Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-08-25 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 17:29:43 +0200 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > On Sun 26 July 2015 23:18:58 Steve Litt wrote: > > You can roll your own automount with one day's work using > > inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works > > without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do it myself if

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-08-25 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Sun 26 July 2015 23:18:58 Steve Litt wrote: > You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, > dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window > manager. Heck, I'll do it myself if more than 20 people want it. +1 /j signature.asc Description: This

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-28 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:18:58PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, > dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window > manager. Heck, I'll do it myself if more than 20 people want it. Or you can do it with moun

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 10:22:26 -0300 John Jensen wrote: > I know it's decided that XFCE will be the default, which is fine, and > as a simply end user I'll be happy with a functional system. I do > have a question though. I find JWM to be quite flexible, although > I've still much to try and learn

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-28 Thread John Jensen
I know it's decided that XFCE will be the default, which is fine, and as a simply end user I'll be happy with a functional system. I do have a question though. I find JWM to be quite flexible, although I've still much to try and learn about configuring it. It seems to do about everything a person w

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 06:13:26 +0200 tilt! wrote: > Hi Steve, > > Steve Litt wrote on 28/07/2015 at 06:04 CEST: > > [...] > > Just install sudo and be very parsimonious about rights it gives > > out. [...] > > For what do you need sudo? > > Regards, > T. So you don't do su - or simply keep a

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread Daniel Cegiełka
2015-07-28 6:04 GMT+02:00 Steve Litt : > On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:24:45 +0200 > tilt! wrote: > >> Steve Litt wrote on 27/07/2015 at 05:18 CEST: >> > You can roll your own automount with one day's work using >> > inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works >> > without X or window

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread tilt!
Hi Steve, Steve Litt wrote on 28/07/2015 at 06:04 CEST: [...] > Just install sudo and be very parsimonious about rights it gives out. > [...] For what do you need sudo? Regards, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.or

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:24:45 +0200 tilt! wrote: > Steve Litt wrote on 27/07/2015 at 05:18 CEST: > > You can roll your own automount with one day's work using > > inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works > > without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do it myself if more than >

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:00:02AM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > On 24/07/2015 23:48, James Powell wrote: > >CDE is a classic UNIX desktop, but it has long been since viable for > >modern usages. > > > >Xfce, in truth, was a modern replacement for it using Xforms since Motif > >was, at the time, unde

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:49:54PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > As far as Windowmaker and Gnustep, if you can get those to serve you in > any kind of productive way, you're a better man than I. I find Unity > easier to use than those two. Speaking of Unity, Unity proved how many > users a

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread tilt!
Steve Litt wrote on 27/07/2015 at 05:18 CEST: You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do it myself if more than 20 people want it. +1 However, I dont' have sudo installed, w

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread T.J. Duchene
gt; > > I just wish Xfce would write their own automount utility to replace > > udisks. > > From: Teodoro Santoni<mailto:asbras...@gmail.com> > > Sent: ‎7/‎26/‎2015 12:17 PM > > To: Steve Litt<mailto:sl...@troubleshooters.com> &g

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread Steve Litt
own automount utility to replace > udisks. > From: Teodoro Santoni<mailto:asbras...@gmail.com> > Sent: ‎7/‎26/‎2015 12:17 PM > To: Steve Litt<mailto:sl...@troubleshooters.com> > Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org> >

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread James Powell
ras...@gmail.com> Sent: ‎7/‎26/‎2015 12:17 PM To: Steve Litt<mailto:sl...@troubleshooters.com> Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org> Subject: Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager Good evening, On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:49:54PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I thought we'

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread Jaromil
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, Steve Litt wrote: > I thought we'd decided on Xfce sure! we are not debating a new decision on the default desktop here ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread Teodoro Santoni
Good evening, On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:49:54PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I thought we'd decided on Xfce, and I'd thought that we managed to > de-xxx-ize Xfce. Everyone (except me) likes Xfce, why not use it? > It's trivial to use, even for somebody who's never seen it before. > It's the Nan

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 09:43:26 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:21:14PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > I personally don't see way we should have CDE as a default in Devuan, > given that the large majority of users would surely prefer something > *usable* instead than a DE that was co

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 07/26/2015 03:43 AM, KatolaZ wrote: I agree on keeping an eye on GNUStep but, despite I am a WMaker user, I wouldn't recommend it as a default in Devuan either. HND KatolaZ Just my two cents, Realistically, I believe the only sane choice for a *default* is XFCE 4.12. Aesthetically, a

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:21:14PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > >Not really, it wasn't a 'favorite' because it was not free. > > I'm just saying that actual CDE use was rather a niche. Most used > > something else "back in the day." > > didn't it ship by

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Jude Nelson
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:47:13PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > > > > On 7/25/2015 9:54 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > >I've heard that wayland will require systemd. > > > > > >SteveT > > > > > > > > I have to apologize, Steve. > > > > W

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:47:13PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > On 7/25/2015 9:54 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > >I've heard that wayland will require systemd. > > > >SteveT > > > > > I have to apologize, Steve. > > When I refer to "Wayland" I am referring to the Linux project, which > as far a

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 7/25/2015 9:54 AM, Steve Litt wrote: I've heard that wayland will require systemd. SteveT I have to apologize, Steve. When I refer to "Wayland" I am referring to the Linux project, which as far as I know does NOT have anything to do with systemd. It's just easier to call it "Waylan

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 08:05:00 -0300 Marlon Nunes wrote: > That's funny, yet everybody are 'still' using and depend on it to do > every day 'real' work and making money with it. > Until one can use wayland to get real work done, we can start talking > about it again. I've heard that wayland will

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:14:57PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > Setting that aside for a moment, X11 is a network protocol, not a > display system, and seldom used in today's world. I'm very aware that X11 is a network protocol. I often use it that way. Invaluable! -- hendrik __

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Jaromil
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Marlon Nunes wrote: > Until one can use wayland to get real work done, we can start talking > about it again. I'm in favor of keeping this up as a general attitude for Devuan choices. It is really important to understand that many of us are here because we rely on tech in pro

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Marlon Nunes
On 2015-07-25 08:12, Roger Leigh wrote: On 25/07/2015 10:53, James Powell wrote: CDE was the defacto desktop for many UNIX branded systems like IRIX, Solaris, HP-UX, and others until many replaced it with Gnome2, Xfce, KDE, and others. Sun/Oracle replaced CDE with Java Desktop Environment back

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Roger Leigh
On 25/07/2015 10:53, James Powell wrote: CDE was the defacto desktop for many UNIX branded systems like IRIX, Solaris, HP-UX, and others until many replaced it with Gnome2, Xfce, KDE, and others. Sun/Oracle replaced CDE with Java Desktop Environment back on Solaris 10 I believe when OpenSolaris

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Marlon Nunes
On 2015-07-24 23:14, T.J. Duchene wrote: On 7/24/2015 8:02 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote: On 2015-07-24 21:17, T.J. Duchene wrote: CDE is basically dead, and in my opinion should remain dead. While I can share your enthusiasm for older DE's, CDE was never a favorite of anyone except corporate. Everyo

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread James Powell
Solaris uses a more traditional DE now though. From: Jaromil<mailto:jaro...@dyne.org> Sent: ‎7/‎25/‎2015 3:21 AM To: dng@lists.dyne.org<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org> Subject: Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, T.J. Duchene wrote: &

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Jaromil
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, T.J. Duchene wrote: > >Not really, it wasn't a 'favorite' because it was not free. > I'm just saying that actual CDE use was rather a niche. Most used > something else "back in the day." didn't it ship by default with Sun and SGI machines? I remember using it as well someth

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 7/24/2015 8:02 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote: On 2015-07-24 21:17, T.J. Duchene wrote: CDE is basically dead, and in my opinion should remain dead. While I can share your enthusiasm for older DE's, CDE was never a favorite of anyone except corporate. Everyone else was using FVWM, Andrew, or OpenL

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread Marlon Nunes
On 2015-07-24 21:17, T.J. Duchene wrote: On 7/24/2015 6:30 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote: Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the 'default' desktop for devuan 2.0? here's what i'm talking about: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/ http://sourceforge.net/p/c

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 7/24/2015 6:30 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote: Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the 'default' desktop for devuan 2.0? here's what i'm talking about: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/ http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/What%20is%20CDE%3F/ "CD

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread Marlon Nunes
On 2015-07-24 20:55, James Powell wrote: I got it built on Slackware once but it wasn't too stable from when I last had tried it years ago with Solaris. - From: Marlon Nunes Sent: ‎7/‎24/‎2015 4:51 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] A better default wi

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread Roger Leigh
On 24/07/2015 23:48, James Powell wrote: CDE is a classic UNIX desktop, but it has long been since viable for modern usages. Xfce, in truth, was a modern replacement for it using Xforms since Motif was, at the time, under a different license. It bears the same classic layout minus some differenc

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread James Powell
ject: Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager On 2015-07-24 20:48, James Powell wrote: > CDE is a classic UNIX desktop, but it has long been since viable for > modern usages. > > Xfce, in truth, was a modern replacement for it using Xforms since > Motif was, at the time, under a diff

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread Marlon Nunes
On 2015-07-24 20:48, James Powell wrote: CDE is a classic UNIX desktop, but it has long been since viable for modern usages. Xfce, in truth, was a modern replacement for it using Xforms since Motif was, at the time, under a different license. It bears the same classic layout minus some differen

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread James Powell
CDE is a classic UNIX desktop, but it has long been since viable for modern usages. Xfce, in truth, was a modern replacement for it using Xforms since Motif was, at the time, under a different license. It bears the same classic layout minus some differences. However, last I had heard CDE was s

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread Marlon Nunes
On 2015-07-24 20:30, Marlon Nunes wrote: Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the 'default' desktop for devuan 2.0? here's what i'm talking about: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/ http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/What%20is%20CDE%3F/ "CDE wa