On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:03:34 +0200 Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> wrote: > > > Jaromil wrote: > > > >Its early to say, but this thread is just prospecting. I believe that > > >on a longer term we can hardly do worse tha Debian when untangling > > >dependencies that right now constantly drag in desktop oriented > > >stuff, like avahi and other similar nonsense that we almost got used > > >to swallow all these years. > > > > > >on the mid - long term it won't be just systemd to make the > > >difference between Devuan and Debian. > > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > But now we get into the question of can Devuan really attract a full > > set of package maintainers? > > it depends what you mean by "full". To us it certainly doesn't means the > size of Debian, but a core system which can be reliably used as a base > by both upstream and downstream: developers, devops, sysadmins and > distributions who compile the key production packages from source and/or > package themselves, as yourself pointed out in this thread. > > what I call the hardest part we have already demonstrated we're able to > do: putting together a continuous integration infrastructure for the > core system, using software we wrote, hence we can scale organically and > we can further develop ad-hoc to overcome initial difficulties (see for > instance the caching approach taken with Amprolla, or our fixes to > jenkins-debian-glue, or the upcoming fixes to qemu-arm builds). > > IF what we do turns out to be useful for all those professionals > preferring GNU/Linux to *BSD (and realistically, the latter is today the > best pro- alternative to the amateurial mess Linux is becoming) then > there won't be need for an horde of mediocre package maintainers, but a > pack of few good ones. > > There is much more to be said, for instance the emergence of new > packaging systems which will be surclassing old ones in 2-3 years > maximum, for instance see Guix and NixOS with the smart adoption of a > declarative language for the task. > > I'll also refrain to observe the sort of labour relationship Debian is > instaurating with its volunteers, the majority being students and people > who abandon once they got a job. I'll just say we are aiming at a > different approach here and it shall be focused on quality, not > quantity. > > ciao
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