I wouldn't say systemd developers are evil merely selfish On Tuesday, March 31, 2015, Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> wrote:
> Hi! > > As a honest feedback: > > Currently I do not read much of the threads here. > > Cause again and again I see language like systemd being like a cancer or > infecting people´s systems. > > It is neither a cancer, nor does it infect systems. > > What this kind of language mirrors in my eyes is fear of having to put up > with systemd at some point. > > Yet, at any time it has been upstream developers or package maintainers > who *decided* to adopt it. > > > Saying that systemd is the source of all evil and we are doomed to it, is > in no way helpful for any "we want to be without systemd" efforts like > Devuan. Quite the opposite: It harms the credibility of such projects, > cause it gives the impression that those projects just consists of a bunch > of people who circulate conspirations theories about systemd *without* > doing *anything* about the situation. > > > So here is my plea to stay to what you actually *really* perceive. Stop > assuming intentions. Especially stop assuming bad intentions. I think that > systemd developers essentially mean it good. They have no evil plans to > take over the world or do harm to others. Instead they believe that what > they do is worthwhile. > > Of course its totally and perfectly okay not to agree with that. > > > But please stop assuming intentions that may or may not be there. And for > your own benefit, stop using a language which gives your power away. > > systemd is no cancer and it does not infect systems. > > If systemd is on your system, either you installed it or upgraded it and > your distro package maintainers decided to use it. > > So systemd developers, if you agree with it or not, had quite some success > in convincing others to use and rely on systemd. > > > Yet this is exactly what makes Devuan possible: > > If you put some effort to it, like for example Jude does without engaging > much into the fear based threads so far as I have seen, *it is perfectly > possible to have a system without systemd*. > > And no systemd whatsoever would infect such a system. It just doesn´t have > the power to do it. Its a piece of code. It has no power whatsoever on its > own. Its no evil critter which just sits next to computer and waits for a > chance to take it over. > > And if you are constructive and positive in your approach, and your > systems provides a good alternative, then more may adopt it in the future. > > > Yes, some upstream developers decided to rely on functionality provided by > systemd and some depend on it, instead of making it optional. And yes, I > see this development with concern. But it is still a decision. No > automatic effect. > > systemd has absolutely and totally *no* power over you. > > systemd upstream has absolutely and totally *no* power over you. > > I want to repeat this: > > Neither systemd nor systemd upstream have any power over you. > > > This is still *free* software. > > > Stop giving your power away. > > Instead: Claim it. Claim it by using a language that is free of self- > defeating patterns like that. A language that puts back the responsibility > in your hands. > > Feel your fear, appreciate it, and by that unlock the power you locked > down in it. > > You have any power in the world to support any efforts to have a systemd > free system. > > So now choose: In what way do you want to spend your energy? > > > Did any of the talk about systemd being a cancer or infecting people´s > system do *any* good to change the situation? Did it work? Or do efforts > like the one of Jude with vdev any good to change the situation? Does it > work? > > Do more of what works, and instead of repeating patterns that are > ineffective in changing your current situation, do something that works as > well. > > Or if you do not want to invest the time, let others do it and be grateful > about it instead of filling this list with powerless and self-defeating > thought patterns. > > > (That said I think cancer usually is no death sentence either and there > are quite powerful approaches in addition or as alternative to academic > medicine to deal with it. And I believe that there are ways to help the > body to deal with any kind of infection.) > > Ciao, > -- > Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de > GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org <javascript:;> > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >
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