On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 22:49 +0100, Oz Tiram wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> I was getting desparate thinking there will be no alternative to
> systemd's logind.
>
> I also saw the consolekit was depreciated for quite a while. Alas! I
> was happy to
>
> find this just now:
>
> https://github.c
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:55:02AM +, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 07:10:59PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:27:23 -0500
> > Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 09:57:29AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you're talking about
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:26:35AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
>
> Of course, what I really want to see is that Devuan is a big success, so
> that I won't need a Plan B (even though it's always a good idea to have
> one).
It's always good to have a plan B. The biggest benefit is often that
if g
Well, I have an idea for a discussion about "re-architecting" Linux,
however it is very likely that this is just my lack of understanding
speaking:
I am aware that task #1 is providing Devuan Jessie (without systemd),
and that is already enough work.
Personally I consider task #2 to do a lit
Hi people,
As you may know, we have been collecting logo proposals for Devuan in the
Without Systemd Wiki:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo
Now I have created a new (more graphical) survey, to give a vote to your
favorite logo:
https://surveymonkey.com/s/Q7HV9GZ
Remember
ConsoleKit2 was already packages by Max, but we don't need it in the Jessie
cycle because the logind dependency was dropped from all packages.
In the future - yes, I think we should invest in ConsoleKit2 and add a logind
compatibility API to it, as most of logind's D-Bus methods have ConsoleKit2
* On 2015 25 Feb 10:03 -0600, Godefridus Daalmans wrote:
> Personally I consider task #2 to do a little discovery and documenting of
> what kinds of "middle-ware" I have on my Linux box and how it all interacts
> (things like: what is akonadi/nepomuk/colord/avahi and do I need all of
> that).
Unle
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:24:56 -0500
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:55:02AM +, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 07:10:59PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:27:23 -0500
> > > Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 09:57:2
This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over on FDN.
Should be required reading IMO. Enjoy!
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371
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Hello Emiliano,
I like the Stylized Galaxy logo (the 2 blue boomerangs forming a flipped
S letter). But there is no corresponding "logo with text/font" (on the
next page). It would look strange if the main logo and the "logo with
text/font" do not match.
Kind regards,
Anto
On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 13:11 -0800, Go Linux wrote:
> This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over on FDN.
> Should be required reading IMO. Enjoy!
>
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371
>
> golinux
>
I must respectfully disagree. I find the a
>> This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over on FDN.
>> Should be required reading IMO. Enjoy!
>>
>> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371
> If something replaces init, it is by definition "an init system".
> Whether it does more or less than the
[Sorry Gravis, I could find no shorter way to say this]
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:49:34 -0600
"T.J. Duchene" wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 13:11 -0800, Go Linux wrote:
> > This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over
> > on FDN. Should be required reading IMO. Enjoy!
> >
>> its a general philosophy of design and openness
> FYI, I'm busy on such a topic for my Ph.D dissertation and will be happy
> to share the results once finished.
and I ll be happy to read and comment ;)
>> > it is more about principles. Let's list some:
>> >
>> > - freedom of choice,
>> > - i
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:05:44 -0500
Neo Futur wrote:
> > If I had to point the finger at Linux's greatest failing, it is the
> > expectation that users want others to do all of the work compiling
> > and packaging and then they want to complain that that someone else
> > made a choice that they di
On Wed, 2/25/15, Linuxito wrote:
> Subject: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 10:10 AM
>
> Hi people,
>
> As you may know, we have been collecting logo proposals for
> Devuan in the Without Systemd Wiki:
>
> http://without-systemd.org/wiki/i
> That leaves the 2% benefit of cgroups, whose benefit boils down to,
> when all the bullfeathers are removed, reaping zombies. Zombies were an
> irritation to all of us, but we've lived with them for 15 years, and
> their removal certainly doesn't justify a software V'ger.
there is a bit more to
>> That leaves the 2% benefit of cgroups, whose benefit boils down to,
and anyway openrc supports cgroups ;)
( my 2 cents : and should be used in future versions of devuan ;)
>> when all the bullfeathers are removed, reaping zombies. Zombies were an
>> irritation to all of us, but we've lived with
Finally got around to seriously poking around with the Valintines Alpha
release. Very alpha.
Tried a default and an expert mode install, neither prompts for a root
password and even if the option to create a user account is picked no
prompts to actually do it appear. So I just did the basic inst
On 02/26/15 00:01, John Morris wrote:
>
> A generic devuan user is present, no idea of the
> password so I set one for both it and root.
>
*** I brute-forced it: my first attempt was 'devuan' and worked ;o)
I'm impressed by all the testing you did. You may want to open some
issues in the gitlab.
On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 00:08 -0300, hellekin wrote:
> I'm impressed by all the testing you did. You may want to open some
> issues in the gitlab. That would make a good test suite for the next ISO.
Probably need to go get a Debian jessie cd and see how many of these
problems exist there too. Do
Not mine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYpnbbONrKw
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 09:35:41PM -0600, John Morris wrote:
>
> Also just another problem, can't shutdown. Shutdown in a session just
> logs out and all of the shutdown, reboot, suspend, etc. options are
> greyed out in lightdm. Login as root and 'shutdown -h now' does work at
> least. But the
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On 02/25/2015 11:10 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 09:35:41PM -0600, John Morris wrote:
>>
>> Also just another problem, can't shutdown. Shutdown in a session just
>> logs out and all of the shutdown, reboot, suspend, etc. options
I personally think dbus is largely a wheel re-invented--not necessarily due
to incompetence on its developers' parts, mind you, but more due to mission
and scope creep over the past 12 years. If inter-process communication
could be done all over again from scratch, knowing what we use dbus for
the
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:27:07PM -0500, william moss wrote:
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> >
> > I have the same problem running Debian Jessie on my laptop. A few
> > months ago all these items became greyed out and inoperative. Pressing
> > the power button, though, instead of just turning off the power,
> > s
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:11:09PM -0800, Go Linux wrote:
> This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over on FDN.
> Should be required reading IMO. Enjoy!
>
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371
>
I personally think that the essence of that nice
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