ving a track record of putting self interest above the
interests of it’s users.
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rsonal stuff is in your $HOME. If it’s a mess at home, then tidy up a bit - better than deciding home
is too much of a mess and effectively just moving house to start again at
another home.
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can monetise their emails) than have it easy for smaller
outfits to run fully functional emails systems. And between them they had/have
enough of the market to simply declare something broken, change it, and force
the rest of the world to change to suit th
Just like there are a lot of
Windows admins who can’t cope with anything beyond randomly changing settings
in the GUI.
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else.
And in the Debian world, I distinctly recall there being an air of “don’t
worry, it’s optional anyway” alongside the “and it’s only another init system”
arguments.
It was only once it was too late and the GR had been fudged to get a
pro-SystemD vote that people realised that it
intenance and diagnostics information from
non-franchised dealers.
I can’t remember whether it was part of this or a separate rule change, but at
some point it was made a legal requirement to implement a standardised
diagnostics port - and the EOBD port was born.
So I guess we have it easy over her
r traffic, office LAN, guest LAN, management LAN, and possibly
something else as well. Most run on separate VLANs over a single ethernet
interface. And all configured with Shorewall.
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th key details (date, time, number, etc) and then
print the imaged page.
At the same place I also did a custom text-ps script, adding in options to use
some of the printer specific features we had on our printers - like doing A3
landscape on a laser instead of pri
omputers are all off.
It’s something when it’s possible to walk around the house lit only by little
LEDs - even the smoke detectors are tiny little floodlights, thankfully only
dim and green.
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while now since I dealt with th and I
don’t recall any details other than needing to clear entries in the contract
table to actually stop traffic - I vaguely recall having to log onto the main
router and drop it there sometimes.
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k that the entire
programming manuals (dead trees back then) were only about 3” thick back then !
But one of the 3 manuals was entirely dedicated to what the UI should look like
and how it should work.
Was it Borland that did the Pascal first ?
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Also the syslog and kluged examples both show the use of -n to avoid
backgrounding.
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thought was a p.i.t.a. is a stage where
you have to provide ping and traceroute results to 100 different IPv6
destinations over 100 days. The hardest part if finding 100 different
destinations - at the time I did it, I did some grepping of DNS server logs at
work to find them ;-)
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o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
> Not only do I want to echo mr Joel but for mr Simon.
> This gives great information - - - all together AND in a fashion that
> I think I may even be understanding this.
Thanks, that makes it worthwhile having written it.
As you might have guessed, I’m in th
ecially if you have services (printing, file shares)
that use mdns to locate/use them.
The reality is that there is no “right” or “wrong” way to do it - just
different sets of priorities that make different topologies “better” or “worse”
for different people. It really a game of finding
uess they “lose a bit
in translation” if you aren’t familiar with Shorewall and it’s config files.
https://shorewall.org/FAQ.htm#faq1f
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md line version, shark). Are you getting packets out, are
there replies coming back, etc. Also repeat that on the DHCP server (if you
can).
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- it’s “annoying” to find
(when a disk fails) that the others disks don’t have the first stage boot
loader installed :(
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start processes is to simply start
them all at once (zero attempt at sequencing) - and have the beginning of each
script (or other config mechanism) be a “wait until my prerequisites (however I
define them) to be available” step.
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do have such services, then you’d need to
delay their startup - and then you’re back to the system sitting there waiting
for the database to be running.
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RAID assembly. If one of the disks is missing because of hardware
> failute, it just boots from the other.
It’s my understanding that GRUB now understands both md arrays and LVM - so you
can use the later partition format for the array. But as you point out, if you
use the older format (wh
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Following up from this old thread, over on an IETF list I’ve come across this
resource for learning IPv6.
https://afrinic.academy/
I’ve not looked at the content or quality - but the headings seem logical and
it’s free.
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> It seems to me that it's good to have shim programs that satisfy
> dependencies of apps on systemd, each shim performing some systemd
> function. Here's why:
>
> Suppose there are 10,000 application programs (apps) for Linux,
> and their developers foolishly insert dependencies on systemd.
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> ClamAV claims to support FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Solaris, OpenVMS,
> Slackware and Windows, all of which certainly don't have systemd. I've
> just cloned the current development repository and build it on Wheezy
> using a plain
>
> ./configure
> make
>
> which worked
T.J. Duchene wrote:
> I used Debian Sid recently, with the apparent ability to boot
> using either System 5 or Systemd via Grub. The choice seems clear to me
> that Devuan could minimize upsteam maintenance by looking at that.
The problem is not which init system to use - SystemD is not just an
Stephanie Daugherty wrote:
> They did, but out of all this design by committee, hidden between all the
> political bullshit and bikeshedding, they also created the most brilliant,
> most comprehensive set of standards for quality control, package uniformity,
> license auditing, and of course.
Go Linux wrote:
> I once investigated helping a friend use some open source software on her
> Mac. A program that was free (gratis) in the Linux community was available in
> the Apple app store for $30! That really pissed me off and soured me even
> more on Apple than before (if that was poss
T.J. Duchene wrote:
> I am neither an advocate for systemd nor am I an advocate for
> System 5. Both have issues and are basically different approaches to the
> same
> problem.
If that were the case then there would be no arguments, and probably no Devuan.
If *all* SystemD was was an init sy
Haines Brown wrote:
> Just a side note. I installed Sid on a x250 Thinkpad and then replaced
> systemd with sysVinit. Things seem to be working just fine, although
> admittedly I didn't install any desktop environment.
Did you also try removing the rest of SystemD ?
Haines Brown wrote:
> No. I installed sysvinit-core sysvinit sysvinit-utils, rebooted, and
> then did:
>
> # apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd
>
> # echo -e '\n\nPackage: *systemd*\nPin: origin ""\nPin-Priority: \
> -1' >> /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd
So you still have
Mitt wrote:
> I noticed that my messages are not pointed to those who they are sent to. See
> image
> https://imgur.com/J4UaT7D
Are you referring to the fact that it's not shown in "it's place in the tree"
like the rest of the messages ?
If so, then that's because your mails don't contain In-R
Svante Signell wrote:
> See above, the DNG mailing list is mostly full of discussions and not
> much actions, except for from a few people.
That is the impression I'd got as well.
Now I'll preface the next bit with ... this is not meant to be an insult or
criticism, so please don't take it tha
Nate Bargmann wrote:
> I'll add my voice to the chorus objecting to the idea that removal of
> systemd is for servers only.
I don't think anyone has suggested it's for servers only.
But, there is an argument for picking the low hanging fruit - and that means
trying to do the "easy" bits first.
Didier Kryn wrote:
> I am pretty sure there are very few cases where a wifi connection needs a
> static IP config. For the vast majority of cases, the config is dynamic and
> one single id_str is enough for all; doing otherwise would bloat the
> interfaces file for the sole sake of this descri
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> That's a long rant about 'systemd architecture' with an inflammatory
> subject someone posted to the systemd devel list. It didn't receive any
> replies more noteworthy than the original text which is 'hardly
> surprising'.
Ah, I'm not alone in thinking that then - shoul
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> ... or the fact that apache on the box I'm presently
> using 'depends' on bind and syslog.
Well in the general case*, those are not unreasonable dependencies. In the
general case*, Apache needs** DNS resolution during startup, and it rather
makes sense** if it's able t
KatolaZ wrote:
> Just please try to
> avoid falling in the same "everybody needs to boot-up in 12 seconds
> because high availability requires so" rhetoric championed by
> systemd-fanboys.
More to the point, I'd rather have reliability over speed any day. If the
system boots reliably in 2 minut
KatolaZ wrote:
> Agree! That's why I would warmly suggest mobile devices producers to
> include a pluggable nixie-tubes display like this:
>
> http://ad7zj.net/kd7lmo/images/ground_nixie_front.jpg
Metaphorical "hands up" - how many of us went "gosh, how long is it since I saw
one of those in t
Laurent Bercot wrote:
> On 25/09/2015 09:05, Simon Hobson wrote:
>> More to the point, I'd rather have reliability over speed any day.
>
> How about you get both?
Well yes, that's better still.
> The dichotomy is a false one. People believe they can't have
Steve Litt wrote:
>> The whole point of having 'an operating system'
>> is that it provides an abstract interface userspace software can use
>> to interact with the physical components of a different computer
>> according to the functions they're supposed to be provide, regardless
>> of the way t
Timo Buhrmester wrote:
> Probably because people don't want this behavior. Auto-respawn only
> makes sense when you're "relying" on buggy software you already expect
> to blow up, *and* are unwilling to debug it. "Try turning it off
> and on again", "A restart will fix it" is the Windows-way...
tilt! wrote:
> I think the entire issue "how do i scan for available networks" is badly
> implemented in wicd *and* in Windows WiFi Connections (which are two WiFi
> connection assistants i know from practice).
For completeness, this is how OS X (version 10.8) does it.
If using the WiFi icon
poitr pogo wrote:
> > I thought it was stupid for other reasons, but now that you mention it,
>
> > yeah, naming it after the particular slot into which it's plugged in is
> > stupid, and if you take the box apart and move things around, you can
> > break your OS.
> >
>
> no. it is not stupid.
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Can we agree that ww shouldnn't have to change our configurations if we
> do not change anything in the hardware?
That would be a reasonable base requirement.
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k...@aspodata.se wrote:
>> This is why you use UUID= or LABEL= in /etc/fstab.
+1 for that. I use LABEL=, but it's annoying that Debian's grub-install doesn't
handle that (it only has options for device name or UUID).
> Let's face it, thoose other names of the device is just symlinks
Does that
Didier Kryn wrote:
> Out of curiosity, why are the virtual Ethernet given random addresses?
Well they have to have something !
For Xen, they've registered an OUI to get a block of MAC addresses to use. If
you don't specify teh MAC address in the VM config then it'll pick one at
random, but yo
Didier Kryn wrote:
> There seems to be a new fashion to install config files half in some random
> place and the rest in /etc, with precedence in /etc in case of duplication?
> Xorg does the same, with defaults sparsed between /usr/share/X11 and /etc/X11.
There are good reasons for doing it th
Godefridus Daalmans wrote:
> We all need to begin somewhere.
>
> Not all of us are experienced enough in the areas we need to learn to make
> Devuan thrive.
Indeed, and I feel a bit "leechish" not being able to put anything practical in
- I know next to nothing about packaging and all that. I
Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> I cannot for the life of me understand the quote from djb starting, "Don't
> parse."
>
> What is it he doesn't like, and how does his text0 format keep him from doing
> what he doesn't like?
How I read it was ...
Don't have a program you want to be controlled by anoth
KatolaZ wrote:
> ... but please: do not urge people
> to reboot, ever. There is simply no need at all to reboot, and in the
> ovewhelming majority of use cases it is not necessary at all to use
> the latest kernel available, unless ...
With all due respect, I disagree with that.
I don't general
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> ... but the conclusion is "Whoever believes parallelization beyond starpar
> will improve 'booting speed' for this machine is sadly mistaken".
I've done no measurements, but my "gut feeling" is that for the servers I
manage (and my OS X laptop), the limiting factor is
Didier Kryn wrote:
> Why the hell did they invent suspend-to-disk?
I take it you don't like the idea ?
My only laptop is OS X, and I tend to leave so much open (text files of
temporary notes, a gazzillion web pages/tabs, mail (home), mail (work), and a
few others. To boot takes several minute
Didier Kryn wrote:
>>> Why the hell did they invent suspend-to-disk?
>> I take it you don't like the idea ?
> No. I don't dislike the idea. I admit it is brillant.
I'm confused then - but that's not hard !
> This leads to the conclusion: boot time doesn't matter if you never shut
> down, bu
Didier Kryn wrote:
> NTP does not adjust the RTC brutally; it seems to adjust slowly the frequency
> so that synchronization happens without the process being noticeable to other
> apps - it can take hours. On shutdown it saves the RTC settings in
> /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift, and (AFAIU) /var/lib
Mitt Green wrote:
> But I also have libsystemd0 file in /etc/apt/preferences.d containing:
>
>
>
> Package: libsystemd0
> Pin: origin ""
> Pin-Priority: -1
>
>
Does anyone have any tips for getting more meaningful output from apt when
something fails
Jaromil wrote:
> Of the three perhaps only Linus did, after
> all he is an active programmer and reads
> regularly code. But he is refraining from
> doing universal statements pro or against
> the whole of systemd, while interacting
> on details, which I think is wise to do for
> a leader.
I sus
Mitt Green wrote:
> I mean, that's something normal, neither years in the field
> nor degree won't make you smart and experienced
> (years are not equal to experience) alone, something
> has to be inside your skull.
That echoes something I wrote off-list to the OP.
Having a degree is good becau
Gregory Nowak wrote:
> From what I read, the 2nd generation B has one 10/100 ethernet port
> which is a network card on one of the pi's usb ports. Besides that, it
> does have four usb ports, and you can hook up hubs to those as well of
> course.
That is correct - one 10/100 ethernet which is a
shraptor wrote:
> I must admit I am really clueless to what is considered good practice in
> mailing-lists.
...
> I am not rude on purpose but I truly don't know mailing-list style of
> interaction.
> Should I delete this or keep this? Write here or write there?
In "days of old" it was accepte
Steve Litt wrote:
> You might wonder why I'm so partial to IMAP: A fair question indeed.
I think a fairer question would be why anyone would be against it !
OK, there's one reason - and that's if you are not running you own mail server
in which case you are reliant on your provider not losing y
Florian Zieboll wrote:
> If the fear of loosing your mail archive is the only reason to avoid
> IMAP: Many IMAP capable mail clients support synchronizing to local
> folders. For those that don't, you can easily create a local (or remote)
> backup with isync/mbsync which could even be evoked by t
hough it's a "stuff it in the cloud and it's an SEP*" fix for
all security and availability issues.
Seriously, I have seen cases where "backup" is implemented as "syncs with a
cloud account, no further thought required"
* SEP = Someone Else's Problem
Simon Ho
Edward Bartolo wrote:
>> No matter what you believe about this, overriding a command with itself
>> is a pointless exercise. dh_auto_clean will be invoked as part of the
>> 'dh clean' sequence, cf
>
> Please, refrain from using offensive and vulgar expressions. 'cf' is
> "complete fuck" which im
Florian Zieboll wrote:
> You know, I am certainly not the person who wouldn't agree to the
> concept of breaking eggs to make an omelette. But it's completely
> unnacceptable to go to the supermarket and break everybody else's eggs
> too, just because you want to make yourself one little omelette
Mitt Green wrote:
> Go Linux wrote:
>
>> Just a heads up. None of your emails are coming through. Not even in spam.
>> I >only know that you've posted when I see quotes in the responses. I have
>> a >yahoo address for this list and it has been a problem for me too.
>
> The same thing abou
Dragan FOSS wrote:
> If the group is so weak, that one opponent may threaten it, then something is
> wrong with that group, right?
No.
As pointed out, the "discussion" has distracted people from the task in hand.
No-one here has to justify their desire to be systemd free to anyone - yet
that'
John Hughes wrote:
> Yes, the impression I get around here is that this is a religious argument
> for most of you.
>
> I had hopes for Devuan, but the lack of rational thinking convinces me that
> it's going nowhere.
There's no lack of rational thinking.
People here don't want to run SystemD,
Linux O'Beardly wrote:
> While many here would probably say it's not a good idea to run servers on
> Devuan until a production release, I am already running it on a number of
> servers.
That's good to know - I need to find time to do some testing myself.
> R. W. Rodolico wrote:
> BTW, while
";
documentation seems lacking, but example files are a great fallback as long as
programs use plain-text ones.
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ption, suggests,
recommends, version ...), showpkg (which is a summary), search,
check outman apt-cache
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On 24/12/15 10:36, Emiliano Marini wrote:
Yeah, I checked that manpage, but apt-cache shows no info about recommended
and suggested packages, only dependencies (at least in wheezy)
apt-cache show package
gives info, including recommended.
Simon
Steve Litt wrote:
> With /dev/sd? you can at least try to guess which one got
> plugged in last, and then verify.
It's certainly no warse (probably better actually) than the Windows world where
it could be E:, F:, or something else - and it could even change depending
which USB port it was plu
Didier Kryn wrote:
> There remains a fundamental problem with automatic mount/umount. While
> automounting is safe, auto-unmounting is not if it is triggered by device
> removal.
> Unmounting must be done *before* removing the device if anything has been
> written to it, otherwise data is los
Steve Litt wrote:
> I did a test. I created hello.txt, put "hello world" in it, saved it,
> and yanked out the thumb three seconds later. Of course the
> whole /media/sdd1 tree vanished. When I plugged in the thumb again,
> hello.txt contained exactly what I'd typed in it. Now of course, this
> i
Didier Kryn wrote:
>That's the logic one would naively expect but I'm not sure of it. I'm
> afraid the data remains in the cache and not backed-up to disk until some
> process needs room in the cache. You can do the experiment of writing data to
> a usb memory stick and then wait long aft
Didier Kryn wrote:
>Down to zero?
Depends on what the system is doing !
I've just checked several of my systems, one showed 12k when I logged in and
dropped to 0. OK, that's a router so doesn't do much disk I/O - just a bit of
logging.
Another (my mail server amongst other things) showed 3
pproach to opening items, it is easy
to customise and have several options easily available.
But it isn't a clone of nautilus etc, so will be unfamiliar at first sight.
https://packages.debian.org/sid/x11/rox-filer
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Mitt Green wrote:
> I reckon as long as his Fedora boots, he doesn't care.
I think that's the key reason.
Linus is concerned with the kernel - and while I suspect he has personal
preferences about what is run on top of that, he's "detached" enough to take
the attitude that what people want to
to getting a specific X environment right.
I'm using i3 as my desktop currently, it is very light, has few dependencies and
will do most of the above without help (in a tiling environment)
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Mitt Green wrote:
I reckon as long as his Fedora boots, he doesn't care.
I think that's the key reason.
Linus is concerned with the kernel - and while I suspect he has personal preferences about what is
run on top of that, he's "
Steve Litt wrote:
> This idea came to me while I wrote an anti-merge rant a few minutes
> ago...
I was going to reply to that, I'll reply here instead ...
First off, thanks for answering a question I hadn't asked but had always
wondered about the answer to. I "sort of" knew what initramfs was,
John Rigg wrote:
> Wasn't the original reason for having an initrd that the boot loader,
> probably LILO at the time, couldn't handle a kernel image above a
> certain size?
I suspect you are thinking of the problem that it couldn't access sectors past
a certain point due to limitation in the BI
Clarke Sideroad wrote:
> I see little choice but to make the merged bin option available, after
> all this is all about choice, but for gosh sakes it should not be the
> default.
The issue - as I see it - is much the same as with systemd. If the upstream
stuff adopts it, then it becomes a lot
I wrote:
> I have worked with Unix systems in the past with separate /usr filesystem
> (SCO OpenServer 5 - ahh, nostalgia). Back then we had to create a boot and
> root floppy (yes I know some youngsters have probably never seen one) and I
> can recall the problems I found making enough room on
Stephanie Daugherty wrote:
>> But what's the point of having modules "at the end of [the kernel] image"?
>> You can just compile-in them.
>
> Simple, It's to be able to turn a packaged, distribution supplied kernel into
> one that will successfully boot on obscure hardware - to be able to inje
Steve Litt wrote:
>> Therefore, if you want to mount a disk partition, you either
>> need the necessary drivers and filesystem built-in the kernel or have
>> them in the initrd/initramfs (under /lib/modules). Having the module
>> on the disk won't help -- egg and chicken.
>>
>> Didier
>
io needs. It is probably mostly ok with desktop audio.
It will certainly mean I cannot use devuan in most machines I look after.
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quot;remove dmo
and load the debian libraries that the package was built against instead".
Perhaps also the very very problematic relationships involved, over a very long
time.
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On 05/01/16 10:45, Daniel Reurich wrote:
Update: I have raised an issue about no longer merging dmo. There are a
bunch of other reasons for removing it as well - but I won't discuss
them here.
Thank you very much for that.
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