On 2015-07-24 23:14, T.J. Duchene wrote:
On 7/24/2015 8:02 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote:
On 2015-07-24 21:17, T.J. Duchene wrote:
CDE is basically dead, and in my opinion should remain dead. While I
can share your enthusiasm for older DE's, CDE was never a favorite of
anyone except corporate. Everyone else was using FVWM, Andrew, or
OpenLook.
Not really, it wasn't a 'favorite' because it was not free.
I'm just saying that actual CDE use was rather a niche. Most used
something else "back in the day."
I'm sorry, but i don't trust wayland devels as i don't trust systemd
developers. To me
it clear that wayland IS another red hat project.
That is like saying because Microsoft and the NSA contributed code to
the Linux kernel that you don't want trust the kernel. I don't see
what difference that makes. You can get the source code and review it
yourself.
Setting that aside for a moment, X11 is a network protocol, not a
display system, and seldom used in today's world. Which means that
the core of Xorg/X11 is something that most people do not even use.
Passing all of that local data back and forth even though it never
leaves your computer is terribly wasteful, not only on your battery
life and electric bill, but on the speed of your machine and the
amount of memory required. Xorg/X11 itself does not have a clue what
to do with modern hardware. Even just using your OpenGL capable
graphics card through DRI means that Xorg/X11 has to pass a context to
a window to the Linux kernel, ask the kernel to do everything for that
specific window, and when the kernel is finished drawing a single
frame, swap memory buffers, and then finally display that one single
frame before repeating this process over and over again.
This approach is hugely inefficient, in more ways than I care to think
about, especially when your hardware is designed for direct access.
That's funny, yet everybody are 'still' using and depend on it to do
every day 'real' work and making money with it.
Until one can use wayland to get real work done, we can start talking
about it again.
Using CDE/Motif doesn't exclude other options. And yes, we could keep,
maintain and
Improve Xorg.
Obviously, you have never looked at the codebase for Xorg/X11. =) I
mean that with all kindness and not a trace of sarcasm. The Xorg/X11
code so convoluted that even the Xorg devs who have worked on it for a
decade can't fix or modify its core without severe breakage which
would make things incompatible.
Take care!
T.J.
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