check logs, maybe memory use is killing the executables and save locations
>
>
> I have scripts in 2 places:
> sieve_script personal {
> path = ~/.dovecot.sieve
> }
>
>
> sieve_script before {
> path = /etc/dovecot/sieve
> }
>
>
> /etc/dovecot/sieve is directory with (current
Did I configure this? Or is this default behaviour of dovecot? How can I turn
this off if this is a standard config?
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> > I thought this was more related to some sort of corruption on the
> > file system. Also the doveadm does not seem to be able to fix it. I
> > never created this 'foldertest17485243507278' so I guessed it is
> > maybe something dovecot found. Some stray mailbox it
> > detected. Nobody every s
dovecot-2.3.16-15.el9.x86_64
> I thought this was more related to some sort of corruption on the file
> system. Also the doveadm does not seem to be able to fix it. I never
> created this 'foldertest17485243507278' so I guessed it is maybe
> something dovecot found. Some stray mailbox it detected.
I thought this was more related to some sort of corruption on the file system.
Also the doveadm does not seem to be able to fix it. I never created this
'foldertest17485243507278' so I guessed it is maybe something dovecot found.
Some stray mailbox it detected. Nobody every seen these automatica
doveadm force-resync -u $account INBOX
doveadm(): Warning: fscking index file /.../index/storage/dovecot.map.index
doveadm(): Warning: mdbox /.../mdbox/storage: rebuilding indexes
doveadm(): Error: Couldn't open mailbox 'foldertest1751045732429': Mailbox
doesn't exist: foldertest1751045732429
https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-GB/thunderbird/addon/lookout-fix-version/
>
> If I drag files in imap folders in outlook they will show up in eg
> roundcube/thunderbird as winmail.dat. So I guess this is just a
> microsoft thing. Would be nice if there were plugins that would add
> functionalit
If I drag files in imap folders in outlook they will show up in eg
roundcube/thunderbird as winmail.dat. So I guess this is just a microsoft
thing. Would be nice if there were plugins that would add functionality that
unwrapped these winmail.dat files.
>
> > If i Understood correctly you ar
With exchange and outlook I was always used to sometimes drag files into mail
folders. Is something like this available for imap? Or maybe a dovecot
extension?
(obviously I am not looking for a solution to store them as attachments to
mails)
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run cron job with purge?
>
> I have the following in 15-mailboxes.config:
>
> mailbox Trash {
> special_use = \Trash
> autoexpunge = 30 days
> }
>
> I thought that would empty the deleted emails after 30 days. However, I
> find that in .Deleted Messages/cur there are over 18K messag
>
> it's definitely not postgres (and "one core" problem for postgres
> related
> with one heavy connect or data modifying, not for "select from")
>
> I see only one process that uses CPU100% with a high amount of logins
> and
> it's auth. And I see only one 100% loaded core on the server.
>
>
How did you do the test?
>
> I set up a test server and started testing it by multiple threads (1-
> 200),
> using all the advice given to me.
> 1 I disabled the postlogin script
> 2 raised maxconns to 200
> 3 set service_count = 400, process_min_avail = 100
> 4 increase auth_cache
> 5 increase
I was think of adding a mailinglist for a few users. First I thought about
maybe using separate container for this, but maybe I can just also add this to
the server running dovecot.
Anyone having experience with running mailman or something else next to dovecot?
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>
> > Therefore, Dovecot's plain text default, and the md5 option, are both
> non-GDPR compliant.
> >
> > To avoid monetary sanctions, Dovecot ought to change how it stores
> passwords by default.
> >
> > Please do not ignore this message.
>
> GDPR is some piece of bull*it regulation made by th
Your argument is "that a default install is not compliant" and therefore you
ask people to change things. I am proving your argument is incorrect, so the
basis of your change request is gone.
> > A default dovecot (el9 rpm) install is compliant as it does not work
> and does not do anything, i
>
> This is not the point, however.
>
> The point is that the default is not GDPR compliant, and a first easy
> alternative is also not GDPR compliant, and decoupling the user scheme
> from the server storage scheme is not at all obvious. Adopting a GDPR-
> compliant default would send out the in
>
> Dovecot aligns the password encryption scheme used by the imap client
> with the password storage scheme used by the server.
>
> Since the default is set to plain text, the client sends the password in
> plain text (tls tunneled), and the server local storage of passwords is
> a plain text fi
>
>
> Probably not as you only restarted. The limit is when you have create a
> new
> > connection and don't use an existing one.
>
> I don't see a way to reuse an existing connection yet if the number of
> persistent connections after a restart should increase from 0 to 40K
> I miss something o
>
> Do you mean that the contents of this file are not cached? or that there
> is
> some limit on the number of simultaneous requests to read it?
> content of this file not look too heavy
>
> > psql -c "UPDATE core_user SET last_login=now() WHERE username='$USER'"
> >
> > /dev/null
I would put a
> >
> > Long ago in MagicMail we recognized that there was a problem with
> > Postgres direct back addressing a large number of AUTH attempts at
> once,
> > and we went down the road to using a high performace DBFILE
> mechanisms,
> > with real time updates from the Postgres database.. allowed us t
> No, we don't have the noticeable iowait problem as I see it(at least
> until
> the number of connections lower 20-30K). The problem appears when
> thousands
> of clients try to reconnect at the same time and according to the
> documentation the auth service should make a simple request to postgre
> Current performance is about 3000 successful authentications per hour.
> No
I don't really get this authentication attempts is limitted by tcp not? So it
does not really matter what you have mariadb, ldap, http, you awalys are
limited to 150-200 r/s. Once you have a connection, you can go easi
> # Project
>
> https://github.com/croessner/nauthilus
>
> # Sub projects
>
> https://github.com/croessner/nauthilus-demo
> https://github.com/croessner/nauthilus-keycloak
> https://github.com/croessner/pfxhttp
> https://github.com/croessner/geoip-policyd
>
First when I read this, how is this
Kein Problem! ;)
> >
> > Meine Frage in die Runde: Wie wollt Ihr die Replikation ersetzen?
> > Irgendwas mit NFS oder gibt es da eine empfohlene Herangehensweise?
> >
ceph ?
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> >
> > Currently, Dovecot 2.3.21.1 compiles and runs fine on a Red Hat Linux
> > clone with GCC 8.3.1. Now tried the brandnew sources of Dovecot 2.4.0,
> > but to my surprise it doesn't even compile and I have no clue where
> > to begin my debugging.
>
Building from this src rpm does not work
>
> Currently, Dovecot 2.3.21.1 compiles and runs fine on a Red Hat Linux
> clone with GCC 8.3.1. Now tried the brandnew sources of Dovecot 2.4.0,
> but to my surprise it doesn't even compile and I have no clue where
> to begin my debugging.
Building from this src rpm does not work
https://repo.d
>
> It is - that's just "belt and braces" stuff (also known as "defence in
> depth" :-) )
It is good to limit to just your own ca. I do this with the ldap. Was just not
expecting it from someone having users stored in mariadb and having virtual
users and then worrying about CA's credibility. If
>
> I'm using a MariaDB backend to a Dovecot server, with TLS required by
> the MariaDB server for connections.
>
> My sql_dovecot.conf.ext file is using the following connection line:
> `connect = host=mariadb.example.com dbname=mail_server user=vmail
> password={REDACTED} ssl_ca=/etc/pki/tls/ce
ypt files as needed while copying
> them to the directories for the dovecot certificates.
>
>
> Am 23. Januar 2025 um 09:34 schrieb "Marc via dovecot"
> mailto:dovecot@dovecot.org?to=%22Marc%20via%20dovecot%22%20%3Cdovecot%40
> dovecot.org%3E >:
>
>
&g
as root, you get blocked.
> -Original Message-
> From: Benny Pedersen via dovecot
> Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2025 09:27
> To: dovecot@dovecot.org
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: [OFFLIST] Re: connection refused, no error
> anywhere
>
> Marc via dovecot sk
hey run as root, you get blocked.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Benny Pedersen via dovecot
> > Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2025 09:27
> > To: dovecot@dovecot.org
> > Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: [OFFLIST] Re: connection refused, no error
> > anywhere
&
>
> dovecot starts as root, and drops priveleges later, so group it non
> rooted is a security problem on its own :)
>
> certbot creates letencrypt pem files owned by root and grouped root,
> only the private key cant be readed by other users then root
>
wtf letsencrypt still requires root?? Wh
> guess this is because the same certificates were used by the website,
> which
> I also have to rebuild next week. So I will have to add dovecot and the
> httpd user to that group, I think. No?
>
No the other way around. Add dovecot to the acme group, the certs are the least
important.
You are sure dovecot is running on the ports (netstat -tanp). You are sure this
firewall is ok? Maybe flush it, just to be sure.
> Greetings,
>
> I was just tasked with rebuilding from scratch the mail server of an
> NGO,
> on a brand new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS VPS.
>
> I have copied the whole doveco
> >
> >> How should I use 'doveadm search -u' to get the mailbox path where
> the
> >> message is stored?
> > https://doc.dovecot.org/main/core/man/doveadm-search.1.html states:
> >
> >doveadm-search(1) - Show a list of mailbox GUIDs and message UIDs
> >matching given search query.
> >
> >
>
> Well, I uncommented the imap_capabilities flag and REMOVED the IDLE
> capability and now iOS 18 Mail client is getting and syncing emails. I
> suspect the folks over at Stalwart were on to something I just
> don't know why command pipelining had to be added by Apple for the
> important ID
How should I use 'doveadm search -u' to get the mailbox path where the message
is stored?
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> >>>
> >> What is the best way to get rid of this message? I think clients
> start
> > generating after ssl crt update.
> >
> > This usually means you forgot to use fullchain cert. This is
> coming
> from
> > clients telling you they don't like your certificate.
> >>>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the best way to get rid of this message? I think clients
> > > start
> > > > generating after ssl crt update.
> > > >
> > > > This usually means you forgot to use fullchain cert. This is coming
> > > from
> > > > clients telling you they don't like your cer
>
> > >
> > > What is the best way to get rid of this message? I think clients
> start
> > generating after ssl crt update.
> >
> > This usually means you forgot to use fullchain cert. This is coming
> from
> > clients telling you they don't like your certificate.
> >
>
> openssl s_client -conn
> >
> > What is the best way to get rid of this message? I think clients start
> generating after ssl crt update.
>
> This usually means you forgot to use fullchain cert. This is coming from
> clients telling you they don't like your certificate.
>
openssl s_client -connect x:143 -startt
What is the best way to get rid of this message? I think clients start
generating after ssl crt update.
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> So yes, it must be a client issue, but it only seems to appear on
> dovecot imap servers.
> I've tested this on my private setup at home with Dovecot 2.3.19.1 from
> Debian 12 repository as well as at the company where we use Dovecot-ee
> 2.3.21-8 from the Open-xchange repository where the sam
>
> This is clearly a problem with the mail client on iPhone. However, is
> there anything I can adjust in my server settings to mitigate this issue
> for users?
>
Make sure to complain a lot at apple. I already harassed the market abuse team
at the EU.
_
> > My desire is to get system generated mail (currently delivered to the
> file /var/spool/mail/root) to be picked up from another machine by user
> peter
So that means you should deliver/redirect this email to peter (or you need to
start messing with shared/public mailboxes)
>
> Is there any
> I'm trying to follow the instruction
> https://doc.dovecot.org/2.3/configuration_manual/howto/antispam_with_sie
> ve/ to setup IMAPSieve
>
> I cannot find any info on what sieve_pipe_bin_dir should point to. Any
> references I have found to this point to the old wiki.
>
> My current spam learni
I can remember looking at rspamd years ago. To me it looks like a choas of
applied rules. I can remember asking these devs some questions about rule
processing order, and they could not even answer them.
Do they still make own graphs? That already tells you their whole approach is
old-fashione
>
> >> I more or less said that, you are a mail administrator yes? then
> you know bloody damn well that 99% of spam checks are carried out
> after reception of the mail
>
> depends what you define by reception. We perform spam checks on the
> DATA portion of the mail reception and can refuse a
> > Incorrect Sent means the receiving server has correctly received the
> > transmitted message. It has nothing to do with spam or not spam.
> >
> >
> I more or less said that, you are a mail administrator yes? then you
> know
> bloody damn well that 99% of spam checks are carried out after recept
>
> >
> > >
> > > Try sending a spam message that Gmail sends you, back to them and
> see
> > > what happens.
> > >
> >
> > It is even worse, they just accept emails with stat=Sent and then
> delete
> > emails without notifications. I am currently trying to get the EU to
> take
> > such behaviour
> In all fairness here, Gmail/Outlook play by their own rules and people
> just accept them because it's free.
>
> Try sending a spam message that Gmail sends you, back to them and see
> what happens.
>
It is even worse, they just accept emails with stat=Sent and then delete emails
without noti
> > >
> >
> > Your system reporting false positives, that is what I am trying to
> tell
> > you!
> >
> >
> Maybe that is in your opinion because you can not send him direct mail?
> Why
No, it is not an opinion it is a fact. That is the huge difference here. There
is some sort of logic in my reaso
>
> > But now you are like ms/google/letsencrypt. We decide how you should
> > setup your servers, we decide how you setup your dns, we decide you
> are
> > not allowed to block the amazon cloud etc.
>
> WTF drugs are you on, my organisation my rules.
>
What education did you acquire? With your
> >
> > Your provider is using this to estimate if a party is spam and block
> > your email. I prefer a system where you actually block someone for
> > having send spam. Since I am not sending newsletters or so and this
> > infrastructure I use is low volume, nothing outgoing is detected as
> > spa
>
> > ps. I think these guys have had their best times
> https://zonecheck.org/
> > not really up to date info
>
> ?
>
Your provider is using this to estimate if a party is spam and block your
email. I prefer a system where you actually block someone for having send spam.
Since I am not sendi
> >
> >> Sorry for being off topic, but why are you deciding to move to
> >> dovecot? I have the impression the trend is that everyone is moving
> to
> >> google/outlook?
> >
> > In June 2023, we ran a poll, below is results of primary use of email,
> > the requirement was imap/pop3 be an ISP or pr
>
> > Microsft outlook and Google Gmail hosts most spammers on the Planet
> > Earth.
>
> Nah, the worst offenders are OVH and Contabo, followed by digital sewer,
> then gmail :)
>
If you make spf -all for gmail that helps a lot. However there are still quite
a few 'my family member is so good
>
> Not everyone. The EU is pushing hard for data to stay local. MS/Google
> will do what they know best: offer 0 support even to paying customers
> and jack up the prices once the competition dries up.
>
You have already MS / Google data centres in the EU. And Apple is using
European registere
>
> Nick Howitt via dovecot skrev den 2024-11-18 13:00:
> > For me, I don't want big tech monitoring my emails.
>
> security starts with smime imho
Yes true, and it is more likely such things will be offered first by the bigger
cloud providers
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nment that is quite appealing
to users.
>
> For me, I don't want big tech monitoring my emails.
>
>
> On 18/11/2024 11:52, Marc via dovecot wrote:
> > Sorry for being off topic, but why are you deciding to move to
> dovecot? I have the impression the trend is that
Sorry for being off topic, but why are you deciding to move to dovecot? I have
the impression the trend is that everyone is moving to google/outlook?
>
> I try to migrate a GMail mailbox to Dovecot using `doveadm backup -R
> imapc:`. Since it seems that GMail disabled the login without XOAUTH2,
I am testing a bit with sso with keycloak, I was wondering if/how it is
possible that your logged in session between eg Thunderbird and dovecot can be
used as a single sign on in webapplications. So as long as you have an active
session with dovecot you can access all your web applications witho
I worked around this bug, having to append the url
otocol/openid-connect/token/?token=eyJhbGciOiJSUzI1NiIsInR5c
But having this
Got 405 response for request [Req1: GET https:/
Method Not Allowed (took 16 ms + 41 ms in queue)
Change to POST?
> I am getting first
>
> Using 1 idle connections to
I am getting first
Using 1 idle connections to handle 1 requests (1 total connections ready)
Claimed request [Req2: GET https:
No more requests to service for this peer (1 connections exist, 0 pending)
and then the 404
Got 404 response for request [Req2: GET https:/
This should work with 2.3.16
> Does anyone have a current config example using openid and with
> roundcube. I like to add this next to 'regular' logins'. I was able to
> login once but know I am getting these in the logs
>
> " No requests to service for this peer (1 connections exist, 0 pending)"
>
>
> I have added the 2 pa
Does anyone have a current config example using openid and with roundcube. I
like to add this next to 'regular' logins'. I was able to login once but know I
am getting these in the logs
" No requests to service for this peer (1 connections exist, 0 pending)"
I have added the 2 passdb with link
> First of all, I'm not a dovecot user yet.
> For several years now I use cyrus imapd and never saw the urge to
> switch, until I recently lost random mails from my mailbox which were
> neither temporally connected nor related in some other way.
>
What do you mean lost? And how do you know it is
> - NOT expunging the emails that have been marked as deleted on the slave
> server or expunging only manually
Yes I think it is depending on your storage format (mdbox only?). I am running
"doveadm purge -u" every two months. If I would make a new server I would also
use the LAYOUT=index this
> I am new to dovecot and have just done my first install, but, looking at
> your output, you are using Local Delivery rather than LMTP? If so, isn't
> the local delivery MTA (postfix, exim or whatever) responsible for
> dropping the mail into the correct location?
postfix does not know some mail
>
> Mail already in the queue will need to be reprocessed with
> postsuper -r ALL
>
> Or just delete it and test again.
>
his problem is low uid number
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> I am pretty new to Dovecot and totally new to LMTP. I have normal
> delivery working but I am struggling with aliases. In my mail queue I am
> seeing things like:
>
> But in my /etc/aliases, I am aliasing clamav to nick and
> n...@mydomain.com is a valid mail box that can receive normal mail.
Is it possible to disable emitting the sieve header?
X-Sieve: Pigeonhole Sieve
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I don't have an ALT specified in the mail location of the shared namespace.
Also when I add there ALT= I keep getting these checks. Also creating empty
file there creates this error.
Error: t_readlink(//mdbox/dbox-alt-root) failed: readlink()
I don't really like the idea of creating a s
I am getting this error. This file does not exist.
Error: t_readlink(/xx/dbox-alt-root) failed: readlink() failed: Permission
denied
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I am adding a namespace with LAYOUT=index to an existing configuration, and get
this notification:
LAYOUT=index requires mailbox_list_index=yes
Maybe better to just not risk it and add LAYOUT=fs to my existing
mail_location=mdbox: lines?
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Hi Christian, nice you got this. I could have given you this also, but I have
this weird tree in the mail client, so I thought better not share it. I prefer
to see only 1 'Archive'
>
> I found the Solution myself. The key was to simply create an unnamed
> mailbox directive so that the namesp
>
> > I think a good work around would be using LAYOUT=INDEX then you get
> > folder names like this and you 'probably' do not have such conflicts.
> > I think this layout is also better for when people start using
> > 'weird' characters or long names. Bad thing is, you need to convert
> > everyth
>
> Example: Customer has a Folder named: ARCHIV.AdministrationXXX
>
> Folder file exists and permissions look right:
> ./ARCHIV/AdministrationXXX
>
> d delete ARCHIV.AdministrationXXX
> d OK Delete completed (0.001 + 0.000 secs).
>
> Folder file is still present and can not be deleted again.
>
How is it possible that you have problems compiling a srpm? You must have
changed something. What is even this el6? ;) If you want run dovecot on older
el6 maybe try via docker?
> I encountered the following issue while compiling Dovecot on a Linux
> system with the Shenwei architecture in Chin
I have made some temporary fix with a cron job that checks this every 5 min and
auto subscribes mailboxes when a user is added to the acl. But I am still
looking for something better.
>
>
> I was wondering if it is possible to execute some trigger after a mailbox
> is being shared so the u
It was related to some memory allocation in go. When I increased the memory in
lmtp. This problem was solved. Others started to notice this after some
specific version update of go.
>
>
> Op 19-9-2024 om 22:46 schreef Marc via dovecot:
> > I am trying to modify the body of
I don't think you can use outlook mobile clients any more with own solutions. I
was trying this a few years ago and noticed all kinds of weird things not
working. I think it even sends your user+password to the microsoft cloud and
the ms cloud is handling your mail on the background.
Can't reall
I was wondering if it is possible to execute some trigger after a mailbox is
being shared so the user is automatically subscribed to it?
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also bug/no acl support in accessing index
dovecot[28746]: imap(usertest6)<29630>: Error:
fchown(/shared/usertest/index/mailboxes.lockcfcdcd07648b68e0,
group=10001(usertest)) failed: Operation not permitted (egid=10006, group based
on /shared/usertest/mdbox - see http://wiki2.dovecot.or
I am not sure if this page is correct, looks at least like this g+s not ok
https://doc.dovecot.org/2.3/admin_manual/filesystem_permission/
work-around is to manually create dirs mdbox mdbox/storage mdbox/mailboxes. I
would think this is a bug as files seem to be created correctly.
group rights a
I am testing with sharing folders and constantly changing namespaces configs.
But quite regulary I am seeing these mailboxes popup
foldertest17270834637853 with sub mailbox foldertest
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>
> On 23-09-2024 10:30, Marc via dovecot wrote:
> > this seems to show
> > doveadm mailbox list -u usertest6
> >
> > Trash
> > Sent
> > NotSpam
> > Drafts
> > Junk
> > Shared
> > UserShares
> > UserShares/usert
this seems to show
doveadm mailbox list -u usertest6
Trash
Sent
NotSpam
Drafts
Junk
Shared
UserShares
UserShares/usertest
UserShares/usertest/sharedtest3
UserShares/usertest/sharedtest1
UserShares/usertest/sharedtest2
INBOX
But thunderbird / roundcube show nothing. Any idea's why?
_
>
> It doesn't look as if IMAP is supported ?
> ___
Maybe try again later after a good night rest?
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> I am creating the mailbox like this:
>
> doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest
> shared/sharedtest1
>
> I can set acl's (I think), at least the acl get produces the same.
>
> doveadm acl set -u usertest shared/sharedtest1 user=usertest6 lookup read
> write write-seen ins
I am creating the mailbox like this:
doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest shared/sharedtest1
I can set acl's (I think), at least the acl get produces the same.
doveadm acl set -u usertest shared/sharedtest1 user=usertest6 lookup read write
write-seen insert post
doveadm a
doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest public/publictest1
public/mdbox/mailboxes) failed: Operation not permitted
[@public]# getfacl mdbox/
# file: mdbox/
# owner: root
# group: root
user::rwx
group::rwx
group:testgroup2:rwx
group:testgroup3:rwx
mask::rwx
other::---
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> I have some issues testing public mailboxes with linux users and groups
>
> creating mailboxes for users for the first group is not really a problem:
>
> doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest
> public/publictest1
> doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest
I have some issues testing public mailboxes with linux users and groups
creating mailboxes for users for the first group is not really a problem:
doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest public/publictest1
doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest6 public/publicte
I am cleaning a bit my sieve scripts and wondered if I should stick to this
solution
sieve_before =
sieve_before2 =
sieve_before3 =
or just one
sieve_before =
and put all scripts in this one. What are the advantages / disadvantages of
doing this?
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I am trying to modify the body of message with a global sieve script. It looks
like that sieve-test does not generate this error, however I am not really able
to verify the output. There does not seem to be an option to catch the output
(new message)
trace log
0008:3: finishing match
sieve-test(1164123): Fatal: Couldn't drop privileges: User is missing UID (see
mail_uid setting)
I don't get what this is about. Users are not missing an UID and how is it
related with testing sieve scripts?
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> What could this be, I am not even having an exit code 2 in my sieve
> plugin. If I cat a message via cli I am getting exit code 0.
>
> ps where are stderr messages logged of the plugin?
>
script is ok
Debug: sieve: Finished running script (status=ok, resource usage: no usage
recorded)
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What could this be, I am not even having an exit code 2 in my sieve plugin. If
I cat a message via cli I am getting exit code 0.
ps where are stderr messages logged of the plugin?
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