Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

2017-05-13 Thread Arnt Karlsen
from woody and sarge to sid/wheezy, and from lenny to sid/Jessie. Only reason I left SuSE-5.2 (It rocked!), was I didn't know how to do "insmod -v sb16" to get audio. ;o) ..I've only had 2 things break, hardware and pöttercode, first pulseaudio and then systemd, but the biggest

[DNG] ..is Devuan BTS down? reportbug torbrowser-launcher likely failed for me...

2017-05-13 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ons on Tor browser integrity? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. jacksums Description: Binary data _

Re: [DNG] ..is Devuan BTS down? reportbug torbrowser-launcher likely failed for me...

2017-05-13 Thread Arnt Karlsen
7aabac0efc04640d42fcaaa99ebf0ff45ab046892198991e532cc692ce4f5da7202b7874ddf11a3fc2e668421d6fddf70fb1fbae4f54584ff4c89004863ad218461c120a04c4fdd79db8b475d08a6cc8e07b323 > 15252 jacksums ..is it any safer? Well, matching only a md5sum on a file is obviously easier than matching all jacksum -a all -F "#ALGONAME{i}" -q txt: |wc -l

Re: [DNG] Raspi3 RC2 NOT working

2017-05-14 Thread Arnt Karlsen
; Also the ethernet is screwed, effectively rendering the system > > unusable. > > I can confirm this. Seems the keyboard doesn't work at all. > > > RC1 is fine. > > Haven't tried it, will do. ..are you guys able to chroot into RC2, e.g. from RC1? -- ..med vennl

[DNG] what if we simply mirror all non-linux Debian archs (hurd-i386, kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386) "and see what happens?" ; o), was: reportbug default bts

2017-05-14 Thread Arnt Karlsen
mirror up quickly, instead of messing with amprolla etc to mirror Debian hurd, kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 + Devuan all else on low low low bandwidth... We have the same mirror file tree structure, minus systemd and plus our own 2 native and our 381 rebuilt packages, no? -- ..med vennlig hils

Re: [DNG] upgrade and dist-upgrade

2017-05-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ade and upgrade are 2 slightly different tasks, and apt-get and aptitude do things slightly differently, so in combination you'll have 3 or 4 slightly different solutions to conflicts, quite handy IME whenever you disagree with any of those tools' suggested (dist-)upgrade solution

Re: [DNG] PHP-7 on Devuan

2017-05-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
using these tricks, AFAIR this idea was seen as "neat but total overkill for what we are doing here." :o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of th

[DNG] ..wrong keyboard layout in slim/wdm, correct layout in X and on the console, what did I miss???

2017-05-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
Hi, ..I have the wrong qwerty keyboard layout in slim/wdm, and the correct Norwegian Dvorak layout in both X and on the console, wtf did I miss??? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
rump's run for president... ;oD -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ D

Re: [DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-06-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 21:18:48 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170424201848.gw14...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 09:14:23PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > ..in both cases we end users get tricked into bad things, the only &

Re: [DNG] reportbug, unable to connect to devuan bts

2017-06-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
nothing if systemd is not running as pid1. ..how do we know libsystemd0 "does nothing", if we know? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
neering out Gnome3 dependencies to it, I just don't understand > the priorities. > > SteveT ..those priorities can only make sense in some kinda warfare. Systemd is either some kinda back-up for Tor etc people, or, it is meant to defeat and possibly extermi

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
uan's intended > user base (or 'market' if you prefer)?" ..for me, Devuan is a backup plan, I don't trust Ed Snowdon's judgement on Tor-on-top-of-systemd distros like Tails and Qube-OS, he is after all still stuck in Moscow, Russia on Putin's mercy. ..and, one of

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
> I suppose what I'm really getting at is "who are Devuan's intended > > user base (or 'market' if you prefer)?" > > ..for me, Devuan is a backup plan, I don't trust Ed Snowdon's ...apologies, I meant Snowden's... > judgement on T

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 14:55:07 +0200, Tomasz wrote in message <20170622125507.gb104...@mother.pipebreaker.pl>: > On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 06:46:54PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > ..for me, Devuan is a backup plan, I don't trust Ed Snowdon's > > judgement

Re: [DNG] heads 0.3 released!

2017-06-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglis

Re: [DNG] heads 0.3 released!

2017-06-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 15:24:48 +0200, Didier wrote in message <84409ec6-371b-0839-b68a-48d36ad63...@in2p3.fr>: > Le 23/06/2017 à 11:48, KatolaZ a écrit : > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 11:41:14AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > >> Le 23/06/2017 à 10:41, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : >

Re: [DNG] Trinity on Jessie

2017-06-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
d leave the systemd Debian lines ("For Jessie (Debian 8.x)"), ("For Stretch (Debian 9.x)"), ("For Buster (Debian 10.x)") etc, alone. ..test in progress. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestr

Re: [DNG] Trinity on Jessie

2017-06-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
For Buster (Debian 10.x)") etc, alone. > > ..test in progress. ..test fails, it wants to remove a bazillion packages and I don't play those kinda Debian games anymore. ..furthermore, "TDE" believes Devuan Jessie = Debian Jessie: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_

Re: [DNG] Trinity on Jessie

2017-06-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
gt; ..test fails, it wants to remove a bazillion packages and > I don't play those kinda Debian games anymore. > > ..furthermore, "TDE" believes Devuan Jessie = Debian Jessie: > https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds > as shown in: http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-

Re: [DNG] Trinity on Jessie

2017-06-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 21:14:58 +0200, Dr. wrote in message <201706252114.58612.dr.kl...@gmx.at>: > Hi! > > Am Sonntag, 25. Juni 2017 schrieb Arnt Karlsen: > > On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 19:23:12 +0200, Arnt wrote in message > > <20170625192312.0e037...@nb6.lan>: > &

Re: [DNG] Trinity on Jessie

2017-06-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 22:14:39 +0200, Arnt wrote in message <20170625221439.03cc0...@nb6.lan>: > On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 21:14:58 +0200, Dr. wrote in message > <201706252114.58612.dr.kl...@gmx.at>: > > > Hi! > > > > Am Sonntag, 25. Juni 2017 schrieb Arnt Karl

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:09:49 +, Miroslav wrote in message <20170627120949.wyhvph3uxrrpxhtr@gdOv>: > On 170627-11:06+0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:56:24 -0400, zap wrote in message > > <505f058b-0fe3-16b2-157d-352d4d56b...@posteo.de>: >

Re: [DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
= with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
over 11 years on proxy litigation in Utah and Delaware courts to try (get away from failing to) defeat the GPLv2, if I can believe my own estimate from my http://groklaw.net experience. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his a

Re: [DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
infringer's club. Open Invention > Network protects patents from Linux, not the other way around. ..I'd be happy to, but first I need to get those post-Groklaw "suppressive fire" litigators off my back. > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Arnt Karlsen > wrote: > > >

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:43:29 -0700, Rick wrote in message <20170627204329.gw28...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > > > ..the GPLs does not require showing BSD-style cred fly-by screens, > > FWIW, the grsecurity/PaX people had no such aspirati

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
x27;re applying. ..why in the world isn't the grsecurity guys not dual-licensing? They own copyright to their own stuff and can license it anyway they damned please. > As always, though, the only view that ultimately matters is the > judge's. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind R

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
n of enhanced GPL > software, but they don't make the threat and they put everything in > the public within 9 months to a year after distribution to their paid > customers. So, they can get away with that, but once the threat is > known, IMO it's a violation. ..I agree

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 01:19:50 +0200, metux IT consult wrote in message : > On 27.06.2017 11:06, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..there's hope, it would take holding the systemd fanbois > > to the same standards as the 'clowns' at grsecurity... > >

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
IK. > Anybody can pick out individual source trees from commercial distros > and redistribute them at will. You just can't do that with the > distribution media 1:1. ..it depends, smart people would put their source on their "1:1 binary:source" media and sell it all at o

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:21:53 -0700, Rick wrote in message <20170627232153.gx28...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > > > ..nope, I stated my understanding of the GPLs and my understanding > > of their complaint. > > I for one am utterl

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
obable because plaintiffs aren't dumb enough to bring such cases. ..never underestimate the accidental wisdom of dumb people... ;oD -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of thr

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:06:36 -0700, Rick wrote in message <20170628000636.gc28...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > > > ..I may have missed their complaint in todays research, the common > > "cred" or "credit" compaint I sa

Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
trip, or else you might need your white privilege or a lawyer or some such. ..now on agreement, any decent cop will be happy to advice you on how to run for mayor "to fix that crazy speed limit" while you serve off your time for violating it... ;oD -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with K

Re: [DNG] WARNING! DO NOT APT-GET UPDATE/UPGRADE ON ASCII

2017-06-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ent, since it contains an explanation of how you > can downgrade to ascii. ..if apt-get upgrade fails you, aptitude upgrade might work and vice versa, they solve package conflicts differently. Safely? See above. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a nu

Re: [DNG] WARNING! DO NOT APT-GET UPDATE/UPGRADE ON ASCII

2017-06-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 15:59:05 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message <20170628195905.ga...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 07:58:13PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > ..if apt-get upgrade fails you, aptitude upgrade might work and > > vice versa, they solve pa

Re: [DNG] WARNING! DO NOT APT-GET UPDATE/UPGRADE ON ASCII

2017-06-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
gt; > For those of you requiring ritual purification, I recommend this St. > Ignutious video. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffs_F8N7Nf8> ..2 more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jPmnDZ6ab8 (w auction) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S76pHIYx3ik (dropped GNU auction) -- ..med vennlig

Re: [DNG] How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii

2017-07-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
t;the works", 'aptitude install jacksum' and play around. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. __

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-07-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
hat > the attacker will have to try to decrypt them all; > 4) you put stuff in /usr/local that might contain > keys/passwords/sensitive information that would better be kept > protected. ..if you wanna protect /usr/local, chop that off /usr and encrypt, mount etc them all as you dam

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-07-03 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 02:00:22 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message <20170703020022.7ede7fb3@ayu>: > On Mon, 3 Jul at 2017 01:03:13 +0200 > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 00:42:52 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message > > <20170703004252.748a9c7f@ayu>

Re: [DNG] devuan packages explorer

2017-07-04 Thread Arnt Karlsen
e is "jessie (1.0)", while Debian's Jessie is "(8.8)", or "Acht-Acht" in these Trumpian times -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of th

Re: [DNG] A problem with a license

2017-07-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
re reasonable people and > will prefer having their software more widely circulated and used. ..this can be done (3) 2 ways, toss it into non-free (for now), and get a compatible dual license for Devuan and other non-systemd distros. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Ka

Re: [DNG] Amprolla Network Outage

2017-07-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
0.139, but packages.devuan.org is down for aptitude, it does respond to ping at 46.105.191.77 and responds fine to web browsers. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: bes

Re: [DNG] Systemd: Once again the "not-a-bug" attitude, this time regarding a security issue

2017-07-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
goodbye to > Debian and hello to Devuan, at least for the time being. > > Thanks, -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. __

Re: [DNG] Systemd: Once again the "not-a-bug" attitude, this time regarding a security issue

2017-07-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 11:16:16 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message <20170706091616.tpkpampjaxc5ni64@reflex>: > On Thu, 06 Jul 2017, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Thu, 06 Jul 2017 00:36:51 +0200, Martin wrote in message > > > > I read in german Linux-Magazin that

Re: [DNG] Six weeks of Devuan Popularity Contest

2017-07-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
"in progress" architectures? (Other than me keeping hurd-i386 and converting my debian lan mirror to a devuan mirror) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best cas

Re: [DNG] YANAB (Yet-Another-Not-A-Bug)

2017-07-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
t lost! Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 00:37:08 -0700 Followup-For: Bug #806256 Package: systemd Version: 232-25" https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=806256 -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

2017-07-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
as an integral part of a package than it is to go through > patching after the fact. And it's easier to keep them onside if we > can show that there's a large (ie significant) user base for the > non-systemd version. > > At

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
n > _The Aeneid_, book 1. (Renaud/Ron is quite the wit. I doff my hat.) > > > > Ave atque vale, > > And that is the great poet Gaius Valerius Catullus's famous elegaic > couplet, meaning 'hail and farewell.' > > > __

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 09:50:11 -0700, Rick wrote in message <20170716165011.gj28...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > > > ..sissy. ;o) > > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Sissy+Boy+Traitor%22+OR+%22the+Nepotist+Warrior+Ace%22+OR+%22Flew+So+High+a

[DNG] ..really OT, was: Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:59:35 +, Miroslav wrote in message <20170716155935.47kq33o2s5zsbvai@gdOv>: > On 170716-12:10+0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..sissy. ;o) > > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Sissy+Boy+Traitor%22+OR+%22the+Nepotist+Warrior+Ace%22+OR+%22Flew+So+H

Re: [DNG] udev replacement

2017-07-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
h "banana republic" and Cold War politics. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. __

Re: [DNG] udev replacement

2017-07-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:46:26 +0800, Yevgeny wrote in message : > On 17 July 2017 at 17:44, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:23:14 +0800, Yevgeny wrote in message > > : > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > I have just subscribe

Re: [DNG] udev replacement

2017-07-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:08:02 -0400, Ismael wrote in message : > - Original Message - > From: "Arnt Karlsen" > To: "Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 6:37 AM > Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement > > > > On

Re: [DNG] udev replacement

2017-07-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ater go back to udev? How? ..dunno, I ain't going back to systemd-udev. ;o) > There have been detailed discussions on #devuan. This search will > take you to the times they were happening. Click on the specific time > to get to the full exchanges: > > https://botbot.me/freenod

Re: [DNG] udev replacement

2017-07-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ng ever gets installed from experimental unless you explicitly > say so. ...by inserting " -t experimental " between "apt-get|aptitude \ install" and the package names you want to install. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear

[DNG] ..experimental mirror is fixed now?, was: udev replacement

2017-07-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:43:11 -0400, Ismael wrote in message <137df52c5546401899313d3793aa3...@natio.co.cu>: > - Original Message - > From: "Arnt Karlsen" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement ... > > .

Re: [DNG] ..experimental mirror is fixed now?, was: udev replacement

2017-07-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:36:10 -0400, Ismael wrote in message : > - Original Message - > From: "Arnt Karlsen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 9:04 AM > Subject: [DNG] ..experimental mirror is fixed now?, was: udev > replacement > > > > On

Re: [DNG] ..experimental mirror is fixed now?, was: udev replacement

2017-07-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 18:13:09 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170718171309.gk15...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 07:06:46PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > error al abrir fichero > > > gpgv: Firmado el mar 18 jul 2

Re: [DNG] ..experimental mirror is fixed now?, was: udev replacement

2017-07-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:14:41 -0400, Fungi4All wrote in message : > > From: sli...@natio.co.cu > > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnt Karlsen" > >> > >> ..ok, we have found a debmirror bug. :o) > > I

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

2017-07-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
th. All we need to do to win them over to us, is provide a viable alternative. ..once Debian does try put systemd on any of these archs, nothing is lost, and we'll have a much better starting point for our Devuan arch ports than we had for our first archs. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with K

Re: [DNG] reportbug is the stable repository

2017-07-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
huge disk space > available. ..there is, use aptitude, "u" to update, "U" to upgrade, ":" to pick stuff to hold back until "next time." -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

2017-07-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
d gear is an expensive hobby. Poor kids in Africa can't > afford that. And since they need computers for utilitarian reasons, > hobbies shouldn't be a priority. ..agreed, e.g. Raspberry Pi type hardware is far more useful, off grid they'll need batteries and solar panels or wind mil

Re: [DNG] Please keep 32-bits alive

2017-07-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
his is VM technology. Ability > to have the production server host in one VM and the beta in another, > and the small host OS doing security & other monitoring of both, is > cool. ___ ..one possible fix: https://wiki.debian.org/X32Port minus systemd -- ..med ven

Re: [DNG] Teaching IT & programming

2017-07-30 Thread Arnt Karlsen
xpected to carry on for many more millennia. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___

Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

2017-08-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
e these bounce warnings coming from debian.org, but those are warnings, not unsubscribes, usually whining along the lines of "I bounce 8% and will get unsubcribed at 80%", to paraphrase. ..maybe we should just set an higher bounce tolerance? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Re

Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro

2017-08-03 Thread Arnt Karlsen
w, where you use an A/D converter as a tuner and control > it with software, I'm really interested. > > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > July 2017 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business > http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz > ________

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2017-08-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
; > I'm running mate on an upgraded to ascii VM. ..I'm on KDE/Plasma, on vdev-0.1.2 and sysvinit-2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

2017-08-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
like Gnome either, and have become quite > used to LXDE - especially the boot speed of the leaner environment. ..ok, chances are you'll like LXQt. ;o) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXQt -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in

Re: [DNG] Nvidia Drivers

2017-08-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
..I use nouveau on a G96GLM [Quadro FX 770M] @ 1920x1200x32@60fps on a Dell Precision M4400, it's the default driver and works well, even on a KDE/Plasma setup. The only use I'd have for the nvidia driver, would be for benchmarking Flightgear and for 1080p-and-up video. ..but how does no

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

2017-08-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
xt and at this time? ;o) ..the "OT: most processors are insecure" is clearly worth a mention at the Chemnitzer Linux-Tage. ..and somebody at the Chemnitzer Linux-Tage might know when and how etc the systemd deveopers learned what we learned in that thread here. -- ..med vennlig h

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
y still trust it? ..then we can learn from people like Linus and Theodore T'so. ..the "OT: most processors are insecure" is clearly worth a mention. And somebody at the Chemnitzer Linux-Tage might know when and how etc the systemd deveopers learned what we learned in that threa

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

2017-08-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
-- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https:/

Re: [DNG] suggestion

2017-08-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
mmand 'man update-pciids'.", to put it the teaspoony way. ..in the installation process, I'd _suggest_ running update-pciids e.g. "if known hardware has not seen yet by " e.g. lspci, automation may open attack vectors we might wanna keep closed. -- ..med vennlig hil

[DNG] ..today's el Reg heads-up: "Red Hat banishes Btrfs from RHEL"

2017-08-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
h systemd which may have formed his scornful opinion of it. :o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. _

[DNG] ..today's el Reg heads-up: "Red Hat banishes Btrfs from RHEL"

2017-08-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
aintained by Theodore T'so and because he has his own experience with systemd which may have formed his scornful opinion of it. :o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three:

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
to be either routers (which come > preconfigured) or servers (which have an admin who's supposed to have > a clue). ..stay with kernel names. Write whatever tools needed to help systemd etc victims recover their systems and sanity as they come onboard with us. -- ..med vennlig hilse

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames

2017-08-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
wn fine thing (systemd/CoreOS?) and not do us or anybody else any harm. And, we really should make them fork off. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, wors

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
AI car may decide to kill you to save e.g. "a more worthy person" from something really, really bad, e.g. Trumpian embarrasment, e.g. because you pay attention to what's going on around you. ;oD -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of po

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message : > On 22/08/2017 at 13:36, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 03:38:50 +0200, Adam wrote in message > > <20170822013850.ute5cf7ycrlvc...@angband.pl>: > > > >> There are cases when t

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
their phones, in the hopes that the person on the other end of that missile is the bad guy.” ..the "best fitting technology available" today is whatever makes you look like Boring Joe Average, making undue consideration of what best best way to serve your own ass, rather than what _is_

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:00:12 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message <20170823180012.327dbdc8@ayu>: > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:22:34 +0200 > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message > > : > > > >>

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
sen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] ..setting up Devuan mirrors, with amprolla?, was: An alternative to renaming

2017-08-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
vuan, so I guess I can play mirror guineapig here. ..do we now have pointers I can follow? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case.

Re: [DNG] Lost in grub

2017-08-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
way with grub-2.x is grummier IME, e.g. "linux /linux16" and then "initrd /path/to/iso/you/wanna/boot which may work if you know the right boot command line for that iso or hang it" and finally [F10] or "boot" to boot it. -- ..med vennlig hilse

Re: [DNG] Lost in grub

2017-08-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
t can be used on your other hw. Also possible to put ssh etc keys on it, e.g. to allow "guests" access to a credible decoy system. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in set

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

2017-09-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
an tell us how they get Gnome 3 up and going? ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. __

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

2017-09-04 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ware open to people writing new free firmware? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___

Re: [DNG] Talos, Intel, libre purism, ...

2017-09-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ant to Devuan. > > If you want to have philosophical discussions about Open source, can > you please do it somewhere else. ..a better way might be mark those threads "OT", even good old fetchmail and procmail can be set up to e.g. not fetch those thread posts if you don'

Re: [DNG] Talos, Intel, libre purism, ...

2017-09-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
e philosophy and the disagreements, leaving this list for > >> discussions actually > >> directly related to developing or using Devuan? > >> > > Yes! PLEASE! let's do that. :) > > Do you not READ this list? Been there. Done that. It failed > mise

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME

2017-09-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
11.1, to stop seeing threads that annoy you, quickest way is pick the "Message" menu, then down that pick "Mark", then down that, pick "Ignore thread" and enjoy your future. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number

[DNG] ..OT: Can we do new cpu etc hardware, from scratch, on e.g. Google funding?, was: Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done

2017-09-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
; successful - thus if a billion dollar company can't pull it off a > small upstart certainly can't. ..can we do it (on e.g. Google funding)? I.e. new cpu etc hardware from scratch on e.g. Google funding. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
latitude, longitude, and altitude expressed as 'ICBM > address'. ;-> ..I used to have a ping target "If it responds, you missed." service going. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ances

Re: [DNG] Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.

2017-09-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
to revive a > debate about dbus though. > > Didier ..which idea is worse then, keep having dbus interacting with ssh-agent, or ripping out dbus of Devuan? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear h

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
S.E.-5.2. It was wonderful back then 19 years ago, and _might_ pass you desktop users snifftest even now. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
than Debian Wheezy, a lot of good people we could have used here, got stuck there because they are conservative and slow because they get paid to prioritize stability. ..we could help bridge that "Debian-Wheezy-to-Devuan-Jessie" gap with a _minimal_ "Devuan Wheezy 0.x" fork, if that

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:21:18 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170918092118.gh23...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:29:35AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > > > I haven't replied for a while. but yeah your probab

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:43:09 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170918114309.gi23...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 01:40:23PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > ..excellent, we're getting there. :o) Now, can we get the &

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