Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
> From: George Tyler > > I used to design electronics for > military, (submarines) you can make MTBF say whatever you want! Yea, so true. The Navy got so frustrated that they abandoned static analysis for real-time testing. I worked on linear beam forming for subs. We used card-edge scan test

Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread robert winfield via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Large vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread Willie via EV
On 09/09/2018 08:04 PM, mark hanson via EV wrote: Hi Willie etc, It's hard to find actual published Tesla battery failure numbers since Tesla sends internal field service guys "Tesla Rangers" out to your house to replace any bad cells that the car radios help for. When I was at a EV race

[EVDL] Large vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread mark hanson via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread ROBERT via EV
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Re: [EVDL] What to do with used LiOn CALB batteries?

2018-09-09 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread George Tyler via EV
From a Electrical engineering perspective, the mean time between failures of 6800 cells is terrible but you can lose a lot and still have a functioning car, so I recon he is probably right, but it depends of the MTBF of the 2 types of cells too. I used to design electronics for military, (subma

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2018-09-09 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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2018-09-09 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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2018-09-09 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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2018-09-09 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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Re: [EVDL] What to do with used LiOn CALB batteries?

2018-09-09 Thread Barry Oppenheim via EV
cells (they have not been charged for at least two years) > The cells were put into service in 2011 and have ~3 miles on them. I > estimate ~500-600 partial charge/discharge cycles. > www.justanotherevconversion.blogspot.com > > Thanks, > > Barry > ------

Re: [EVDL] What to do with used LiOn CALB batteries?

2018-09-09 Thread Ing. Marco Gaxiola via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread Bobby Keeland via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread Michael Ross via EV
on any single battery failure is then only 3% of > > the > > impact of a cell problem on a car with larger format cells. > > > > > > > > I'd take the multiple redundancy of the Tesla any day. > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > >

Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Oh yea, his premise is wrong as well. A large format cell is made up of many smaller cells in parallel. I opened a 100 Ah cell and it had 10 - 10Ah cells paralleled inside with no fuse between them: so if you loose one you loose them all. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 9, 2018, at 6:24 AM, Willie

Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
> From: Jukka J?rvinen > > The main question is when will the problems be there? After 200.000 or > 500.000 miles?... we have just now > mastered the solid state electrolyte and synthetic Graphene production. I > see now 500Wh/kg, >15 year lifetime I see someone arguing both sides of a fallacio

Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread paul dove via EV
I know Tesla had problems with there gear box early on but I have heard of no battery issues. And since when is a bolt a lot less than a Tesla? My Tesla was 41000 that’s right in there with a bolt aren’t they ~37000? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:38 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

[EVDL] What to do with used LiOn CALB batteries?

2018-09-09 Thread Barry Oppenheim via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread Willie via EV
On 09/08/2018 09:38 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Well, does anyone have actual numbers regarding failures of Teslas? Overall, they've been out long enough that "we" should know if there are reliability problems or not. On my part, I have not heard of any widespread Tesla failure. What reli

Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Large Format Cells vs. Small Format Cells for EVs

2018-09-09 Thread Jukka Järvinen via EV
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