Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 10/01/16 18:48, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Forwarded to dng > > On 10/01/2016, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> On 09/01/2016, shraptor wrote: >>> On 2016-01-09 19:17, Anto wrote: >>> eth0 mac XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX >>> wlan0 mac XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX >> >> I think, >> >> this is a good idea to implement a packa

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Edward Bartolo
Forwarded to dng On 10/01/2016, Edward Bartolo wrote: > On 09/01/2016, shraptor wrote: >> On 2016-01-09 19:17, Anto wrote: >> eth0 mac XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX >> wlan0 mac XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX > > I think, > > this is a good idea to implement a package that creates this mapping > file so that old school

Re: [DNG] merge netman-autostart into netman

2016-01-09 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 10/01/16 18:04, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > On 01/10/2016 02:37 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I wonder why netman-autostart is a separate package. I think that >> functionality should be included in the netman package and have the >> option to start it at start it handled using

Re: [DNG] merge netman-autostart into netman

2016-01-09 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Daniel, On 01/10/2016 02:37 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote: Hi, I wonder why netman-autostart is a separate package. I think that functionality should be included in the netman package and have the option to start it at start it handled using a var in /etc/default/netman This could also be conf

[DNG] merge netman-autostart into netman

2016-01-09 Thread Daniel Reurich
Hi, I wonder why netman-autostart is a separate package. I think that functionality should be included in the netman package and have the option to start it at start it handled using a var in /etc/default/netman This could also be configured during install using debconf. Can we merge netman-aut

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Jude Nelson
> Isn't the initial identification of network adapters and assignment originally handled by the Kernel or is this another urban myth that I have mistakenly hung on to? Yes--network interfaces are given a monotonically-increasing sequence number as they are enumerated (e.g. the X in ethX and wlanX)

Re: [DNG] kbd, init curtain call in Debian

2016-01-09 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 10/01/16 05:15, Clarke Sideroad wrote: > On 09/01/16 03:23 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote: >> >> On 09/01/16 21:15, Jaromil wrote: >>> dear Clarke, >>> >>> thanks for the notice >>> >>> On Fri, 08 Jan 2016, Clarke Sideroad wrote: >>> It looks like the choice loss and changes creep on.

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Jan 09, 2016 at 09:19:33PM +0100, Anto wrote: > > On 09/01/16 19:44, shraptor wrote: > >On 2016-01-09 19:17, Anto wrote: > > > >>On the topic. It would be quite interesting how vdev will be (or is) > >>managing this network interface naming assignment. Do you have any > >>comment on this,

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 09/01/16 01:44 PM, shraptor wrote: On 2016-01-09 19:17, Anto wrote: On the topic. It would be quite interesting how vdev will be (or is) managing this network interface naming assignment. Do you have any comment on this, Jude? vdev uses by default old naming convention but has a file calle

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Anto
On 09/01/16 19:44, shraptor wrote: On 2016-01-09 19:17, Anto wrote: On the topic. It would be quite interesting how vdev will be (or is) managing this network interface naming assignment. Do you have any comment on this, Jude? vdev uses by default old naming convention but has a file called

Re: [DNG] kbd, init curtain call in Debian

2016-01-09 Thread Jaromil
On Sat, 09 Jan 2016, Clarke Sideroad wrote: >I have cloned the kbd git from kernel.org and will give it a look over. >I have also subscribed to the kbd list at alt.linux.org >That should get me more of a handle on what is happening upstream and what >kind of a commitment would be ne

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Simon Hobson
On 9 Jan 2016, at 17:02, Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > 5 - have udev issue manual (admin-chosen) persistent names by mac address Which, IMO, is the most logical option. Lets face it, how often do people actually change hardware ? And when hardware is changed, it's a trivial task to do the one-o

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread shraptor
On 2016-01-09 19:17, Anto wrote: On the topic. It would be quite interesting how vdev will be (or is) managing this network interface naming assignment. Do you have any comment on this, Jude? vdev uses by default old naming convention but has a file called /etc/vdev/ifnames.conf where you can

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Anto
On 09/01/16 15:42, Steve Litt wrote: [snip] Seriously, now is the time for everybody to learn the ip command. It's ugly. It's poorly documented. But it's very, very powerful, and enables you do do just about anything in networking. SteveT Steve Litt January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight T

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Stephanie Daugherty
Having dealt with systems with half a dozen interfaces in the past there's a very small number of cases where it even matters, but when it does, it can be a huge inconvenience either way. Their (for once, rational) argument is that Interface names of existing interfaces should never change by addi

Re: [DNG] kbd, init curtain call in Debian

2016-01-09 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 09/01/16 03:23 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote: On 09/01/16 21:15, Jaromil wrote: dear Clarke, thanks for the notice On Fri, 08 Jan 2016, Clarke Sideroad wrote: It looks like the choice loss and changes creep on. It popped up on my sid/ceres/no-systemd box today: kbd (2.0.3-2) unstab

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread dev1fanboy
It sounds like a good idea in theory, but I see no reason eth0, eth1, wlan0, wlan1, etc should change. It could be as simple as deciding which of those to use based on some information from the device in the case there is more than one NIC. Changing that for no good reason is clearly a bad idea.

[DNG] Debian is going ahead with non-free-firmware

2016-01-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
Just got this on the debian-boot list. It may affect our operations, though probably not severely. -- hendrik On Sat, Jan 09, 2016 at 11:51:08AM +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > Hi, > > I think there was consensus to introduce the non-free-firmware section > and move the non-free firmware blob

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Marlon Nunes
On 2016-01-09 11:42, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:41:27 +0100 Anto wrote: [snip] [snip] First of all, some of the most anti-systemd distros, like Void and Gentoo and Funtoo, use the new naming convention. Second, once you really know the new ip command (and forget the old ifconfig

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:41:27 +0100 Anto wrote: [snip] > It turned out that the eth0 interface was changed to ens3, due to the > implementation of Predictable Network Interface Names > (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames). > > I can change everyth

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What's new in Systemd

2016-01-09 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 02.02.2015 22:04, Vlad wrote: > If systemd is the Borg I propose the first release of Devuan be named S8472. Yeah, and if we take out some pieces, we call them Hugh, Annika, Naomi, Axum, etc. Contributions to other packages or even distros could run on the title Unimatrix Zero. --mtx -- En

Re: [DNG] [Dng] [OT] ISIL (was Re: What's new in Systemd)

2016-01-09 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 05.02.2015 11:42, Gravis wrote: > please, let's not include terrorists or their ideologies in our conversations. terrorist or freedoms fighter ? --mtx -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consulting +49-151-27565287 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org ht

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What's new in Systemd

2016-01-09 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 02.02.2015 16:22, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Is not ISIL a better analogy? s/ISIL/NATO; --mtx -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consulting +49-151-27565287 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What's new in Systemd

2016-01-09 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 02.02.2015 15:56, Ricardo LarraƱaga wrote: > Take a look at the third page and see what Lennart compares systemd to > (For those that dont feel like. It's Start Trek's Captain Piccard as a > borgand then tux as a borg.) > https://rhsummit.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/summit_demystifying_

Re: [DNG] [Dng] libsysdev preview

2016-01-09 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 22.01.2015 17:05, Jude Nelson wrote: Hi folks, > libdevq is FreeBSD-specific, How FreeBSD-specific is it exactly ? Could it be ported to Linux ? I'm currently looking for a some helper library that finds/enumerate input devices (mice, touchpads, etc). Is there anything (non-systemd- crap) fo

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Noel Torres
On Saturday, 9 de January de 2016 11:41:27 Anto escribiĆ³: > Hello Everybody, > > I have just rented a KVM VPS. I started with Debian squeeze, pin > everything related to systemd to -1, then upgraded to Debian wheezy. > After I upgraded udev to version 220 using eudev, I could not connect to > my V

[DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Anto
Hello Everybody, I have just rented a KVM VPS. I started with Debian squeeze, pin everything related to systemd to -1, then upgraded to Debian wheezy. After I upgraded udev to version 220 using eudev, I could not connect to my VPS any more after reboot. This has never happened on my other VPS'

Re: [DNG] netman-autostart_0.1.1

2016-01-09 Thread aitor_czr
Hi all, On 01/09/2016 09:32 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: I apologise even though my previous posts were not intended to offend or humiliate. As a coder supporting Devuan, my first preoccupation is to get code to do what it is intended for. I am giving support by coding to Devuan in my now very lim

Re: [DNG] netman-autostart_0.1.1

2016-01-09 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi All, I apologise even though my previous posts were not intended to offend or humiliate. As a coder supporting Devuan, my first preoccupation is to get code to do what it is intended for. I am giving support by coding to Devuan in my now very limited free time. Since .desktop files are not us

Re: [DNG] kbd, init curtain call in Debian

2016-01-09 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 09/01/16 21:15, Jaromil wrote: > > dear Clarke, > > thanks for the notice > > On Fri, 08 Jan 2016, Clarke Sideroad wrote: > >>It looks like the choice loss and changes creep on. >>It popped up on my sid/ceres/no-systemd box today: >> >> kbd (2.0.3-2) unstable; urgency=medium >> >>

Re: [DNG] kbd, init curtain call in Debian

2016-01-09 Thread Jaromil
dear Clarke, thanks for the notice On Fri, 08 Jan 2016, Clarke Sideroad wrote: >It looks like the choice loss and changes creep on. >It popped up on my sid/ceres/no-systemd box today: > > kbd (2.0.3-2) unstable; urgency=medium > >The kbd init script is no longer supported. If con