Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > The Openmoko are phones of a different age, when every phone had > separated hardware components for functions that later SoC put > together in the same silicon to lower costs. > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page > Latest News >

Re: [DNG] Airwalled updating (apt-offline)

2018-05-05 Thread spiralofhope
re. apt-offline: http://rickysarraf.github.io/apt-offline/ https://github.com/rickysarraf/apt-offline I found old notes. I have to audit this project, then it'll be here: https://github.com/spiralofhope/shell-random/tree/master/live/apt-offline Those notes will be old and possibly broken

Re: [DNG] Airwalled updating

2018-05-05 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 6 May 2018 00:55:10 +0200 Florian Zieboll wrote: > Not actively, but I used to use the apt-offline tool with Debian for a > while - and it worked, IIRC, well and quite simple. I did some looking, and confirmed that I had been using apt-offline.[1] I hunted it down and found that it's sti

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 5 May 2018 at 11:19:19 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > On 05/05/2018 03:29 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: [...] >> On 05/05/2018 at 03:34, taii...@gmx.com wrote: [...] >>> as evidenced by >>> many competing products such as the free replicant and the costly GSMK >>> CryptoPhone from ESD

Re: [DNG] Airwalled updating

2018-05-05 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sat, 5 May 2018 15:00:34 -0700 spiralofhope wrote: > I had airwalled [1] updating working on Debian variants (Lubuntu at > least) some years ago, and I intend to pursue it again once ascii is > out (or if I use the beta). > > I searched this mailing list and did not find any topical > convers

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, May 05, 2018 at 12:13:20PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > IMO, that's the best arrangement we're likely to even get -- other than > perhaps in 'speciality' Web browsers produced/maintained entirely by > volunteer teams without industry funding. Know of any adequare ones? -- hendrik __

Re: [DNG] Airwalled updating

2018-05-05 Thread golinux
On 2018-05-05 17:00, spiralofhope wrote: I had airwalled [1] updating working on Debian variants (Lubuntu at least) some years ago, and I intend to pursue it again once ascii is out (or if I use the beta). I searched this mailing list and did not find any topical conversation. Is anyone here act

[DNG] Airwalled updating

2018-05-05 Thread spiralofhope
I had airwalled [1] updating working on Debian variants (Lubuntu at least) some years ago, and I intend to pursue it again once ascii is out (or if I use the beta). I searched this mailing list and did not find any topical conversation. Is anyone here actively doing such a thing? - I have some o

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting chill...@protonmail.com (chill...@protonmail.com): > At minimum, I'd like to see browsers blocking certain possibilities > from javascript. This isn't going to be provided in the default configurations of major Web browsers because the firms producing and supporting them are financially

[DNG] OT Amplifier design: was It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 5 May 2018 15:10:00 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > [ Lately, I am trying to understand how in the whole universe, all > collectors of 16 ouput transistors (2SC5200 & 2SA1943) in an amplifier > are earthed! Yes, earthed! Why not the 0 volt rail of the power > supply?! ] If your amp is any

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread chillfan
I would mostly agree with the point you're driving at, though I don't think I would blame individuals who use javascript responsibly. javascript is much like flash player in that sense, widespread use and used in situations where it's not useful or needed (read: abused). IMHO, I think there sh

Re: [DNG] Firefox does analytics in browser

2018-05-05 Thread chillfan
I think another issue is that pointing the finger at facebook is a good cover for implementing features users would otherwise object to and strongly. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 5 May 2018 10:26:26 +0200 marc wrote: > Instead of using javascript to calculate your pricing, > have you considered simply stating your pricing formula ? > That is more open, more likely to be archived, quoted > and allows people to reason about it. You don't need to market your own s

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread chillfan
If they used the term "free" it would feel less hyped to me since free software may bundle with blobs at times. But anyway here's a couple of devices not affected by the problems in this thread and supported by Devuan: EOMA68, shipping a version with Devuan when complete. Banana PI Banana Pro

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread taii...@gmx.com
correction - the replicant gx2/gx3 phones don't have libre baseband firmware, in this case I wonder how ESD america/GSMK made their lauded "baseband firewall" I shall have to ask them. I swear I read somewhere that they did It seems the openmoko GT04 is the only phone on the market with real m

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 05/05/2018 03:21 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 05.05.18 05:32, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> But whilst I still can, I'll at least run my own servers and rely on the >> "cloud" as little as possible. Librem 5 phone coming next year for me. > If there isn't an ARM board sufficiently free of re

[DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread Edward Bartolo
Unfortunately, making technological things overly complicated reduces the number of hackers from modifying them. This means, unethical practices like spying on consumers and planned obsolescence are more likely to succeed. We are living in an a world without ethics where capital gains are involved.

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread marc
Hello Steve > I think you're painting all Javascript with the same brush. I suppose I wasn't clear enough. I am saying that javascript as a turing complete (and poorly specified, horribly inefficient, and badly designed) language allows remote parities to run arbitrary code on your CPU. That is

Re: [DNG] Firefox does analytics in browser

2018-05-05 Thread Dave Turner
On 04/05/18 22:55, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Fri, 4 May 2018 17:50:50 +0200, Dr. wrote in message <201805041750.50383.dr.kl...@gmx.at>: Am Freitag, 4. Mai 2018 schrieb Adam Borowski: Although it's interesting how they can have the gall to label something that siphons all of your browsing data as

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread Alessandro Selli
Oblivious of the basics of ML/Usenet reply rules? 0) a reply to a message must be sent as a reply to that message, not pasted into another message's reply; 1) the author of the message one is replying to must be quoted before the quoted message. Yet another example of your childish attitude wh

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 05.05.18 05:32, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > But whilst I still can, I'll at least run my own servers and rely on the > "cloud" as little as possible. Librem 5 phone coming next year for me. If there isn't an ARM board sufficiently free of remote control parasitic low level engines, then perhaps