Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-06-11 Thread Rowland Penny
On 11/06/16 14:01, Jaromil wrote: dear Rowland, On Sat, 11 Jun 2016, Rowland Penny wrote: Now go away troll. we identify this person already as MikeeUSA http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/MikeeUSA his new address is already banned from the mailinglist and so will be any other in the future. y

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-06-11 Thread Jaromil
dear Rowland, On Sat, 11 Jun 2016, Rowland Penny wrote: > Now go away troll. we identify this person already as MikeeUSA http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/MikeeUSA his new address is already banned from the mailinglist and so will be any other in the future. you are probably replying a private

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-06-11 Thread Rowland Penny
On 11/06/16 13:38, concernedfoss...@teknik.io wrote: Why don't you fking adopt bastille-linux and update it from time to time if you "don't hate" it so much? Till then you're a liar and a faker. Full stop. Why should I update something I don't use, something I am ambivalent to ?? I have enou

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-06-10 Thread Rowland Penny
On 11/06/16 02:07, concernedfoss...@teknik.io wrote: Just because a piece of software has been abandoned doesn't mean that it is garbage. My personal opinion is that 'slim' was abandoned because it is garbage. A dev is not required to work on a piece of software forever: eventually softwar

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-06-10 Thread Irrwahn
On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:24:00 +0100, Rowland Penny wrote: > If you want another reason not to use slim, how about, it doesn't seem > to work if your authentication is coming from Samba AD. I have just set > up a new PC, compiled the latest Samba (4.4.4), set it up as a domain > member, checked t

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-06-10 Thread Rowland Penny
On 24/05/16 15:08, Irrwahn wrote: To the Devs in charge, and to whom it may concern. I just filed an issue against the Devuan slim package, requesting its removal from future Devuan releases. Full quote below signature. Regards Urban ---

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-30 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 30 May 2016 13:26:03 +0200, Irrwahn wrote in message : > On Mon, 30 May 2016 13:08:21 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:51:20 +0100, dev1fanboy wrote in message > > <49f74ba291012d3690f645b43a2f79c0.startm...@www.startmail.com>: > > > >> There's a good reason to keep

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-30 Thread Irrwahn
On Mon, 30 May 2016 13:08:21 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:51:20 +0100, dev1fanboy wrote in message > <49f74ba291012d3690f645b43a2f79c0.startm...@www.startmail.com>: > >> There's a good reason to keep things around too, in that you cannot >> be forced into a lock-in style up

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-30 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:51:20 +0100, dev1fanboy wrote in message <49f74ba291012d3690f645b43a2f79c0.startm...@www.startmail.com>: > There's a good reason to keep things around too, in that you cannot > be forced into a lock-in style upgrade. ..aye, and I see there may be a new bug-fix build coming

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-30 Thread dev1fanboy
There's a good reason to keep things around too, in that you cannot be forced into a lock-in style upgrade. Cheers, chillfan On Sunday, May 29, 2016 10:35 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sun, 29 May 2016 20:37:08 +0100, dev1fanboy wrote in message > : > >> To add my two cents.. >> >> Since it's

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-30 Thread dev1fanboy
Nice one, I'd say it's worth keeping around for a while as it doesn't have any gnomish dependencies. Cheers, chillfan On Monday, May 30, 2016 12:01 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 30/05/16 07:37, dev1fanboy wrote: >> To add my two cents.. >> >> Since it's an important package, maybe it's wo

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread Peter Olson
> On May 29, 2016 at 2:11 PM Steve Litt wrote: [...] > I use grep every day. How often is grep modified? Most recently on April 22 of this year. It was a bug fix release. There is a whole screen full of commits for the year 2016 in http://git.sv.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=grep.git;a=shortlog;h=v2

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread Peter Olson
> On May 29, 2016 at 10:46 AM Edward Bartolo wrote: > [...] > I contest the idea that software has to be continuously developed. > Eventually, proper development stop like what happens with a building. > Then, maintenance follows. This means as long as software has bug > fixes (maintenance), ther

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 30/05/16 07:37, dev1fanboy wrote: > To add my two cents.. > > Since it's an important package, maybe it's worth seeing if someone can whip > up a patch if there isn't already. > I'll look into it as I have a patch or to so that it will work nicely with our desktop-base package as well. There

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 29 May 2016 20:37:08 +0100, dev1fanboy wrote in message : > To add my two cents.. > > Since it's an important package, ..I disagree that SLiM is important, we have several alternatives, e.g.wdm and xdm. > maybe it's worth seeing if someone > can whip up a patch if there isn't alread

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread dev1fanboy
To add my two cents.. Since it's an important package, maybe it's worth seeing if someone can whip up a patch if there isn't already. Also worth pointing out that lilo is without an upstream maintainer as of recently. Cheers, chillfan On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:08 PM, Irrwahn wrote: > To th

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 29 May 2016 16:46:22 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > I contest the idea that software has to be continuously developed. > Eventually, proper development stop like what happens with a building. > Then, maintenance follows. This means as long as software has bug > fixes (maintenance)

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 29 May 2016 17:09:23 +0200, Irrwahn wrote in message <3d8aba45-52b3-8c33-0e0c-ef47920a5...@freenet.de>: > On Sun, 29 May 2016 16:46:22 +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > I contest the idea that software has to be continuously developed. > > Eventually, proper development stop like what happ

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread Irrwahn
On Mon, 30 May 2016 00:47:50 +1200, Bohwaz wrote: [...] > I also use Slim, and it works well. But if something better exists (and > as light), why not, [...] There is lxdm (currently in testing and unstable), which I gave a shot just recently. It looks pretty decent, and is apparently actively

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread Irrwahn
On Sun, 29 May 2016 16:46:22 +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > I contest the idea that software has to be continuously developed. > Eventually, proper development stop like what happens with a building. > Then, maintenance follows. This means as long as software has bug > fixes (maintenance), there wo

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread Irrwahn
On Mon, 30 May 2016 00:47:50 +1200, Bohwaz wrote: > I also use Slim, and it works well. But if something better exists (and > as light), why not, but for me I don't see why we should remove a > software just because it doesn't have a new version every two weeks, as > long as it works… That's not w

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, I contest the idea that software has to be continuously developed. Eventually, proper development stop like what happens with a building. Then, maintenance follows. This means as long as software has bug fixes (maintenance), there would be no justified reason not to use it. Edward On 29/05/2

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread BohwaZ
On Thu, 26 May 2016 08:56:03 +0200 / Edward Bartolo said : > Hi, > > I am a user of SLIM. What is wrong with it? I read that it is not > being actively developed. Does it mean a project has to be > continuously developed to be used? Aren't bug reports and bug fixes > NOT enough? I also use Slim

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-26 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 08:56:03AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > I am a user of SLIM. What is wrong with it? I read that it is not > being actively developed. Does it mean a project has to be > continuously developed to be used? Aren't bug reports and bug fixes > NOT enough? > > Software

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-25 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, I am a user of SLIM. What is wrong with it? I read that it is not being actively developed. Does it mean a project has to be continuously developed to be used? Aren't bug reports and bug fixes NOT enough? Software development is like a developing animal. While growing an animal is in rapid de

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-25 Thread Jaromil
On Wed, 25 May 2016, Dima Krasner wrote: >slim is far from perfect, that's true. However, "it works" and >LightDM can use both ConsoleKit and logind in the version >packaged in Jessie, but prefers logind. Other DMs have a hard >dependency on logind, or will in the future. We cannot

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-25 Thread Irrwahn
On Wed, 25 May 2016 15:11:20 +0200, Jaromil wrote: [...] > I don't exclude adopting the package with Devuan becoming upstream > > but are we 100% sure that there are no other alternatives out there, FWIW, below is the trimmed-down version of a list I shamelessly ripped from: https://wiki.archl

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-25 Thread Jaromil
On Wed, 25 May 2016, Irrwahn wrote: > On Wed, 25 May 2016 12:08:12 +0200, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > On Tue, 24 May 2016 23:07:33 +0200 > > Irrwahn wrote: > > > >> In my humble opinion a quality distribution like Devuan > >> should not show a potential weakness at such a crucial > >> spot by s

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-25 Thread Irrwahn
On Wed, 25 May 2016 12:08:12 +0200, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Tue, 24 May 2016 23:07:33 +0200 > Irrwahn wrote: > >> In my humble opinion a quality distribution like Devuan >> should not show a potential weakness at such a crucial >> spot by shipping a package in questionable condition. > >

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-25 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 24 May 2016 23:07:33 +0200 Irrwahn wrote: > In my humble opinion a quality distribution like Devuan > should not show a potential weakness at such a crucial > spot by shipping a package in questionable condition. Hallo Irrwahn, in an earlier mail you wrote regarding slim: | Subject

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 04:53:15PM +0200, Irrwahn wrote: > On Tue, 24 May 2016 16:08:51 +0200, Irrwahn Grausewitz wrote: > > I just filed an issue against the Devuan slim package, > > requesting its removal from future Devuan releases. > > Just to prevent possible misunderstandings, some > clar

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-24 Thread Irrwahn
On Tue, 24 May 2016 10:36:40 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > Irrwahn wrote: [...] >> 4. The Devuan package appears orphaned, the code has not been touched >>for about a year. Considering its upstream is no longer maintained >>either, the package might impose a security risk not tenable for a >

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-24 Thread Joel Roth
Irrwahn wrote: > To the Devs in charge, and to whom it may concern. > > I just filed an issue against the Devuan slim package, > requesting its removal from future Devuan releases. Hi Urban, Thanks for writing this up and posting it. I have no stake, not using slim myself, however I did want t

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-24 Thread Irrwahn
On Tue, 24 May 2016 16:08:51 +0200, Irrwahn Grausewitz wrote: > I just filed an issue against the Devuan slim package, > requesting its removal from future Devuan releases. Just to prevent possible misunderstandings, some clarification re my stance on that: I would never object to Devuan beco

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-24 Thread Irrwahn
On Tue, 24 May 2016 16:08:51 +0200, Irrwahn Grausewitz wrote: > 3. It has already been removed from Debian testing and unstable (sic!). Not so. Bad research on my behalf. Sorry! Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.o

[DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-24 Thread Irrwahn
To the Devs in charge, and to whom it may concern. I just filed an issue against the Devuan slim package, requesting its removal from future Devuan releases. Full quote below signature. Regards Urban - Request for Removal of slim p