Re: [DNG] I went back to Openbox

2017-11-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Fri, Nov 3 2017 at 15:56:28 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: [...] > And unlike ctwm, Openbox is already represented by a Devuan package. Actually I can see a ctwm package in Ascii: $ apt-cache policy ctwm ctwm: Installed: (none) Candidate: 3.7-4+b1 Version table: 3.7-4+b1 500 5

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 20:58:24 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > I know little about this Hurd 'little' thing, but it gives me the > shivers like systemd. Similar to the latter, there is a small core at > the centre with all the other helper executables intercommunicating. > Sounds too complicated to

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread zap
> I.E. more "modern" than Unix. > > Being "modern" is not always a good thing.  I'd have assumed that > wasn't a controversial idea around here. > You are talking sense, yes modern is very often bad alas... > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org >

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread John Hughes
On 03/11/17 20:58, Edward Bartolo wrote: I know little about this Hurd 'little' thing, but it gives me the shivers like systemd. Ah.  "I know little about it but I don't like it". Similar to the latter, there is a small core at the centre with all the other helper executables intercommunicat

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread John Hughes
On 03/11/17 21:08, J. Fahrner wrote: Windows NT is based on DEC VMS, not a very modern OS ;-) I.E. more "modern" than Unix. Being "modern" is not always a good thing.  I'd have assumed that wasn't a controversial idea around here. ___ Dng maili

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > I sometimes have Richard Stallman as a house guest, > > Walk on egg shells much? Seriously, Richard Stallman is a gracious and pleasant guest. He's also extremely funny. I was at a Chinese restaurant with him once, and decided to try to yank

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
If I am remember well, MS Windows (the operating system) does have a micro-kernel, but is it more efficient with an extra layer of intercommunication? Windows NT is based on DEC VMS, not a very modern OS ;-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cutler Based on VMS, right, like Linux is based on

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 2017-11-03 20:58, schrieb Edward Bartolo: If I am remember well, MS Windows (the operating system) does have a micro-kernel, but is it more efficient with an extra layer of intercommunication? Windows NT is based on DEC VMS, not a very modern OS ;-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cutler

[DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Edward Bartolo
I know little about this Hurd 'little' thing, but it gives me the shivers like systemd. Similar to the latter, there is a small core at the centre with all the other helper executables intercommunicating. Sounds too complicated to get the added advantage, of having a very minimal kernel running wit

[DNG] I went back to Openbox

2017-11-03 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, As many of you remember, I spent a significant chunk of time delving into ctwm: An ultra-configurable and ultra-small-resource WMDE. I've used it, in a stable configuration, on my Daily Driver Desktop (DDD) for well over a month now. During that month, I found some ctwm idiosyncracies con

[DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 22:25:58 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > I sometimes have Richard Stallman as a house guest, Walk on egg shells much? Next time he's at your house, recite the following sentence: "Richard, I'm so glad you contributed all your user utilities to the Linux operating system so I can

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 17:15:02 +0100 Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 00:54:44 -0400 > "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: [...] >> there isn't anything special about their laptops that justifies the $2K >> price tag Besides, just to futher prove how little you are to be trusted, th

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 00:52:30 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > In the interest of not starting a big argument again this will by my > last reply on this thread. > > On 11/02/2017 01:14 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >>They are fully worth it. > Certainly not for the price they are chargin

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 00:54:44 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > On 11/02/2017 09:47 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >>Yes, I know, they failed disabling ME and they stopped even trying. > Their website/marketing says that it is "disabled" when it isn't. Yes, it is, and it is verifiable an

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 at 22:26:02 -0400 zap wrote: > >> Coreboot does load blobs for certain devices, so it shouldn't be any > >> surprise that coreboot supports librem. > > They did not lie about this. > Hmm... Doesn't it seem odd though that they call themselves purism and > haven't fully re

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread zap
On 11/03/2017 04:27 AM, Narcis Garcia wrote: > Please shutdown this giant thread completely. > I'm near to unsubscribe from list. > Most of subjects you are chattering can be found with web browsing. > Devuan project is very fragile with this behaviour. > Very well, If it will help, this will be

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread m712
On November 3, 2017 11:27:21 AM GMT+03:00, Narcis Garcia wrote: >Please shutdown this giant thread completely. >I'm near to unsubscribe from list. >Most of subjects you are chattering can be found with web browsing. >Devuan project is very fragile with this behaviour. Allow me to remind you tha

[DNG] Alsa wasn't working on Raspi3 running Devuan Ascii

2017-11-03 Thread Bastiaan van den Berg
So, just for anyone hitting this issue in the future, add this to /etc/rc.local ; chgrp audio /dev/snd/* > chmod g+rw /dev/snd/* Not sure why they aren't like that by default :) -- buZz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Narcis Garcia
Please shutdown this giant thread completely. I'm near to unsubscribe from list. Most of subjects you are chattering can be found with web browsing. Devuan project is very fragile with this behaviour. El 03/11/17 a les 06:25, Rick Moen ha escrit: > I wrote: > >> As it happens, as I mentioned, I