Exactly! that's what i feel and think about it.
On 2015-02-02 15:46, Steve Litt wrote:
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 11:47:28 -0600
"T.J. Duchene" wrote:
Funny thing. I hear a lot of complaining about systemd, and yes, i
think some of it is justified, but consider this...Rather than
joining the project
http://sta.li/sandbox
Can we have/follow some of those ideas from the suckless/stali project
in devuan? what you people think about?
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On 2015-05-05 11:34, Anto wrote:
On 05/05/15 16:00, Noel Torres wrote:
Anto escribió:
[...]
Hello Noel,
I think I have a good reason to want to have them removed. I hate
them :)
You are free to do so.
I don't think Devuan should provide the option to use systemd. Why
should it? The dec
On 2015-05-05 11:34, Anto wrote:
On 05/05/15 16:00, Noel Torres wrote:
Anto escribió:
[...]
Hello Noel,
I think I have a good reason to want to have them removed. I hate
them :)
You are free to do so.
I don't think Devuan should provide the option to use systemd. Why
should it? The dec
On 2015-05-23 15:21, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2015 07:29:56 +
toki wrote:
On 23/05/2015 05:18, James Powell wrote:
> True, but developers are banding together to resist this as well,
> and fork projects as needed.
But what happens when one has to fork everything from Firefox to
On 2015-05-24 12:17, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:47:13 -0300
Marlon Nunes wrote:
On 2015-05-23 15:21, Steve Litt wrote:
> Xfce is starting to get too entangled, so I use Openbox. If Openbox
> gets snared, I'll go to dwm. If firefox becomes entangled, I'll
On 2015-05-31 01:21, Init Freedom wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cdEFF-ttLw [1]
May the source be with you, gents.
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Hi, i've been testing connman for a while and found it to handle very
well my network connections.
https://01.org/connman
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Connman
In my view, we can forget about network-manager completely for desktop
usage.
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I'm using it on Funtoo.
On 2015-06-12 12:30, Anto wrote:
On 12/06/15 12:50, Marlon Nunes wrote:
Hi, i've been testing connman for a while and found it to handle very
well my network connections.
https://01.org/connman
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Connman
In my view, we
On 2015-06-12 10:03, Steve Litt wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:50:25 -0300
Marlon Nunes wrote:
Hi, i've been testing connman for a while and found it to handle very
well my network connections.
https://01.org/connman
The following sentence from the preceding link made me sweat a littl
On 2015-06-12 17:48, Anto wrote:
On 12/06/15 22:15, Anto wrote:
On 12/06/15 18:34, Marlon Nunes wrote:
On 2015-06-12 10:03, Steve Litt wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:50:25 -0300
Marlon Nunes wrote:
Hi, i've been testing connman for a while and found it to handle
very
well my ne
"The job of keeping kernel development moving isn't so much about
"technical know-how" these days, he said. Running the core of arguably
the world's most important operating system is now about "being trusted
and being available. GREG (AKA GREG KROAH HARTMAN) IS THE OBVIOUS NUMBER
TWO. HE COULD
On 2015-06-18 14:13, James Powell wrote:
The problem is, kdbus isn't just an IPC, it's proprietary to systemd,
and is the only software capable of utilizing it.
Greg Hartman as the lead-takeover for Linus? Hell no. He'd give it to
Lennart and Kay without batting an eye, and then shut out every
On 2015-06-23 22:20, Jude Nelson wrote:
Looks like Linus weighed in. I found the whole conversation thread
interesting.
http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/05492.html [3]
-Jude
"We don't merge kernel code just because user space was written by a
retarded monkey on crack."
"Ker
Thank you very much!
On 2015-06-25 02:04, Jude Nelson wrote:
Hey everyone,
After a longer-than-expected development cycle, I have the latest news
for vdev.
The TL;DR is that vdev has gained enough infrastructure to generate
the information that normally gets put in /run/udev. This is
importan
Not really, don´t forget what Linus said about dbus/kdbus:
"We don't merge kernel code just
because user space was written by a retarded monkey on crack. Kernel
code has higher standards..."
http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/05492.html
On 2015-07-02 02:31, KatolaZ wrote:
On Wed,
On 2015-07-19 14:19, Nextime wrote:
On July 19, 2015 6:52:28 PM CEST, "T.J. Duchene"
wrote:
Hi, everyone! =)
With all this discussion about changes, I'd like to make sure that the
UNIX guru/programmer is represented. I've mentioned this before, and
I
hate repetition - BUT - I feel it is impo
Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the
'default' desktop for devuan 2.0?
here's what i'm talking about:
http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/
http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/What%20is%20CDE%3F/
"CDE was designed with end users, software devel
On 2015-07-24 20:30, Marlon Nunes wrote:
Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the
'default' desktop for devuan 2.0?
here's what i'm talking about:
http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/
http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/What%
differences.
However, last I had heard CDE was still unstable with some
operations.
I'm building it on NetBSD-Current to see how it goes
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From: Marlon Nunes
Sent: 7/24/2015 4:31 PM
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: [DNG] A better default windows manager
Guys
On 2015-07-24 20:55, James Powell wrote:
I got it built on Slackware once but it wasn't too stable from when I
last had tried it years ago with Solaris.
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From: Marlon Nunes
Sent: 7/24/2015 4:51 PM
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [DNG] A better default wi
On 2015-07-24 21:17, T.J. Duchene wrote:
On 7/24/2015 6:30 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote:
Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the
'default' desktop for devuan 2.0?
here's what i'm talking about:
http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/
http
On 2015-07-24 23:14, T.J. Duchene wrote:
On 7/24/2015 8:02 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote:
On 2015-07-24 21:17, T.J. Duchene wrote:
CDE is basically dead, and in my opinion should remain dead. While I
can share your enthusiasm for older DE's, CDE was never a favorite of
anyone except corp
On 2015-07-25 08:12, Roger Leigh wrote:
On 25/07/2015 10:53, James Powell wrote:
CDE was the defacto desktop for many UNIX branded systems like IRIX,
Solaris, HP-UX, and others until many replaced it with Gnome2, Xfce,
KDE, and others.
Sun/Oracle replaced CDE with Java Desktop Environment back
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:03:34 +0200
Jaromil wrote:
>
> > Jaromil wrote:
>
> > >Its early to say, but this thread is just prospecting. I believe that
> > >on a longer term we can hardly do worse tha Debian when untangling
> > >dependencies that right now constantly drag in desktop oriented
> > >st
Thank you god! yet there are sane people Like V.R, who wrote:
"I couldn’t help but laugh.
They’re going to drag Unix kicking and screaming into the 21st century…
by integrating a mid-80s first-generation research microkernel for its
infamous IPC.
Please people, read this article ->
http://bl
On 2015-08-28 14:41, Marlon Nunes wrote:
Thank you god! yet there are sane people Like V.R, who wrote:
"I couldn’t help but laugh.
They’re going to drag Unix kicking and screaming into the 21st
century… by integrating a mid-80s first-generation research
microkernel for its infamous IPC.
P
A must read article:
http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/09/05/0/
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test 1 2 test test.
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On 2015-12-31 09:05, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
I support to dedicate the first stable Devuan to Ian. Not a beta which
will hopefully have a shorter lifetime then stable.
grtz
Nick
+1
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On 2016-01-09 11:42, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:41:27 +0100
Anto wrote:
[snip]
[snip]
First of all, some of the most anti-systemd distros, like Void and
Gentoo and Funtoo, use the new naming convention. Second, once you
really know the new ip command (and forget the old ifconfig
On 2016-01-21 09:32, KatolaZ wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:08:19PM +, Simon Hobson wrote:
KatolaZ wrote:
> Well, not everybody pays his bills developing open source software,
> but if I were a Debian developer, who had adhered to the debian Social
> Contract [1], I would find it diffic
This was already discussed, Devuan is a new project with their own
ideas. Please look at the mailing list archives. The Devuan is moving
forward to put in practice their own ideas. So forget about Debian.
On 2016-01-29 07:07, richard lucassen wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:54:22 +
Rainer We
YES.
On 2016-02-04 04:03, Edward Bartolo wrote:
Hi All,
This mail thread is intended to collect votes regarding netman's name
change. The question is:
Do you agree to renaming netman?
The answers should be YES and NO. No long replies needed, I will
adhere to the outcome vote.
The poll will b
Can we Move On?
On 2016-02-07 20:10, aitor_czr wrote:
Dear Edward,
On 07/02/2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 13:34:11 +0100, Arnt wrote in message
<20160206133411.74d85...@nb6.lan>:
On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 01:46:21 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message
<56b5425d.6020...@gnuinos.org>
http://news.softpedia.com/news/meet-ubuntubsd-unix-for-human-beings-501959.shtml
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntubsd/
https://bsd.slashdot.org/story/16/03/21/0321213/meet-ubuntubsd-unix-for-human-beings
https://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/ubuntubsd
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On 2016-03-21 09:19, Marlon Nunes wrote:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/meet-ubuntubsd-unix-for-human-beings-501959.shtml
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntubsd/
https://bsd.slashdot.org/story/16/03/21/0321213/meet-ubuntubsd-unix-for-human-beings
https://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged
On 2016-03-21 11:39, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Marlon Nunes writes:
On 2016-03-21 09:19, Marlon Nunes wrote:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/meet-ubuntubsd-unix-for-human-beings-501959.shtml
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntubsd/
https://bsd.slashdot.org/story/16/03/21/0321213/meet-ubuntubsd
On 2016-04-18 17:11, Daniel Reurich wrote:
What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ?
My list starts as this:
* full init freedom, that is, all init methods being equally supported
(sysv, upstart, systemd) and nothing depending on any of them.
Nope - systemd will never be supported it's imposs
https://livecdlist.com
Not devuan specific but they have a big list there ...
On 2016-04-23 05:29, Jaromil wrote:
dear d'ngers
is there anyone here that can pack together quickly a list of current
distributions and livecds based on Devuan?
I'm just trying out this http://www.exegnulinux.net/d
Hi, what about -> https://ignorantguru.github.io/udevil ?
On 2016-04-26 15:08, Steve Litt wrote:
Hi all,
It seems like everyone in the Devuan community has written his or her
own usb drive automounter, and I've just discovered something that will
help us all.
The thumb drive you buy at the sto
Go Linux, please Stop slacking ...
On 2016-05-05 18:45, Go Linux wrote:
This is all warm and fuzzy but very OT. Please take your "therapy"
off-list. Or better yet, get comfortable enough with yourself that a
four-legged crutch isn't necessary to give meaning to your existence.
golinux
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On 2016-05-05 18:45, Go Linux wrote:
This is all warm and fuzzy but very OT. Please take your "therapy"
off-list. Or better yet, get comfortable enough with yourself that a
four-legged crutch isn't necessary to give meaning to your existence.
golinux
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Same here from Brasil.
There is "502 Bad Gateway nginx/1.9.10" error on
https://files.devuan.org since yesterday.
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Its working now, thanks.
now back to normal, we are also working so these situation do not go
unnoticed for so many hours. lucky we have mirrors.
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On 2016-07-28 10:16, Steve Litt wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 00:48:12 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk):
> I too did some checking. From practical experience, one of the
> ClamAV packages (IIRC it's clamd) has a hard dependency on
> libsystemd0. Using dpkg --f
https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd
12 points about why its bad.
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