On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 00:52:30 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" <taii...@gmx.com> wrote:
> In the interest of not starting a big argument again this will by my > last reply on this thread. > > On 11/02/2017 01:14 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> They are fully worth it. > Certainly not for the price they are charging, for $2K one could buy 5 > Lenovo G505S laptops which are owner controlled with no ME/PSP, an open > source init process (no FSP) or hardware code signing enforcement. They certainly are worth it as ME is fully and demonstrably disabled on their systems and it taked about a dozen Lenovo G505S to sustain the workload a 6th gen i7 does. >> «the LibreM contains a proprietary BIOS» >> >> Wrong. I already wrote about it but I see your pathological hate for >> anything other than Talos/IBM is just too strong, facts cannot stop you >> from spreading lies: > I don't like IBM, but I accept that POWER is the best option and their > marketing of it is honest. And what do the personal tastes of an unknown person prove? > I don't like purism and will never support them until they change their > marketing to be actually honest and stop pretending that they can make > free an intel CPU some vague time in the future. They are not pretending, they proved their point. You're free do prove your own on a technical basis. >> https://puri.sm/faq/ >> >> Technical & Advanced >> Can I buy a Librem with a proprietary BIOS/UEFI? >> >> No. We ship with the free software firmware coreboot. We don’t ship >> Librem 13 or Librem 15 with any proprietary BIOS/UEFI. > It isn't libre and it isn't free software as the hardware and memory > init process is entirely done by Intel's FSP binary blob. No, the signature check of the bootloader is, nothing else. Read nefooce commenting out of ignorance: https://puri.sm/posts/deep-dive-into-intel-me-disablement/ When the ME is disabled using the “HAP” method (thanks to the Positive Technologies for discovering this trick), however, it doesn’t throw an error “because it can’t load a module”: it actually stops itself in a graceful manner, by design. The two approaches are similar in that they both stop the execution of the ME during the hardware initialization (BUP) phase, but with the ME disabled through the HAP method, the ME stops on its own, without putting up a fight, potentially disabling things that the forceful “me_cleaner” approach, with the “unexpected error” state, wouldn’t have disabled. The PCI interface for example, is entirely unable to communicate with the ME processor, and the status of the ME is not even retrievable. So, again, I urge you to stop spreading deliberate lies and misinformation. > They call their laptops the "LibreM" - what is libre about them? > > Fail to include the ME firmware binary in the firmware and your purism > laptop will shut down in 30 minutes "disabled" It does not, read the docs before^Winstead of belching out you ignorance. Alessandro _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
