On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:46:54 +0200, Arnt wrote in message <20170621184654.3d2d6...@nb6.lan>:
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 14:54:48 +0200, Antony wrote in message > <201706211454.48985.antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it>: > > > On Wednesday 21 June 2017 at 14:44:34, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > Steve Jobs understood that users must be won with eyecandies, and > > > on that side we will never be able to beat Apple. Not because Free > > > Software cannot produce better eyecandies, but because the > > > newly-won users, lured through eyecandies, would flee back to > > > Apple as soon as Apple provides a more appealing set of > > > eyecandies. We should win users on more fundamental aspects, like > > > freedom, but you cannot force anybody to be free against their > > > will. Freedom is a choice, to be made again every single day, and > > > has a cost. > > > > I've been following this discussion thread with interest - I'm > > relatively new on this list, and it's been good to see the debate > > and opinions going back and forth. > > > > A fairly fundamental question strikes me about the entire topic, > > though: > > > > - what is the Devuan project aiming to do, and who for? > > > > > > I can think of a few potential answers to that myself, from the > > simplistic: > > > > - It's Debian without systemd (as far as that is possible / > > feasible) > > > > to a more philosophical: > > > > - it's what we wished Debian had been if they hadn't gone down the > > Gnome / systemd route > > > > or maybe just a general: > > > > - it's a Linux distro for people who know that they don't want > > systemd (which, in my opinion, eliminates a very large proportion of > > "average computer users", who have no interest in what systemd is, > > but want something to click on so they can use this "computer" tool) > > > > If Devuan is aiming to be "a better Linux distro than any other", > > has anyone actually defined what "better" means and who it applies > > to? > > > > > > I suppose what I'm really getting at is "who are Devuan's intended > > user base (or 'market' if you prefer)?" > > ..for me, Devuan is a backup plan, I don't trust Ed Snowdon's ...apologies, I meant Snowden's... > judgement on Tor-on-top-of-systemd distros like Tails and Qube-OS, he > is after all still stuck in Moscow, Russia on Putin's mercy. > > ..and, one of these 2 sides _will_ be proven _wrong_ some time in the > future. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Antony. > > > > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
