[DNG] listing partitions conveniently

2017-12-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
Disk partitions seem to have many names. THis is convenient, but also confusing. Names might be the current mount point the mount point mentioned in /etc/fstab (usually, but not always, the same) the /dev/disk/by-uuid name the /dev/disk/by-label name the

Re: [DNG] listing partitions conveniently

2017-12-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 01:57:00AM +0100, Michael Siegel wrote: > Am 31.12.2017 um 00:32 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > Disk partitions seem to have many names. THis is convenient, but also > > confusing. > > > > Names might be > > the current mount point >

[DNG] upgrade to ascii

2017-12-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
So is this what I should have in my /etc/apt/sources.list to upgrade from jessie to ascii? deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates main deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged

[DNG] Error on upgrading devuan jessie to devuan ascii

2017-12-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 01:02:41PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > So is this what I should have in my /etc/apt/sources.list to upgrade > from jessie to ascii? > > deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main > deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates

[DNG] No initrd on upgrade

2017-12-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
I just upgraded devuan from jessie to ascii. I now have a new kernel. Now I'm used to, when a new kernel is installed, that the boot process is also updated to boot the new kernel. But this has not happened. I still hae the same old /boot/grub/grub.cfg, which specified the same old kernel and

Re: [DNG] No initrd on upgrade

2017-12-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 06:00:44PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I just upgraded devuan from jessie to ascii. I now have a new kernel. > > Now I'm used to, when a new kernel is installed, that the boot process > is also updated to boot the new kernel. But this has not happened.

Re: [DNG] No initrd on upgrade

2017-12-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 07:19:06PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 06:00:44PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I just upgraded devuan from jessie to ascii. I now have a new kernel. > > > > Now I'm used to, when a new kernel is installed, that the

[DNG] lprng in ascii

2018-01-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
lprng is only partially installed after upgrade. Aptitude and apt keep telling me this. However, it seems to work fine, and I have no problems talking to my postscript laser printer. lprng's line in interactive aptitude is: Chlprng 3.8.B-2.13.8.B-2.1 on tryi

[DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

2018-01-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii. I'm not sure if I was using it in Jessie, but I suspect it was. It worked find in jessie. In ascii, though, there's a lot of flicker in the terminalwhen I ype, an even when I just move the mouse pointer over it withoug clicking. The clicker seems to e

Re: [DNG] lprng in ascii

2018-01-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 08:02:37AM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: > Hendrik Boom wrote on 02.01.2018 03:49: > > lprng is only partially installed after upgrade. Aptitude and apt keep > > telling me this. However, it seems to work fine, and I have no problems > > talking to my pos

Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

2018-01-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii. > > > >I'm not sure if I was using it in Jessie, but I suspect it was. It > >worked find in jessie. >

Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

2018-01-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 05:32:04PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 02/01/2018 à 16:46, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > >>Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >>>I've been using ROXterm in Devuan

Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii

2018-01-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 05:37:28PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: >     I was a long time user of gnome-terminal. I found recently that > xfce4-terminal is very close. xfce4-terminal has the same dependency as > roxterm on libvte and libcairo. sakura seems has a very similar dependency > list. Both saku

[DNG] R.I.P ROXterm

2018-01-03 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 10:38:45AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > Roxterm's developer gave up due to the complexities of adapting/ working > around GTK3 features: > > https://sourceforge.net/p/roxterm/discussion/422638/thread/60da6975/?limit=25#46a9 > > Tony Houghton - 2016-05-25 > > I'm

[DNG] Obsolete graphics? Am I doomed?

2018-01-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
Are my graphics aspirations doomed? While doing an openGL tutorial in GO, I got the message: panic: could not create opengl renderer: VersionUnavailable: GLX: Failed to create context: GLXBadFBConfig Indeed, the tutorial is based on openGL 4.1, and I use Mesa on an intel integrated graphics ch

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie -> ASCII successful upgrade reports

2018-01-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 05:46:05PM -0600, Don Wright wrote: > Might as well start a thread for those of us who /didn't/ have significant > issues upgrading from Devuan Jessie to ASCII as our part of the sprint, just > to provide some balance to the problem-oriented bug database and other > reports.

Re: [DNG] Any idea

2018-01-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 07:17:39PM -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > when ASCII will be declared stable ? > > Is it a question of weeks ? months ? My uneducated guess, as a mere user, judging from how well it runs on my laptop, is a few months. On the other hand, I thought that of Jessie at l

Re: [DNG] Any idea

2018-01-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 11:30:56PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > On Monday 08 January 2018 at 23:17:39, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > > when ASCII will be declared stable ? > > It'll be declared stable when it turns out that it is stable. > > If we could predict that sort of thing in advance, I

[DNG] repackaging tutorial

2018-01-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
Are there instructions somewhere for taking apart a Debian package, making changes, and building a Devuan package? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] repackaging tutorial

2018-01-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 02:29:07PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 09 Jan 2018, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Are there instructions somewhere for taking apart a Debian package, > > making changes, and building a Devuan package? > > soon (matter of days) online there will b

Re: [DNG] repackaging tutorial

2018-01-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 02:14:13PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 02:29:07PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > On Tue, 09 Jan 2018, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > Are there instructions somewhere for taking apart a Debian package, > > > making chang

Re: [DNG] repackaging tutorial

2018-01-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 07:18:53PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 01:09:14PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > I'd prefer to work locally until I actually have some confidence that > > I'm doing something sensible. Often it

[DNG] packages or pkgmaster?

2018-01-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 02:14:13PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 02:29:07PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > On Tue, 09 Jan 2018, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > Are there instructions somewhere for taking apart a Debian package, > > > making chang

Re: [DNG] Should I, or should I not, make a Devuan VimOutliner package?

2018-01-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 05:10:35PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > On Tuesday 09 January 2018 at 16:52:35, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > BACKSTORY... > > > > I'm the *originator* of VimOutliner, an outline processor that uses the > > Vim engine. VimOutliner's top priority was authoring sp

Re: [DNG] Which is Free, Which is Open Source, is there any difference?

2018-01-11 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 07:57:54AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > Technical motivations have always been too feeble to cause > revolutions. We are not here just because systemd is technically > flawed (as we think it is). We are here because we feel that the way > in which sytemd has been forced down o

Re: [DNG] Suspend

2018-01-13 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 12:17:46AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > And, in the recent KPTI (Meltdown, Spectre) massive workfest, I recall just > a single remark about 32-bit x86, which pretty much said that there are no > fixes for these issues, and mitigating them is not on anyone's priority. >

Re: [DNG] Help with Spectre and Meltdown

2018-01-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 07:27:24AM +0100, marc wrote: > > Spectre has no patch in the conventional sense. But there > are two types of things one can do: > > * Move to a processor which doesn't speculate :) with so many > side effects. Processors found on the raspberry PI, for example, > are o

Re: [DNG] Help with Spectre and Meltdown

2018-01-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 09:25:19PM +0800, Tom Cassidy wrote: > You can install the intel-microcode package. AMD processors have a similar > amd-microcode package. > > https://packages.debian.org/intel-microcode > > It looks like the updated microcode with the latest fixes is currently in > Debi

Re: [DNG] Help with Spectre and Meltdown

2018-01-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:14:13PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > And I'm replacing my file server with one based on a MIPS processor. > > GnuBee? Yes. I'll see if it works when it gets here. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org http

[DNG] googling devuan ascii leads to spam sites

2018-01-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
I googles "devuan ascii" today and in the top few finds there were three spam sites -- sites which either jut advertised expensive junk, or else pretended to be my ISP doing a survey and as a reward offering expensive junk such as (probably fake) testosterone supplements. At this point the powe

[DNG] raspberry pi 3

2018-01-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
I gather from the extracts provided by the spam sites Google thinks are relevant to devuan that there is a devuan for the Raspberry Pi. Where do I find it? How do I install it? Can I install and try out Ascii? or just Jessie? -- hendrik ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

2018-01-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 09:06:29PM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > Am 2018-01-20 20:33, schrieb Hendrik Boom: > >I gather from the extracts provided by the spam sites Google thinks are > >relevant to devuan that there is a devuan for the Raspberry Pi. > > > >Where do I fi

Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

2018-01-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 07:58:21AM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > Am 2018-01-20 23:27, schrieb Hendrik Boom: > >>deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie rpi > >>deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main contrib > >>non-free > &g

Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

2018-01-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 08:39:18PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > On Sunday 21 January 2018 at 20:32:14, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Now I get to wonder which Debian release the current Raspbian is based on, > > so I can guess which Devuan release to migrate to. > > I thou

Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- trouble.

2018-01-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:13:34AM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > Am 2018-01-21 22:19, schrieb Hendrik Boom: > >/etc/apt/sources.list shows mine is based on jessie. That's pretty > >definitive. > > > >I think I'll cross over to Devuan first, then upgrade to asc

Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- trouble.

2018-01-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 11:01:08PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:13:34AM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > > Am 2018-01-21 22:19, schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > >/etc/apt/sources.list shows mine is based on jessie. That's pretty > > >definitive. >

Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- trouble.

2018-01-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 11:01:08PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:13:34AM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > > Am 2018-01-21 22:19, schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > >/etc/apt/sources.list shows mine is based on jessie. That's pretty > > >definitive. >

Re: [DNG] ascii on raspberry pi 3 -- trouble with X

2018-01-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 11:17:13PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 03:30:44AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Then used aptitude to install golang Althout it had complained about > > > only a fe packages, it ended up installing a very large numb

Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- dependency hell

2018-01-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
To get X working on my Devuanized reespberry pi I need to install xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and -fbturbo. These packages depend on xorg-video-abi-20, which is provided by xserver-xorg-core 2:1.18.4-2rpi1. What's installed is xserver-xorg-core 2:1.19.2-1+deb presumably from devuan's reposit

Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- dependency hell

2018-01-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 07:05:53PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 01:35:06PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > To get X working on my Devuanized reespberry pi I need to install > > xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and -fbturbo. > > > > These packages depend

Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- dependency hell

2018-01-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 08:03:11PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 02:36:08PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > That jessie rpi image -- I presume you are talking about a devuan jessie > > rpi image, and not Raspbian's jessie.

[DNG] Official devuan works on raspberry pi 3 B.

2018-01-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 08:18:53PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 03:10:41PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 08:03:11PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 02:36:08PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > >

Re: [DNG] Official devuan works on raspberry pi 3 B.

2018-01-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 01:29:30AM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > On Wednesday 24 January 2018 at 01:09:39, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Worked like a charm. Now I have a very minimal text console. I know > > where to go from here. My wife has commandeered the HDMI television f

Re: [DNG] Official devuan works on raspberry pi 3 B.

2018-01-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 10:42:02PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 10:49:47PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > My microSD card is a lot larger than the root partition. > > You should be able to resize the file system to take advantage of the > full second

[DNG] Minimal devuan on raspberry pi 3 B needs wifi.

2018-01-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 08:18:53PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 03:10:41PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 08:03:11PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 02:36:08PM -0500, Hendrik Boo

Re: [DNG] Backup revisited - the rsync time machine

2018-02-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 05:32:36PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > Dear list, > > For years I'd used a couple of rsync scripts for backup, > usually just full snapshots. > > I knew there is an option using hardlinks that behaves like > the Mac Time Machine app, giving cheap incremental backups. > > ht

Re: [DNG] Backup revisited - the rsync time machine

2018-02-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 09:08:59AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 09:15:33AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 05:32:36PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > > Dear list, > > > > > > For years I'd used a couple of rsync sc

[DNG] Install one package from Ceres

2018-02-13 Thread Hendrik Boom
How do I install one package from Ceres? Together with its necessary dependencies, of course. I run an ascii system. Do I really have to switch my sources.list to Ceres, install it, and then switch it back to ascii? Just specifying the -t ceres on the apt-get command didn't work: root@notlook

Re: [DNG] Install one package from Ceres

2018-02-13 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 03:39:18PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: > Hendrik Boom wrote on 13.02.2018 15:22: > > How do I install one package from Ceres? Together with its necessary > > dependencies, of course. > > > > I run an ascii system. > > > > Do I really

Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock's Twitter hijacked?

2018-02-18 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 09:08:06PM +0100, Wim wrote: > Hi List, > > I'm not sure this is really appropriate for this list, but here goes: > > Ian Murdock, one of Debian's founder is threatening via Twitter to commit > suicide after being beaten by Police twice. See: > > https://twitter.com/imurd

[DNG] pua

2018-02-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 08:48:44AM +, leloft wrote: > > Forgive me for cheap point scoring, but as some see systemd as falling > on the pua/virus continuum, is it prudent to allow a 'systemd service > override' to block its own removal? What's 'pua'? -- hendrik __

[DNG] btrfs

2018-02-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
Laast I heard here about btrfs is that it's recommended for use only bu those who "know where the bodies are buried". I am planning a migration of my files to a new server, and I'd ike to know where the bodies are buried. I surmise that this means the thing is very reliable if you only she cer

[DNG] Pan is broken

2018-03-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
The Pan usenet reader in ascii is broken -- apparently it's a version skew between it and its window toolkit (KDE?) When using it in the normal three-panel mode it's essentially unusable, with all attempts to resize anything misfiring. I installed the ceres version of Pan into my ascii system, a

[DNG] golang and emacs

2018-03-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
Anyone know the proper thing to make emacs edit go language code properly? i.e, use proper indentation and so forth? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Xfce clock visibility with darkpurpy (was Re: Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.)

2018-03-12 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 09:38:01PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > $ apt-cache show xfce4-datetime-plugin orage | grep ^Installed > Installed-Size: 261 > Installed-Size: 5573 Anybody know what the units are? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@li

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-15 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:01:43AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > If you don't like what they did, the code is available to > you to alter to your liking, or just try lprng. I dumped Cups, am using lprng. Works fine, except that some programs don't know how to use lprng. With libreoffice, I find I

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-15 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 01:31:27PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > > Also, I *thought* all modern printers could understand and render PDF. > > Was I wrong about that? > > Yes, you were. PDF actually _is_ PostScript, just slightly transformed > and compressed for storage. Yet when I produce a pdf f

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

2018-03-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 06:32:44AM -0400, Chillfan wrote: > > A lot of times a forks fall short of taking care of everything, sometimes features are built but disabled by default (which is not much better than disabling it yourself). It's a lot better than having to disable the feature yourself

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

2018-03-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 09:30:48AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > >     Palemoon is also stuck with gcc-4.9. The documentation says that and > discourages trying to build it with versions newer than GCC-5.3 AFAIR. > I've built it on Jessie (without PA) and copied the binary to ASCII with > no proble

Re: [DNG] Getting 「」 quotes and others so show up legibly.

2018-03-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 11:40:34PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 10:57:44PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Nice, I like these: 「」「」「」「」「」「」 :) Now I wonder how to type these on a > > keyboard with German keyboard layout. Hmmm, Alt-Gr-S is ſ but that is not > > the >

Re: [DNG] Unbootable system due to cryptsetup depending to two libs in /usr

2018-03-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 04:49:15PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > Thus, as you use pieces unmodified from Debian, please report the bug there. > A fix there would help far more users than just the Devuan's subtree of > Debian derivatives. I'm not hit by this bug, but there are others. How appro

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

2018-03-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 10:28:00AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 17:42:37 +0200 > Jaromil wrote: > > > hi Chillfan, > > > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Chillfan wrote: > > > > > I agree that a fork is needed, but I think this would be a whole > > > lot of work. > > > > yes. forks a

[DNG] Pale Moon

2018-03-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 09:46:59PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > On Friday 30 March 2018 at 21:39:14, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 10:28:00AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > Here's why I wouldn't use Palemoon if it were the last

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

2018-03-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 07:42:49PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Certainly your privilege -- but, to just by your bellyaching, you'd > think it was difficult to just substitute a slightly different name > and logo, which it's not. You have to specify a specific option in order *not* to substitute

[DNG] I hope one *can* use a CDROM?

2018-04-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
I hope fixing this doesn't disable the CDROM and that ascii or jessie will still install from a CDROM when you *have* a CDROM. My machine's USB has died. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/l

Re: [DNG] I hope one *can* use a CDROM?

2018-04-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Apr 05, 2018 at 03:40:55AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 08:06:10PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I hope fixing this doesn't disable the CDROM and that ascii or jessie > > will still install from a CDROM when you *have* a CDROM. > > As

Re: [DNG] I hope one *can* use a CDROM?

2018-04-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Apr 05, 2018 at 08:28:38AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 05/04/2018 à 04:20, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >On Thu, Apr 05, 2018 at 03:40:55AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > >>On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 08:06:10PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >>>I hope fixing this

[DNG] emacs24 and emacs25

2018-04-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
I'm running ascii. Is there a good reason why the emacs metapackage depends on emacs24 and not on emacs25, which appears also to be available in the repositories? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/

Re: [DNG] ..pkgmaster.devuan.org is dead? Is the amprolla3 service down, or moved somewhere else?

2018-05-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, May 01, 2018 at 10:02:34AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, May 01, 2018 at 08:51:31AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > > > ..how about fixing Devuan BTS, instead of whining about me > > reporting things that _appear_ broken to me?: > > Is this the normal way you interact

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, May 04, 2018 at 08:28:23AM -0400, chillfan wrote: > I'd prefer to see chips from scratch, rather than patching on features > late in the game. We can be pretty sure chip makers will only patch > problems as they are found instead of redesigning their chips to > prevent future problems. >

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, May 04, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0500, Jamey Fletcher wrote: > > I'd prefer to see chips from scratch, rather than patching on features > > late in the game. We can be pretty sure chip makers will only patch > > problems as they are found instead of redesigning their chips to prevent > > future

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, May 05, 2018 at 12:13:20PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > IMO, that's the best arrangement we're likely to even get -- other than > perhaps in 'speciality' Web browsers produced/maintained entirely by > volunteer teams without industry funding. Know of any adequare ones? -- hendrik __

Re: [DNG] Congratulations! and some migration questions (was: Re: Devuan "ASCII" 2.0 Release Candidate)

2018-05-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 01:24:01PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > I also wonder about migrating my main laptop. I think I first will give > myself some time to have experiences with the server VMs, before > attempting to do anything with the laptop. There is a huger complexity > involved

Re: [DNG] Is Void OK? Was: Keep it alive

2018-05-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 05:44:08PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 12:17:58PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Thu, 17 May 2018 11:16:50 +0100 > > KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/16/contributing_to_keep_small_linux_alive/ > > > > > > Very interesting

[DNG] npm and nodejs

2018-05-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
I'm trying to try out a package (joplin) that is built using nodejs. Now the installation instructions seem to require npk, the nodejs package manager. And following links about npm, it appears that npm is part of nodejs. But I have installed nodejs from the ascii repossitory and still don't se

Re: [DNG] npm and nodejs

2018-05-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 02:44:07PM +1000, wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On 23 May 2018, at 11:44, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > I'm trying to try out a package (joplin) that is built using nodejs. > > > > Now the installation instructions s

Re: [DNG] wicd interferes with regular network admin tools

2018-05-27 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 06:05:09AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > Hi Devuan network users and adminstrators, > > I was recently suprised to observe network interfaces > (wlan0 and eth0) going up without my issuing commands for > it. I'd disable an interface, then see it go right back up. > > I somehow

Re: [DNG] wicd interferes with regular network admin tools

2018-05-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 06:42:57PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 05:21:50PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 06:05:09AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > > I was recently suprised to observe network interfaces > > > (wlan0 and eth0) going up without my issuing com

Re: [DNG] Systemd introduces "Portable Services"

2018-05-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 07:11:30PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > On Thursday 31 May 2018 at 18:29:24, Mark Rousell wrote: > > > And how far from SystemdOS are we? > > 2 years, IMO. Then at last we can go back to calling an ordinary Linux system "Linux" and not "Systemd-free GNU/Linux with init f

[DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar

2018-06-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
I have a GPE calendar, which I still use daily, and some GPE contacts. The machine these run on is starting to fail -- spontaneous reboot, random battery life, and the like. It still runs well enough that I can *copy* the GPE data bases. Any ideas how to move the data to a modern format? And

Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub

2018-06-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 09:48:19AM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: > > However, as long as Devuan is able to self-host, M$ destruction of > GitHub is only a side problem and not directly in the way of progress. To *really* self-host, would it not have to have its own copy of Debian's source package re

[DNG] Devuan mailing list

2018-06-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 08:15:59PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Over on devuan mailinglist a simillar bird apeared with simillar tone ... but > he quickly lost his temper :-) Devuan mailing list? Isn't *this* the devuan mailing list? Or have I been missing something? -- hendrik

Re: [DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar

2018-06-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 11:51:11PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:06:39 +0200, Alexander wrote in message > <20180605140639.ga7...@gxis.de>: > > > ...on Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:55:33PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > GPE was las

Re: [DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar

2018-06-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
6:39 +0200, Alexander wrote in message > > > <20180605140639.ga7...@gxis.de>: > > > > > > > ...on Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:55:33PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > > > > > GPE was last seen packaged in Debian wheezy. I *migh

Re: [DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar

2018-06-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 02:42:44PM +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Hendrik: > ... > > You found a little more than I did. Running this package on a wheezy > > system is probably the easiest way to read the calendar. But exporting > > it to a modern file format is likely another matter. > > >

Re: [DNG] ascii 2.0 installation confused by mount points

2018-06-11 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 07:16:52AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > >     If you want to share a partition (say home) between different OSes, > then, of course you have to mention it, but it's not recommendable because > config files of several applications are not backward compatible between > version

Re: [DNG] One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats

2018-06-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 02:06:12PM -0400, Clarke Sideroad wrote: > > As a Linux user for over two decades I don't think twice about > adding the applications I want and dumping the ones I don't, As a Linux user for over two decades I feel the same way, with one proviso: Provided I have a cl

[DNG] accessibility for new blind user

2018-06-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
I've got a friend down the hall considering migrating from Windows to Linux. Ordinarily I'd sy no problem and advise him accordingly. But he is blind and I am not. He will have toe doubble challenge of figuring out Linux and at the saame time figuring out its accessiility subsystems. I have

Re: [DNG] One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats

2018-06-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 08:38:11PM -0400, Clarke Sideroad wrote: > In my neck of the woods in Canada a lot of 64bit capable computers > came off the store shelves with 32 bit flavours of Microsoft > Windows. > This seemed to continue through Win 7, the 8's and I've seen a few > cheap laptops with t

[DNG] installer woe

2018-06-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
I used dd to copy the installer iso to a USB stck on my old laptop: dd bs=4M if=devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb status=progress && sync Then I moved the USB stick to my new Purism laptop, powered it up, pressed esacpe to get a boot menu, and the USB stick was not recognised as

Re: [DNG] installer woe

2018-06-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 07:25:48AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 25/06/2018 à 20:23, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >I used dd to copy the installer iso to a USB stck on my old laptop: > > > >dd bs=4M if=devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb status=progress > >

[DNG] Sorry! False alarm (was: Re: installer woe

2018-06-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 02:23:03PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I used dd to copy the installer iso to a USB stck on my old laptop: > > dd bs=4M if=devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb status=progress > && sync > > Then I moved the USB stick to my new Pu

Re: [DNG] installer woe -- Solved

2018-06-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 08:38:28AM -0500, d_pridge wrote: > > Original message From: KatolaZ Date: > 6/26/18 8:03 AM (GMT-06:00) To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] > installer woe > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 02:47:17PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > [cut] > > > >

[DNG] noisy computer

2018-07-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
After upgrading my server to Ascii (which I did successfully using the instructions in https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii although it did not go flawlessly I noticed that it was making a regular, repeated click-click noise, a pair of clicks about every 1.1 second.

Re: [DNG] noisy computer

2018-07-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jul 02, 2018 at 10:01:26AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Montag, 2. Juli 2018 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > After upgrading my server to Ascii (which I did successfully using the > > instructions in > > https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-a

Re: [DNG] noisy computer

2018-07-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
face, and when I do it's over X to screen on another machine. Not doing that now. Or is it k for kernel? -- hendrik > > On Sun, 2018-07-01 at 21:25 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > After upgrading my server to Ascii (which I did successfully using the > > instructi

Re: [DNG] noisy computer

2018-07-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jul 02, 2018 at 02:15:32PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 11:54:11 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 02, 2018 at 10:01:26AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > In earlier days this was the "click of death". Maybe it

Re: [DNG] systemd and wlan0 interface problem

2018-07-07 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 12:19:57PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > On laptops, I have wifi roaming > with many different wifi stations recorded, and automatic connection to the > present station, with priority to Ethernet when plugged in. This sounds like exactly what I want. > Everything > simple,

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 05:55:29PM -0500, Эльбрус Кондратьев wrote: > > The war on privacy will continue, so I'll suggest to take sustainable > positions. The need of control and 'power' in some people, and the need > to follow orders in others, stands ingrained in their psychological > makeup, a

[DNG] is there a problem with package signing?

2018-07-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
During and after my upgade to ascii, when I try to install packages I consistently get messages like WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! lighttpd Install these packages without verification? [y/N] Is there something wrong with pakage signing? My apt-sources are from pkgma

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