On 05/01/16 08:10, Svante Signell wrote:
On Mon, 2016-01-04 at 20:43 +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
k...@aspodata.se writes:
chaosesquet...@cock.li:
I don't understand the desire to change it at all.
See UsrMerge discussion on debian-devel. They wan to move most stuff in / to
/usr and make it
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:53:00 +, hellekin wrote in message
<568aa36c.9010...@dyne.org>:
> On 01/04/2016 03:07 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> >>
> >> https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-03/issue-060
> >>
> >> tips about UUID's][2], Arnt Karlsen talked about the
On 05/01/16 10:45, Daniel Reurich wrote:
Update: I have raised an issue about no longer merging dmo. There are a
bunch of other reasons for removing it as well - but I won't discuss
them here.
Thank you very much for that.
Simon
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On 05/01/16 10:45, Daniel Reurich wrote:
On 05/01/16 11:33, Daniel Reurich wrote:
On 04/01/16 06:52, Go Linux wrote:
Why are you merging the debian, backports and dmo repos? Is there
a way to separate them? I have rarely used backports and always
downloaded what I need from dmo when I first i
chill...@use.startmail.com wrote on 01/04/2016 05:29 AM:
> # Devuan News Issue LX
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> In case you wondered, yes Devuan is alive and kicking. Devuan Weekly News
> hasn't released a
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Definitely
Nate Bargmann wrote on 01/04/2016 09:48 AM:
> SD now includes a replacement for running ntp/ntpdate to synchronize
> time so that is being absorbed. It's probably a wash and low on most
> desktop users list, but one more example of SD becoming your complete
> middleware system!
Anyone have an up-
So I've been thinking more about this as to why?
It is quite obvious that it is driven by Redhat to be the same as Oracle
Solaris, they say as much.
The base reason I can see is part of a marketing job showing the
apparent ease of change when trying to sell Redhat servers to replace
Oracle Server
>
> But do any of you find useful to have PAM? Do any of you need
> single-sign-on,
> TPM, smart-cards that unlock ttys, integrate kerberos with linux, or the
> like?
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Le 04/01/2016 21:33, k...@aspodata.se a écrit :
If you have a desire to move /lib/modules why don't move it and
everything you need to boot to /boot.
I don't want to move anything. I just don't care. And I think it
has nothing to do with Systemd, except it comes in the same time.
Didie
Le 04/01/2016 18:33, Svante Signell a écrit :
On Mon, 2016-01-04 at 17:43 +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 04/01/2016 17:32, Svante Signell a écrit :
Just an idea: Would it be possible to detect the hardware of each computer
being installed on and after that install the needed modules? Preferably th
On 05/01/16 11:33, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 04/01/16 06:52, Go Linux wrote:
>> Why are you merging the debian, backports and dmo repos? Is there
>> a way to separate them? I have rarely used backports and always
>> downloaded what I need from dmo when I first install and then
>> disable it. d
On Mon, 1/4/16, Daniel Reurich wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Question about the merged repos
To: "Go Linux" , "dng@lists.dyne.org"
Date: Monday, January 4, 2016, 4:33 PM
On 04/01/16 06:52, Go Linux wrote:
> Why are you merging the debian, backports and dmo repos? Is there a
> way to separate
Good evening,
2016-01-04 21:43 GMT+01:00, Rainer Weikusat :
> k...@aspodata.se writes:
>> chaosesquet...@cock.li:
>>> I don't understand the desire to change it at all.
>>
>> And neither do I.
>> Except someone talked about ssl libs.
>
> Someone wrote about some PAM module which would require Open
On 04/01/16 06:52, Go Linux wrote:
> Why are you merging the debian, backports and dmo repos? Is there a
> way to separate them? I have rarely used backports and always
> downloaded what I need from dmo when I first install and then disable
> it. dmo can really break things if you're not careful
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 22:13:06 +0100 (CET), k...@aspodata.se wrote in
message <20160104211307.20a5d809d...@turkos.aspodata.se>:
> Rainer Weikusat:
> > k...@aspodata.se writes:
> > > chaosesquet...@cock.li:
> > >> I don't understand the desire to change it at all.
> > >
> > > And neither do I.
> > >
Am Montag, 4. Januar 2016 schrieb Mitt Green:
> I don't really understand, why a desktop environment
> depends on a initialisation system.
I'm sure M$ has a good answer to this question. And GNOME has a registry, too,
which is a very good thing to have, I was told ;-)
> GNOME3 is by the way a
Karl Hammar wrote:
>But then, /etc-less systems are thought about:
>[http://0pointer.net/blog/projects/stateles](http://0pointer.net/blog/projects/stateless.html)s.html
PulseAudio motto is "I'll break your audio",
Lennartd should be "I'll break your Unix".
What's next, I wonder. If they call it
Bryan Baldwin wrote:
>...does have dependencies on Gentoo's default init
>system, OpenRC, and some other bits and
>pieces.
I don't really understand, why a desktop environment
depends on a initialisation system.
>But, if there were a desire within Devuan
>to package GNOME 3, this could be a good
Rainer Weikusat:
> k...@aspodata.se writes:
> > chaosesquet...@cock.li:
> >> I don't understand the desire to change it at all.
> >
> > And neither do I.
> > Except someone talked about ssl libs.
>
> Someone wrote about some PAM module which would require OpenSSL. No such
> PAM module currently ex
On Mon, 2016-01-04 at 20:43 +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> k...@aspodata.se writes:
> > chaosesquet...@cock.li:
> > > I don't understand the desire to change it at all.
See UsrMerge discussion on debian-devel. They wan to move most stuff in / to
/usr and make it readonly. (The only sensible motiv
On 01/05/2016 06:26 AM, Mitt Green wrote:
> Yours truly wrote:
>
> >I think that Gentoo people (and Funtoo) don't experience problems we
> have, like
> >patches, messed and missed dependencies that change over and over;
> >I mean, their packaging system is simpler.
>
> Most of the time the problem
k...@aspodata.se writes:
> chaosesquet...@cock.li:
>> I don't understand the desire to change it at all.
>
> And neither do I.
> Except someone talked about ssl libs.
Someone wrote about some PAM module which would require OpenSSL. No such
PAM module currently exists on my system and I don't quite
chaosesquet...@cock.li:
> I don't understand the desire to change it at all.
And neither do I.
Except someone talked about ssl libs.
> On 2016-01-04 16:43, Didier Kryn wrote:
...
> > I don't understand the repulsion towards having the modules in
> > /usr/lib. What difference does it make? Non
I don't understand the desire to change it at all.
We know where the kern modules are now, we've known for over a decade,
just leave it as it was.
If systemd wasn't, this wouldn't be talked about.
Which is why it shouldn't be discussed.
Don't let them pull you by the nose.
At all.
On 2016-01-0
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On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 17:32:26 +0100
Svante Signell wrote:
> Just an idea: Would it be possible to detect the hardware of each
> computer being installed on and after that install the needed
> modules?
IIUC, exactly this hardware detection is already happening. Regarding the
installation of the
On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 01:22:01 +1100, Simon Wise wrote:
> On 05/01/16 00:31, Irrwahn wrote:
[ About mixing packages from Debian and Deb-Multimedia. ]
[...]
> If you only used audio from dmo it was generally ok, but they do not cover a
> lot
> of audio needs.
I guess I have just been lucky then,
[Sorry, Golinux, replied to you directly by accident,
post was intended to go to the list.]
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:53:39 + (UTC), Go Linux wrote:
> On Mon, 1/4/16, Irrwahn wrote:
>> How do you receive updates and security fixes?
>
> I generally don't. 'If it works, don't fix it' especially
Svante Signell writes:
> On Mon, 2016-01-04 at 17:43 +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
>> Le 04/01/2016 17:32, Svante Signell a écrit :
>
>> Just an idea: Would it be possible to detect the hardware of each computer
>> being installed on and after that install the needed modules? Preferably the
>> modules
Simon Wise wrote:
>There was a very aggressive push to drop the GNU from the GNU/linux name some
>time ago, it was fairly successful. But of course android/linux is just as much
>linux as any other system with linux as the kernel (and because of that I can
>compile a suitable busybox, put it in th
On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 05:32:26PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
[cut]
>
> Just an idea: Would it be possible to detect the hardware of each computer
> being
> installed on and after that install the needed modules? Preferably the modules
> should not be located on /usr, currently they are under
On Mon, 2016-01-04 at 17:43 +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 04/01/2016 17:32, Svante Signell a écrit :
> Just an idea: Would it be possible to detect the hardware of each computer
> being installed on and after that install the needed modules? Preferably the
> modules should not be located on /usr,
Yours truly wrote:
>I think that Gentoo people (and Funtoo) don't experience problems we have, like
>patches, messed and missed dependencies that change over and over;
>I mean, their packaging system is simpler.
Most of the time the problem is package maintainers that use horrible
dependencies,
Bryan Baldwin wrote:
>Gentoo lovers have already been using this patchset to keep GNOME 3
>systemd-less.
>It would be great to get an even larger part of the systemd-free community
>behind this project.
>I'd love to see Devuan GNOME 3 packages :)
I think that Gentoo people (and Funtoo) don't exp
On Mon, 1/4/16, Irrwahn wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Question about the merged repos
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Monday, January 4, 2016, 7:31 AM
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 17:52:48 + (UTC), Go Linux wrote:
>>
> Why are you merging the debian, backports and dmo repos? Is there a way to
> separ
On 01/04/2016 03:07 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>>
>> https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-03/issue-060
>>
>> tips about UUID's][2], Arnt Karlsen talked about the [purpose of
>
> ..er, I did not, I asked the (I believe timely) question
> "..where did the "/media t
At dyne.org we are just setting up an office room for video tutorials
and the dedicated computer is running vokoscreen. Worthed mentioning,
works well on Devuan! and is packaged, yet the upstream version is more
recent http://www.kohaupt-online.de/hp/
ciao
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On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 01:24:02AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
[cut]
> Ok.. perhaps this thread explains it:
>
> https://lists.debian.org/deity/2009/08/msg00073.html
>
> the gist is, they've been moved to translations even for english... we
> don't yet have the translation support in our repo.
Le 04/01/2016 17:32, Svante Signell a écrit :
On Mon, 2016-01-04 at 16:53 +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 04/01/2016 16:26, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
I meant
4) Let the installer build the kernel, depending on what the hardware
and
file systems being installed actually need.
Maybe Gentoo does
On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 05:28:07 -0600, vmlinux wrote in message
<13298612-ee2c-461a-856f-964d689dc...@charter.net>:
> After reading Steve's post about Statifier I got to thinking; where
> is a good desktop recording for Linux ?
..systemd? ;o)
..define "good." ;o)
..aaand, there are standards to
Nate Bargmann writes:
> SD now includes a replacement for running ntp/ntpdate to synchronize
> time so that is being absorbed.
According to information 'from the internet', that's an SNTP client and
While a full featured NTP server or -client reaches a very high
level of accuracy
On Mon, 2016-01-04 at 16:53 +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 04/01/2016 16:26, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
> > I meant
> > > > 4) Let the installer build the kernel, depending on what the hardware
> > > > and
> > > > file systems being installed actually need.
>
> Maybe Gentoo does this, although I'
Le 04/01/2016 16:26, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
I meant
>4) Let the installer build the kernel, depending on what the hardware and
>file systems being installed actually need.
Maybe Gentoo does this, although I'm not sure, but the philosophy
is very different: they compile everything from sou
SD now includes a replacement for running ntp/ntpdate to synchronize
time so that is being absorbed. It's probably a wash and low on most
desktop users list, but one more example of SD becoming your complete
middleware system!
- Nate
--
"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
p
Steve Litt writes:
[...]
> 3) Compile ext4 and only the most common hard drive and SSD drivers
>into a separate and optional kernel that doesn't call an
>initramfs, but merely runs an rc file as an init. That rc file
>does nothing but get all the drives mounted and then exec the
>
On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 10:10:34AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 02:01:32AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > But there's a third option, that could be offered as a non-default
> > choice:
> >
> > 3) Compile ext4 and only the most common hard drive and SSD drivers
> >int
Le 04/01/2016 15:29, Haines Brown a écrit :
On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 02:43:57PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
...
We are discovering day after day that "init freedom" is about
the emerged part of the iceberg. Debian still pretends to offer init
freedom. What is under the sea level is a whole mon
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 11:29:34 -, chill...@use.startmail.com wrote in
message <7ece505dfe773438d59e85b68f9a7b45.startm...@www.startmail.com>:
> # Devuan News Issue LX
>
> __Volume 03, Week 1, Devuan Week 60__
>
> Released 12016/1/04
>
> https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-news/wikis/p
On 05/01/16 00:43, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 04/01/2016 12:29, chill...@use.startmail.com a écrit :
Aside from the growing strength of the community, we have seen significant
progress towards init freedom in Devuan and the approaching beta release.
Important init freedom issues have been solved, a
On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 02:01:32AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> But there's a third option, that could be offered as a non-default
> choice:
>
> 3) Compile ext4 and only the most common hard drive and SSD drivers
>into a separate and optional kernel that doesn't call an
>initramfs, but me
On Mon, 2016-01-04 at 09:29 -0500, Haines Brown wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 02:43:57PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> > ...
> > We are discovering day after day that "init freedom" is about
> > the emerged part of the iceberg. Debian still pretends to offer init
> > freedom. What is under the
On 05/01/16 00:31, Irrwahn wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 17:52:48 + (UTC), Go Linux wrote:
Why are you merging the debian, backports and dmo repos? Is there a way to
separate them? I have rarely used backports and always downloaded what I need
from dmo when I first install and then disable
On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 02:43:57PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> ...
> We are discovering day after day that "init freedom" is about
> the emerged part of the iceberg. Debian still pretends to offer init
> freedom. What is under the sea level is a whole monolithic operating
> system absorbing all
Le 04/01/2016 12:29, chill...@use.startmail.com a écrit :
# Devuan News Issue LX
__Volume 03, Week 1, Devuan Week 60__
Released 12016/1/04
https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-03/issue-060
## Editorial
Happy new year from the Devuan news team!
In case y
[DISCLAIMER: I'm using Devuan testing (ascii), thus my
comments might not be apply to other versions, jessie in
particular! (Which is BTW one reason I try to keep
silent on DNG, to not disturb the jessie release process.
But since no-one has replied to this post so far ...]
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016
Micky Del Favero writes:
> Daniel Reurich writes:
>
>> So the potteringisation continues...
>
> If I remember well Solaris has /bin linked to /usr/bin since many years,
> so linking /bin to /usr/bin is not a poetteringisation, or almost it's
> not an original idea of poettering.
Sun/ Oracle don'
# Devuan News Issue LX
__Volume 03, Week 1, Devuan Week 60__
Released 12016/1/04
https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-03/issue-060
## Editorial
Happy new year from the Devuan news team!
In case you wondered, yes Devuan is alive and kicking. Devuan Weekly
On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 02:57:58AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
[cut]
>
> Thanks Joel,
>
> With my particular skillset, I'd envision my involvement to be more of
> documentation somewhat like the Manjaro Experiments
> (http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/init/manjaro_experiments.htm).
> With a des
Le 04/01/2016 07:22, Steve Litt a écrit :
If you didn't merge /lib and /usr/lib, you could load them from /lib
once the root partition was mounted. This was my entire point.
OK. I think I got it. Sorry, I was slow. So this is the case:
- No initramfs, direct boot to the final rootfs (m
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