Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 10:36:40 PM UTC-6, Beixiao Robert Liu wrote: > > Well, if the inquiry here concerns consciousness, then the question of > whether a human should trust the AI, or whether the AI has the capacity to > be trusted by a human, ought to be part of the inquiry, right? T

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 5:23 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> *The subject could have been a black box, and still showing signs of > what we can't really define; consciousness. *I think Ex Machina provides > an answer of what we need to look for.* Ex Machina is indeed a great film, I liked it so much

Re: Have experimenters just demonstrated multiple realities?

You are holding onto a standard idea of realism. The problem is this means we have no way of putting our finger on what is meant by realism. Taking it further, realism only holds when we make observations that abandon locality. Experimental errors in measuring violation of Bell inequalities, in

Re: Have experimenters just demonstrated multiple realities?

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 6:27 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > *Why not adopt ultra-determinism. Since Everettians insist on strictly > determinist evolution* > Superdeterminism postulates two things, determinism and one specific initial condition

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

I like that movie (which I have seen). I think synthetic biological components are significantly involved, which makes the difference in making Ava conscious.. @philipthrift On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 4:23:52 PM UTC-5 agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > If you haven't viewed it, please do so.

Functional Differential Geometry

Found out this book is* free* in pdf format. https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/functional-differential-geometry Summary *An explanation of the mathematics needed as a foundation for a deep understanding of general relativity or quantum field theory.* Physics is naturally expressed in mathematic

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

In Buddhism teachings, a human has eight cognitions. The first five are related to our physical world: sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch. Then there are three related to our spiritual world. The sixth cognition is our thinking and emotions. This is where our repository of knowledge is locat

Re: Have experimenters just demonstrated multiple realities?

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 8:33 AM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > You are holding onto a standard idea of realism. The problem is this > means we have no way of putting our finger on what is meant by realism. Everett says everything allowed by Schrodinger's wave equat

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 9:24 AM Beixiao Robert Liu wrote: > *according to Buddhism teachings, AI may venture into the realm of the > mental consciousness, but will never be able to reach the seventh and > eighth cognition. And that seventh and eight cognition is what > distinguishes a life being

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

Let me just clarify that I’m not in any way preaching the Buddhism teaching, but was merely introducing another perspective of looking at the consciousness. Buddhism has its own theory and is a closed-loop system. If you accept its premises and basic methodology, then everything else falls into

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 9:55 AM Beixiao Robert Liu wrote: *> Therefore, if you reject the premise of Buddhism and then all its > theories* [...] > I'm not rejecting anything I'm just asking a question, if it's not by observing intelligent behavior then how does Buddha figure out if one of his fe

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

First of all, Buddha recognizes that ALL human beings have the capacity of those eight cognitions. Then to tell whether a particular human being is using any of these eight cognitions, Buddha certainly observes his behavior. But here, Buddha’s observation is also not limited to the first five

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 4:37:13 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 5:23 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > *> *The subject could have been a black box, and still showing signs of >> what we can't really define; consciousness. *I think Ex Machina provides >> an answer of wh

Re: Have experimenters just demonstrated multiple realities?

On 8/16/2020 5:52 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 6:27 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > /Why not adopt ultra-determinism.  Since Everettians insist on strictly determinist evolution/ Superdeterminism postulates t

Re: Functional Differential Geometry

Thanks for pointing to that.  I've done a little of that kind of programming, and I appreciate how it improves understanding. Brent Was sich iiberhaupt sagen lasst lasst sich Mar sagen und es lasst sich programmeirten sein.    --- I. J. Good, with apologies to Wittgenstein On 8/16/2020 6:06 AM,

Re: Have experimenters just demonstrated multiple realities?

The results of this experiment illustrate how the violation of Bell inequalities can lead to contrary reports by two observers on the nature of a system. Remember, even back in the 60s Bell concluded that locality and realism are not compatible. The usual approach is to perform experiments with

Re: Have experimenters just demonstrated multiple realities?

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 5:43 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > >> Superdeterminism postulates two things, determinism and one specific >> initial condition; the problem I have with it is not the determinism part >> it's the initial condition. Alth