" wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:51 AM Nicolas George wrote:
>>
>> Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
>> From
Hendrik Leppkes (12021-08-14):
> As far as I can remember, the number of people that have spoken out in
> favor of continued use of the ML solution is the minority, some are
> just rather vocal about it, and the lack of a "perfect" replacement
> solution has resulted in none being implemented.
Do
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 2:42 AM Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:51 AM Nicolas George wrote:
>
> > Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
> > > From the point of view of someone who is currently developing a filter
> > for
> > > ffmpeg and will be submitting a patch to the list f
August 13, 2021 8:42 PM, "Ronald S. Bultje" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:51 AM Nicolas George wrote:
>
>> Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
>> From the point of view of someone who is currently developing a filter
>> for
>> ffmpeg and will be submitting a patch to the list for the first
August 13, 2021 9:30 PM, "Soft Works" wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Lynne
>> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 03:08
>> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
>> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestio
Soft Works (12021-08-14):
> The continuing attempt to declare developers who are favoring modern
> workflows and tooling as newbies and unexperienced is a really disgusting
> rhetoric.
Your misrepresentation of my statements is the really disgusting
rhetoric here.
What I have said is that newbie
> On Aug 14, 2021, at 11:27 AM, ffmpegandmahanstreamer@e.email wrote:
>
> August 13, 2021 8:42 PM, "Ronald S. Bultje" wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:51 AM Nicolas George wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
>>> From the point of view of someone who is currently developi
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Lynne
> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 03:08
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
> The situation is
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Ronald S.
> Bultje
> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2021 02:43
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration with
> GitHub
>
> Hi,
>
Aug 14, 2021, 02:42 by rsbul...@gmail.com:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:51 AM Nicolas George wrote:
>
>> Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
>> > From the point of view of someone who is currently developing a filter
>> for
>> > ffmpeg and will be submitting a patch to the list for the first time,
Hi,
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:51 AM Nicolas George wrote:
> Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
> > From the point of view of someone who is currently developing a filter
> for
> > ffmpeg and will be submitting a patch to the list for the first time, I
> > think this is a great idea.Whilst following simp
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Michael Niedermayer
> Sent: Friday, 13 August 2021 20:10
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> with Gi
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 03:14:36PM +, Soft Works wrote:
[...]
> > You do not need anybody's permission either to set up a gateway that
> > will re-post GitHub's PR and comments to the mailing-list and
> > reciprocally
>
> I would need permission to github/ffmpeg/ffmpeg in order to set
> up the
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Nicolas George
> Sent: Friday, 13 August 2021 11:54
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> with GitHub
Soft Works (12021-08-12):
> Yes, that's not what you wrote, but that attitude was shining out
> between the lines very clearly.
You are entirely responsible for your interpretation and all the
negative consequences it entails.
> > If you want the project to change its way of working to accommodat
iu
>> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
>> with GitHub
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think the people who want contribute patches to ffmpeg, they
>> can use any tools, whatever mail or GitHub.
>> If
I say leave it as is.
There's nothing stopping people from submitting a GitHub PR to the mirror repo.
If a maintainer
sees it and decides to pick it up, then they can re-post it to the ML. Imo,
that's completely up to them.
Also, git send-email takes about 2 minutes to configure. Gmail, Yahoo,
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Steven Liu
> Sent: Friday, 13 August 2021 05:01
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Cc: Steven Liu
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> 2021年8月12日 下午10:03，Diederick C. Niehorster 写道：
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 3:45 PM wrote:
>> I agree with softworkz here. There are skilled programmers who like mailing
>> lists, and ones that don't. Same goes with unskilled prorammers as well. The
>> times are changing and the project nee
August 12, 2021 4:51 AM, "Nicolas George" wrote:
> Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
>
>> From the point of view of someone who is currently developing a filter for
>> ffmpeg and will be submitting a patch to the list for the first time, I
>> think this is a great idea.Whilst following simple instructi
August 12, 2021 5:11 AM, "Soft Works" wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
>> Nicolas George
>> Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2021 10:51
>> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches > de...@ffmpeg.org>
>>
August 12, 2021 8:39 AM, "Kieran Kunhya" wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, 13:35 Nicolas George, wrote:
>
>> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
>> And how do the 1.5 billion Gmail users use SMTP without disabling
>> security
>> features?
>>
>> Do I need to do tech support for Google too?
>>
>> https://
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 3:45 PM wrote:
> I agree with softworkz here. There are skilled programmers who like mailing
> lists, and ones that don't. Same goes with unskilled prorammers as well. The
> times are changing and the project needs to be ready for that. Not everyone
> even likes mailing
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Nicolas George
> Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2021 14:18
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> with G
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Nicolas George
> Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2021 14:18
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> with GitHu
Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> So your walled garden that separates literally billions of people is the
> right one?
E-mail is, by construction, not a walled garden precisely because
you can use the software of your choice and interoperate with many
operators.
You have asked me to spare you a ra
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, 13:41 Nicolas George, wrote:
> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> > Thank you for confirming security features must be disabled. As you know
> > email is quite important for societal records such as vaccination
> > certificates and so I (and many others) will not be disabling sec
Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> Thank you for confirming security features must be disabled. As you know
> email is quite important for societal records such as vaccination
> certificates and so I (and many others) will not be disabling security on
> my email account.
>
> And I won't make another o
Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12021-08-12):
> No, but you can talk to people nicely.
Fair enough.
Can you call out Kieran too for his passive-aggressive "thank you for
confirming [the opposite of what I wrote]", please? It was not nice
either.
Regards,
--
Nicolas George
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, 13:35 Nicolas George, wrote:
> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> > And how do the 1.5 billion Gmail users use SMTP without disabling
> security
> > features?
>
> Do I need to do tech support for Google too?
>
> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7126229?hl=en
> https://suppo
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, at 14:35, Nicolas George wrote:
> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> > And how do the 1.5 billion Gmail users use SMTP without disabling security
> > features?
>
> Do I need to do tech support for Google too?
No, but you can talk to people nicely.
--
Jean-Baptiste Kempf - P
Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> And how do the 1.5 billion Gmail users use SMTP without disabling security
> features?
Do I need to do tech support for Google too?
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7126229?hl=en
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en
--
Nicolas George
s
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, 13:29 Nicolas George, wrote:
> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> > Can you first clarify where this SMTP server comes from as you
> conveniently
> > ignored this point?
>
> I already wrote: "the SMTP server of your mail provider".
>
And how do the 1.5 billion Gmail users use SM
Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> Can you first clarify where this SMTP server comes from as you conveniently
> ignored this point?
I already wrote: "the SMTP server of your mail provider".
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, 13:23 Nicolas George, wrote:
> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> > Thank you for confirming you need to setup a mail server to use git
> > send-email.
>
> Can you clarify: is your problem that you do not know the difference
> between a client and a server, or is is more broadly
Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> Thank you for confirming you need to setup a mail server to use git
> send-email.
Can you clarify: is your problem that you do not know the difference
between a client and a server, or is is more broadly that you cannot
read sentences more than a few words long?
--
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, 13:11 Nicolas George, wrote:
> Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> > It is practically impossible to use git send-email without running your
> own
> > mail server and having all the problems that entails (managing spam,
> making
> > sure you are not blacklisted etc).
>
> You can s
Soft Works (12021-08-12):
> Assuming that developers who submit patches via GitHub would be less
> skilled than those who work with a mailing list is arrogant and
> far away from reality.
Fortunately, that is not what I wrote. You could just have read my
arguments more carefully instead of subjec
Soft Works (12021-08-12):
> I'm using a git client that can also submit PRs to GitHub and that
> has always been fine and sufficient for hundreds of projects I've been
> working on or contributed to.
If your client can send PR to GitHub and not send e-mail, it is just
ridiculous.
Regards,
--
Kieran Kunhya (12021-08-12):
> It is practically impossible to use git send-email without running your own
> mail server and having all the problems that entails (managing spam, making
> sure you are not blacklisted etc).
You can set up a mail server configured to only accept outgoing e-mail
and r
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Kieran Kunhya
> Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2021 12:19
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> wi
On 2021-08-12 03:48 pm, Kieran Kunhya wrote:
# Thanks for your proposal. Your input will not be considered because it
# contains obvious and easily avoided flaws:
# [x] not following mailing-list rules;
# [x] not following coding style conventions;
# [ ] mangled or misformatted patch;
# [ ] p
>
>
> # Thanks for your proposal. Your input will not be considered because it
> # contains obvious and easily avoided flaws:
> # [x] not following mailing-list rules;
> # [x] not following coding style conventions;
> # [ ] mangled or misformatted patch;
> # [ ] problems of code hygiene;
> # [x] ba
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> Nicolas George
> Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2021 10:51
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> with GitHu
Paul Buxton (12021-08-12):
> From the point of view of someone who is currently developing a filter for
> ffmpeg and will be submitting a patch to the list for the first time, I
> think this is a great idea.Whilst following simple instructions to prepare
> and submit a patch should't be outside the
and patches >> de...@ffmpeg.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
> >> with GitHub
> >>
> >> August 10, 2021 10:37 AM, "Soft Works" wrote:
> >
> > [..]
> >
> >> Just recent
eg.org>
>> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Integration
>> with GitHub
>>
>> August 10, 2021 10:37 AM, "Soft Works" wrote:
>
> [..]
>
>> Just recently, I discovered a very interesting project:
>> https://gitgitgadget.gi
August 10, 2021 10:37 AM, "Soft Works" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A while ago there was a discussion about moving forward and
> migrating the ffmpeg development process from the mailing list to
> another platform (like GitLab).
> That discussion had died without further results and an important
> takea
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of
> ffmpegandmahanstreamer@e.email
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 August 2021 15:01
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Suggestion for a Nicer Inte
Hi,
A while ago there was a discussion about moving forward and
migrating the ffmpeg development process from the mailing list to
another platform (like GitLab).
That discussion had died without further results and an important
takeaway for me was that there are just too many that love this way
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