Re: [DNSOP] New draft for ALIAS/ANAME type

2017-04-03 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017, Evan Hunt wrote: I said what now? Had I recently had dental surgery? I don't remember this. Sorry about misremembering what you said. (I do believe an authoritative server should be *able* to operate without built-in recursive code But I definitely wouldn't phrase th

Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2017-04-03 Thread Brian Dickson
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:37 PM, George Michaelson wrote: > I think that's a useful mail. So in that sense, I have a question: > Would you say anything to this, were you in edit mode, on a draft > going to LC if that draft didn't say it? > > If you had a draft requesting a TLD to "exist" in some s

Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2017-04-03 Thread George Michaelson
I could take it either way. narrow doc is narrow purpose? don't ref it. doc is highly visible, will be (mis)interpreted as being relevant? disavow it (which implies ref it) doc is highly visible, problem next door? Seek guidance. -G On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Suzanne Woolf wrote: > Hi, >

Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2017-04-03 Thread Suzanne Woolf
Hi, On one specific point: > On Apr 3, 2017, at 9:02 PM, George Michaelson wrote: > > Lastly, I think the IAB note pretty strongly goes to 'we dont do that > any more' and I think the draft at the bare minimum should say why > this draft is special, against that letter. You make a compelling a

Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2017-04-03 Thread George Michaelson
I think that's a useful mail. So in that sense, I have a question: Would you say anything to this, were you in edit mode, on a draft going to LC if that draft didn't say it? If you had a draft requesting a TLD to "exist" in some sense: in or not in a registry; passed or not passed into the DNS; de

Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2017-04-03 Thread Brian Dickson
In response to the latest comments by Paul Hoffman and George Michaelson, I'd like to offer my $0.02 on the meaning and purpose of the alt TLD vs the IAB statement. My read is (whether or not it is correct) that there are three possibilities for a special name. The first is, a special but needs D

Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2017-04-03 Thread George Michaelson
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On 3 Apr 2017, at 18:02, George Michaelson wrote: > >> The only reference to ICANN delegation process is in an [Ed: note] >> which feels to me to be wrong: its a first class issue, and should be >> addressed directly, not as editorial. > > > Th

Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2017-04-03 Thread Paul Hoffman
On 3 Apr 2017, at 18:02, George Michaelson wrote: The only reference to ICANN delegation process is in an [Ed: note] which feels to me to be wrong: its a first class issue, and should be addressed directly, not as editorial. The note says why the ICANN delegation process is *not* used. As the

Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2017-04-03 Thread George Michaelson
The only reference to ICANN delegation process is in an [Ed: note] which feels to me to be wrong: its a first class issue, and should be addressed directly, not as editorial. Secondly, The authors make a judgement call in this block that they feel requesting delegation is not required. I don't fee

Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2017-04-03 Thread Paul Hoffman
On 3 Apr 2017, at 17:27, George Michaelson wrote: isn't this OBE and it's alt.arpa now? No. Serious question btw. I do not think that this document can proceed without significant re-drafting to a 2LD if that is the case. Are you saying that because of: https://www.iab.org/documents/co

Re: [DNSOP] WGLC for draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2017-04-03 Thread George Michaelson
isn't this OBE and it's alt.arpa now? Serious question btw. I do not think that this document can proceed without significant re-drafting to a 2LD if that is the case. G On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 07:20:55PM -0400, > Suzanne Woolf wrot

Re: [DNSOP] New draft for ALIAS/ANAME type

2017-04-03 Thread Evan Hunt
On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 03:48:49PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > As Evan said, there should not be any code in an authoritative server > that requires it to do recursive validation. I said what now? Had I recently had dental surgery? I don't remember this. If you mean the comment I made on the A

Re: [DNSOP] Perl related question on BULK RR

2017-04-03 Thread Woodworth, John R
> -Original Message- > From: Woodworth, John R > > > -Original Message- > > From: DNSOP [mailto:dnsop-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tony Finch > ... > > > > So my question is, how does the BULK rewriting system interact > > with DNS loops? Is there a CPU-eating tarpit in there? > >

Re: [DNSOP] the power of ideas

2017-04-03 Thread Dave Crocker
On 4/3/2017 1:00 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: with or without an applicability statement, the underlying message of an rfc from the dnsop working group is not "we think this is good engineering" but rather "if you want to do this in a way that interoperates with others who are also doing it, here is one

[DNSOP] the power of ideas

2017-04-03 Thread Paul Vixie
On Monday, April 3, 2017 7:48:49 PM GMT Paul Wouters wrote: > ... > As Evan said, there should not be any code in an authoritative server > that requires it to do recursive validation. in the internet dns as practiced, our choice is not whether an idea thought by some to be "bad", as in, "a bad i

Re: [DNSOP] New draft for ALIAS/ANAME type

2017-04-03 Thread Peter van Dijk
Hi Dan, On 3 Apr 2017, at 21:40, Dan York wrote: I very much like the idea of this draft, given that I use multiple DNS hosting providers who all have their own unique (and proprietary) way of doing "CNAME flattening at the apex". I think the reality of today's user experience with domain nam

Re: [DNSOP] New draft for ALIAS/ANAME type

2017-04-03 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017, Dan York wrote: I very much like the idea of this draft, given that I use multiple DNS hosting providers who all have their own unique (and proprietary) way of doing "CNAME flattening at the apex". I think the reality of today's user experience with domain names is that we

Re: [DNSOP] New draft for ALIAS/ANAME type

2017-04-03 Thread Dan York
I very much like the idea of this draft, given that I use multiple DNS hosting providers who all have their own unique (and proprietary) way of doing "CNAME flattening at the apex". I think the reality of today's user experience with domain names is that we are increasingly dropping the "www" or

Re: [DNSOP] New draft for ALIAS/ANAME type

2017-04-03 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >So I think my conclusion is that ALIAS is both unnecessary and unhelpful >for RRtypes other than A and . Depends. If you allow what I described, shadowing records from a server that thinks it's authoritative from the zone but isn't, it's definitely useful for MX, possi

Re: [DNSOP] New draft for ALIAS/ANAME type

2017-04-03 Thread Tony Finch
Peter van Dijk wrote: > On 31 Mar 2017, at 12:10, Tony Finch wrote: > > > > Does the more ambitious version use the NSEC rdata format so that you can > > have different target names for different alias RR types? > > I got this question some time ago when I was working on ALIAS for PowerDNS. > Back

Re: [DNSOP] New draft for ALIAS/ANAME type

2017-04-03 Thread Tony Finch
Peter van Dijk wrote: > > There are PowerDNS ALIAS deployments that signs offline (for some > stretch of the definition of offline) - every minute. For small zones > the NOTIFY+XFR overhead is very tolerable, and the public auths do not > need the private key data. If you expand ALIAS on the mast