How is the puppy?!?
On 31 March 2015 at 06:20, Jude Nelson wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I don't have as much to report this week as I usually do, since I spent
> half my weekend dealing with a pet medical emergency (TL;DR: ibuprofen is
> toxic to puppies, and puppies can chew through child-proof l
Well how are the puppies?
Hey everyone,
I don't have as much to report this week as I usually do, since I spent
half my weekend dealing with a pet medical emergency (TL;DR: ibuprofen is
toxic to puppies, and puppies can chew through child-proof lids).
I am happy to report that I was able to extra
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 8:51 AM, KatolaZ - kato...@freaknet.org
wrote:
> Again. such a binary blob cannot be the Linux kernel with some
> patches, thanks to the fact that Linux is under GPLv2, so any modified
> version of it has to be released with the same license, which implies
> that any user s
Am Montag, 30. März 2015, 12:38:37 schrieb Steve Litt:
> On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 06:25:27 -0500
>
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > Is this really happening?
> >
> >
> >
> > > Now it appears as though the systemd developers have found a
> > > solution to kernel compatibility problems and a way to extend th
Hi!
As a honest feedback:
Currently I do not read much of the threads here.
Cause again and again I see language like systemd being like a cancer or
infecting people´s systems.
It is neither a cancer, nor does it infect systems.
What this kind of language mirrors in my eyes is fear of having
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015, Jude Nelson wrote:
>Hey Isaac,
>So, I'm looking at startx here:
>*[1]http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/xinit/tree/startx.cpp
>Where's the offending block of code?* Is it lines 191-200?
Looks like it.
>Looking at the commit history
>([2]http://cgit.
On Tue 31 March 2015 10:10:28 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> So here is my plea to stay to what you actually *really* perceive. Stop
> assuming intentions. Especially stop assuming bad intentions. I think that
> systemd developers essentially mean it good. They have no evil plans to
> take over the
I wouldn't say systemd developers are evil
merely selfish
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Hi!
>
> As a honest feedback:
>
> Currently I do not read much of the threads here.
>
> Cause again and again I see language like systemd being like a cancer or
> infecting people´s
Selfish in what way exactly? Is Systemd closed source?
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:53 AM, shraptor shraptor wrote:
> I wouldn't say systemd developers are evil
> merely selfish
>
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> As a honest feedback:
>>
>> Currently I do not
On Tue 31 March 2015 09:59:48 Damien Hunter wrote:
> Selfish in what way exactly?
maybe in a way where they put their own priorities on top and ruthlessly
follow them, no matter if that breaks stuff for a lot or even majority of other
users. Selfish as in egozentric and not at all open to any cr
Hi Jörg,
Am Dienstag, 31. März 2015, 10:40:14 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber:
> On Tue 31 March 2015 10:10:28 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > So here is my plea to stay to what you actually *really* perceive.
> > Stop
> > assuming intentions. Especially stop assuming bad intentions. I think
> > that syst
Am Dienstag, 31. März 2015, 11:11:31 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber:
> On Tue 31 March 2015 09:59:48 Damien Hunter wrote:
> > Selfish in what way exactly?
>
> maybe in a way where they put their own priorities on top and
> ruthlessly follow them, no matter if that breaks stuff for a lot or
> even maj
On Tue 31 March 2015 11:16:02 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> I do not think that any terms like cancer, infection or cabal are any
> helpful there.
NB not *I* invented "systemd cabal" term, it been Poettering himself, in his
blog I linked above.
here again for your convenience:
http://0pointer.ne
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:16:02AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
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>
> What I perceive as the most pressing social issue around systemd and
> systemd upstream, but also partly systemd Debian packagers is the complete
> refusal to treat some bug reports and some kind of feedback in a way
Le 30/03/2015 19:24, Steve Litt a écrit :
Hi Didier,
If your post says what I think it says, you're saying that modern init
systems should always start services concurrently, not consecutively.
Maybe this is a little too extremist and is going farther than what
I meant. Let me moderate i
On 03/31/2015 10:10 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> It is neither a cancer, nor does it infect systems.
"Systemd Gains IP Forwarding, IP Masquerading & Basic Firewall Controls"
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-networkd-IP-Forward
"Systemd Works On PPPoE Support"
http://w
On Tue 31 March 2015 11:57:00 Udo Rader wrote:
> And when it comes to wording and social (mis)behaviour, I think Lennart
> said it very well for himself in his interview last October:
>
> "The Open Source community is full of assholes"
Perfect excuse to act like one yourself ;-)
[not addressed t
Am Dienstag, 31. März 2015, 11:57:00 schrieb Udo Rader:
> On 03/31/2015 10:10 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > It is neither a cancer, nor does it infect systems.
>
> "Systemd Gains IP Forwarding, IP Masquerading & Basic Firewall Controls"
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=syst
"Saying that systemd is the source of all evil and we are doomed to it, is
in no way helpful for any..."
It's the spawn of Satan, I tell you! Have you not seen the systemd web site?
http://churchofsatan.com/
It's been written on The Internet that the systemd developers have horns
growing out of
On 2015-03-31 10:10, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Hi!
Neither systemd nor systemd upstream have any power over you.
This is still *free* software.
Stop giving your power away.
Ciao,
the systemd discussion is most importantly not a technical discussion
but a discussion on its centr
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 01:59:28PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>
> If you want to see this as a cancer or virus infection you are subjected
> to, it is your choice. I doubt that it is a choice that is effective at
> changing the situation, but it is your choice.
Seeing it as a cancer is mo
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:16:02AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>
> [1] [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity
> and resistance:
>
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-September/thread.html
The discussion here contains a quotation about
# Devuan Weekly News Issue XVII
__Volume 02, Week 12, Devuan Week 17__
Released 03/31/12015 [HE](why-he)
https://git.devuan.org/Envite/devuan-weekly-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-02/issue-017
## Editorial
### Where no toy has gone before...
We mourn the passing of actor Leonard Nimoy, most f
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:16:02AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> >
> > [1] [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity
> > and resistance:
> >
> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-September/thread
A good list.
Some combo of 1. and 10. WRT interface design "Be liberal in what you
accept for input and conservative in what you output to the next victim"
Also for 13. sysadmin time is also expensive. Human time gets more
expensive every year and machine time gets cheaper every year.
__
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 07:51:19 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 04:56:00PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > Of course, the next step is an "authorized" and signed kernel
> > distributed only in binary form that can be "trusted" on Win10
> > certified hardware. Add to that scenario th
Thankfully, the puppy should be fine :) She only ate a few capsules, and
we caught her just after the fact, so we were able to get her proper
treatment before the toxicity could set in. We get to take her home from
the vet either tonight or tomorrow.
-Jude
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Archa
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:44:25AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
> Thankfully, the puppy should be fine :) She only ate a few capsules, and
> we caught her just after the fact, so we were able to get her proper
> treatment before the toxicity could set in. We get to take her home from
> the vet eithe
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 10:10:28 +0200
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Saying that systemd is the source of all evil and we are doomed to
> it, is in no way helpful for any "we want to be without systemd"
> efforts like Devuan. Quite the opposite: It harms the credibility of
> such projects, cause it gi
On Tue 31 March 2015 09:11:54 Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:16:02AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > [1] [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity
> > and resistance:
> >
> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-September/thre
Dear Jude,
I would like to try your vdev. I plan to use a diskless embeded
powerpc I have available for devel. I prefer that to using quemu and I
want to keep my laptop functional h24.
I would do it in an OS built from scratch with only 3 components:
kernel version 2.6.29, busybo
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:14:17AM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2015, Jude Nelson wrote:
>
> >Hey Isaac,
> >So, I'm looking at startx here:
> >*[1]http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/xinit/tree/startx.cpp
> >Where's the offending block of code?* Is it lines 191-200?
>
>
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 09:15:23AM -0400, etech3 wrote:
> # Devuan Weekly News Issue XVII
>
> __Volume 02, Week 12, Devuan Week 17__
> ### [Puppy Linux-related thoughts...][4]
>
> Isaac Dunham started a post that there may be some guidelines from Puppy
> Linux for building a small, lightweight, f
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:11:54 -0400
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:16:02AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> >
> > [1] [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of
> > polarity and resistance:
> >
> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-Se
Hi everyone,
I am aware of the planets names theme, nevertheless I would like to propose
a slightly different from the galaxies approach towards the logo, namely
highlighting the liberated character of the project and at the same time
reference to Debian.
The logo which utilizes the un
On 31/03/15 19:27, wojt wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am aware of the planets names theme, nevertheless I would like to
propose a slightly different from the galaxies approach towards the logo,
namely highlighting the liberated character of the project and at the same time
reference to Debian.
Hey everyone,
A few people have asked me privately how to help test vdev, for which I am
very grateful :) It inspired me to write up a tutorial and crash course to
testing and using vdev [1]. The instructions should work in the Vagrant
image (or in Debian testing/unstable, for that matter).
Any
Hi Didier,
Thank you for offering! I haven't tried statically linking vdev or its
helper programs yet, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. You'll need to
tweak the vdevd and vdevd helper program makefiles (in vdevd/Makefile and
vdevd/helpers/LINUX/Makefile, respectively) to add the -static dir
Thanks Isaac for the correction.
On 03/31/2015 12:59 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 09:15:23AM -0400, etech3 wrote:
# Devuan Weekly News Issue XVII
__Volume 02, Week 12, Devuan Week 17__
### [Puppy Linux-related thoughts...][4]
Isaac Dunham started a post that there may be
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 08:31:08PM +0200, Anto wrote:
>
> On 31/03/15 19:27, wojt wrote:
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> > I am aware of the planets names theme, nevertheless I would like to
> > propose a slightly different from the galaxies approach towards the logo,
> > namely highlighting the liber
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 7:27 PM +02:00 from wojt :
>It will be very beneficial for the project to be promoted with a logo which
>has a clear, strong and precise symbolic message:
>http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan_Freedom.pn
>What are your thoughts on this?
I agree with Ant
On 31/03/15 21:27, Arthur Schopenhauer wrote:
I like the eagle as a symbol though. Maybe a nice green tone would fit
better?
Green is good colour. It is an earthy (is that even a word?) colour
which symbolises freedom. But I would prefer blue if I may choose.
__
On 31/03/15 21:36, Anto wrote:
On 31/03/15 21:27, Arthur Schopenhauer wrote:
I like the eagle as a symbol though. Maybe a nice green tone would
fit better?
Green is good colour. It is an earthy (is that even a word?) colour
which symbolises freedom. But I would prefer blue if I may cho
Ok I will upload another version without spiral and in blue. Do you think that
I should replace the spiral with something else (it is a top-central point of
the logo, so something could be there), or do you think that just plain wing
will do?
- Oryginalna wiadomość -
Od: "Anto"
Do: dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
I like the logo but like others I think should not bear the Debian logo.
It may be trite but, why not a Fenix? IMHO, Devuan is the resurgence
of many things and ideals. My three cents.
Best regards.
El 31/03/15 a las 11:27, wojt escribió:
> Hi every
I support without the swirl, which Debian might find provocative in
a time when relations are not so good. I like it red. Do we need symbols
everywhere, down to the colour? I prefer a beautifull colour, even if it
doesn't contain a symbol. Also blue is not very good since backgrounds
and wa
Hi all,
I uploaded a different version:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan_Freedom_blue1.png
Kind Regards,
kvasny
- Oryginalna wiadomość -
Od: "Svarog"
Do: "Anto"
DW: dng@lists.dyne.org
Wysłane: wtorek, 31 marzec 2015 21:03:37
Temat: Re: [Dng] Freedom Logo
Ok I will
Hi all,
here is few other colour variants:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan_Freedom_purple.png
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan_Freedom_pink.png
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan_Freedom_blue1.png
I decided not to put anything on the w
* On 2015 31 Mar 10:30 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> I think he was probably envisioning Redhat creating a from-scratch
> kernel. This would further differentiate Redhat, and would lock their
> users into Redhat. I think Nate's point is Redhat's scared to do that
> until Redhat has everyone ensnared i
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:38:59PM +0200, Svarog wrote:
> Hi all,
> I uploaded a different version:
> http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan_Freedom_blue1.png
>
> Kind Regards,
> kvasny
That looks nice!
(yes, that's including the color)
Thanks,
Isaac Dunham
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This logo bike-shedding is getting rather out of control. Yes, it's a very
nice looking graphic. But as the OP noted, it is not in sync with the release
naming scheme of minor planets. So IMO this whole discussion may be a nice
distraction but pointless flooding of the email list. Now if it
Big deal, I will just run Windows in a VM then, although imo by the time they
'obsolete' 7 MS will probably be irrelevant.
Red Hat's way of doing things annoys me more and more, but they are far from
the only corporate fish in the Linux ocean, HP, IBM, Oracle, VMWare and Google
and quite a few
- Oryginalna wiadomość -
Od: "Go Linux"
Do: "Anto" , "Svarog"
DW: dng@lists.dyne.org
Wysłane: wtorek, 31 marzec 2015 23:22:20
Temat: Re: [Dng] Freedom Logo
This logo bike-shedding is getting rather out of control. Yes, it's a very
nice looking graphic. But as the OP noted, it is not
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