Re: [EVDL] leaf heater switch

2022-05-29 Thread Paul Compton via EV
On Fri, 20 May 2022 at 19:50, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Here's one of the reasons Tesla is better: lower drag coefficient. Why does > that matter? You seem to be under the impression that a lower Cd equals lower drag. You might want to go and look up the meaning of the word coefficient. --

Re: [EVDL] new topics (Why people dislike Tesla)

2022-05-29 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I don’t know that you will find a BEV van with that range for awhile. Commercial use and demand (like package delivery) will be needed first. For that kind of range, DHL in Europe has said that above 150 km (miles?) it makes no sense, as the space needed takes away too much from payload space. T

Re: [EVDL] new topics (Why people dislike Tesla)

2022-05-29 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Sun May 29 00:16:04 PDT 2022 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >Commercial use and demand (like package delivery) will be needed first. For >that kind of range, DHL in Europe has said that above 150 km (miles?) it makes >no sense, as the space needed takes away too much from payload space. They?ve >sai

Re: [EVDL] leaf heater switch

2022-05-29 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I know very well what it means. And, for a given frontal area, a lower Cd means less drag. In Tesla's case, I think they are trying to maximize cabin space without having a larger battery, and the Cd has a significant effect on overall drag. Other manufacturers seem to be more interested in th

Re: [EVDL] new topics (Why people dislike Tesla)

2022-05-29 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Agreed. That's the trend (mid range delivery vans) and it certainly makes sense in the commercial environment. I think we'll see some long range minivans in a few years but they will be oriented towards hauling lots of people, with expensive infotainment systems and creature comforts, not for h

Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla

2022-05-29 Thread Michael A. Radtke via EV
Paul, Sorry for the reply on list, but my private email to you bounced. - Paul, My I-MiEV still has about a 60 mile range. I have been very pleased with it because of its utility and the fact that it doesn't phone home. I even installed cruise in it. I use the car nearly every day and de

Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla

2022-05-29 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 29 May 2022 at 11:54, Michael A. Radtke via EV wrote: > I use the [Imiev] nearly every day and depend on it. I also realize that > it is approaching end of life and there is nothing on the market that, > in my opinion, does the job that I need it to do. Not to break in on a semi-private con

Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla

2022-05-29 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla

2022-05-29 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla

2022-05-29 Thread Michael A. Radtke via EV
David, >Not to break in on a semi-private conversation here, but I wonder what >end- of-life looks like for an EV. Well, for my Jet ElecraVan, end of life is lead acid is obsolete and while there were only a few produced, it is not considered a classic. (Yet, I'm tinkering with moving to lithium.

Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla

2022-05-29 Thread Bill Dennis via EV
There's an article in slate.com today about some of the reasons why people dislike Tesla, and Musk. https://slate.com/technology/2022/05/elon-musk-tesla-twitter-fables.html Bill ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC