Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] BoF: New DNS Delegation, was DELEG Capabilities BoF

2024-02-01 Thread Paul Hoffman
(Answering as the person who is currently supposed to run the BoF) On Feb 1, 2024, at 15:03, Paul Vixie wrote: > Thanks Roy. Would a new working group be open to skeptics? You have been in the IETF long enough to know that the answer is of course yes. > I remain concerned about gradually incre

Re: [DNSOP] BoF: New DNS Delegation, was DELEG Capabilities BoF

2024-02-01 Thread Paul Vixie
Thanks Roy. Would a new working group be open to skeptics? I remain concerned about gradually increasing systemic complexity, and I have some ideas about how some stated goals of the DELEG proposal could have complexity increase precisely linear to new functionality -- so, extending beyond but

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] AD Review of draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8109bis

2024-02-01 Thread Mark Andrews
There is nothing to prevent us saying that responses to priming queries SHOULD/MUST set TC if all of the addresses of the root servers won’t fit in the response or that the root server address should be looked up as if they are glue in the root zone. The rules in RFC 1034 don’t handle priming qu

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] AD Review of draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8109bis

2024-02-01 Thread Wessels, Duane
> On Jan 31, 2024, at 5:57 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > >> As Mark just clarified. This isn't glue, so perhaps the text just needs >> updating. > > The current text is: > > If some root server addresses are omitted from the Additional section, > there is no expectation that the TC bit in the >

[DNSOP] Extensible from the start - was - Re: [Ext] Re: DNSOPComments on draft-dnsop-deleg-00.txt - section 1

2024-02-01 Thread Dave Lawrence
Edward Lewis writes: > Is there going to be an assumed "standard set" of keywords? Yes. Currently it specifies using the Service Parameter Keys registry: https://www.iana.org/assignments/dns-svcb/dns-svcb.xhtml > (And a defined manner to know how to deal with > unknown-to-the-receiver keywords.

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] AD Review of draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8109bis

2024-02-01 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 8:57 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Jan 31, 2024, at 17:39, Paul Wouters wrote: > > On Wed, 31 Jan 2024, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > On Jan 31, 2024, at 15:15, Paul Wouters wrote: > > Can they write a draft with why they are going against the RFC? > > Yes, that is possible. Ho

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: General comment about downgrades vs. setting expectations in protocol definitions

2024-02-01 Thread Edward Lewis
Automation isn't an solution in an of itself. When I recently mentioned, during a panel discussion, that automation is essential (for scalability), an operator on the same panel responded that automation is also a great way to scale problems. Automation is needed but it must be automated corre

Re: [DNSOP] DELEG and parent only resolution

2024-02-01 Thread Peter Thomassen
On 2/1/24 13:55, Havard Eidnes wrote: Stupid question time: The target of a DELEG alias cannot be stored in the child zone. It would not resolve if you do. Doesn't this mean that we can never get to an environment where there only exists DELEG records and no NS records, and still have a wo

Re: [DNSOP] DELEG and parent only resolution

2024-02-01 Thread Havard Eidnes
>>Stupid question time: >> >>> The target of a DELEG alias cannot be stored in the child >>> zone. It would not resolve if you do. >> >> Doesn't this mean that we can never get to an environment where >> there only exists DELEG records and no NS records, and still have >> a working DNS? > > DELEG r

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: General comment about downgrades vs. setting expectations in protocol definitions

2024-02-01 Thread Peter Thomassen
On 2/1/24 13:34, Edward Lewis wrote: The proper response will depend on the reason - more accurately the presumed (lacking any out-of-band signals) reason - why the record is absent. Barring any other information, the proper response should IMHO not depend on the presumed reason, but assume

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: General comment about downgrades vs. setting expectations in protocol definitions

2024-02-01 Thread Edward Lewis
After thinking about the response below a bit, my question would be - when a receiver expects a record to be present, but it isn’t, what is the proper response? The proper response will depend on the reason - more accurately the presumed (lacking any out-of-band signals) reason - why the record

[DNSOP] BoF: New DNS Delegation, was DELEG Capabilities BoF

2024-02-01 Thread Roy Arends
Dear DNSOP, After the DNSOP Interim, I had a short discussion with Warren Kumari about the vagueness of the request. I have now updated the request to reflect the sentiment of the interim and to make sure that there is the opportunity to form a WG if there is the desire to do so. https://datat

Re: [DNSOP] DELEG and parent only resolution

2024-02-01 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Thu, 01 Feb 2024 10:17:33 +0100 (CET) you wrote: >Stupid question time: > >> The target of a DELEG alias cannot be stored in the child >> zone. It would not resolve if you do. > >Doesn't this mean that we can never get to an environment where >there only exists DELEG records an

Re: [DNSOP] DELEG and parent only resolution

2024-02-01 Thread Havard Eidnes
Stupid question time: > The target of a DELEG alias cannot be stored in the child > zone. It would not resolve if you do. Doesn't this mean that we can never get to an environment where there only exists DELEG records and no NS records, and still have a working DNS? Regards, - Håvard _